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Placename changes and Misplaced Pages policy

Please see the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Bangladesh/Archive 7#Placename changes and Misplaced Pages policy to understand why Misplaced Pages uses the spellings it does. The most recent discussion of "Chittagong" vs. "Chattogram" was at Talk:Chittagong#Requested move 28 August 2024, where the consensus was to continue using "Chittagong" for now. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at Akhaura–Laksam–Chittagong line, you may be blocked from editing. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

In 2018, the government of Bangladesh has changed the English spellings of five districts to make them sound similar to the Bangla alphabet.

The new spellings are Chattogram (for Chittagong), Barishal (for Barisal), Cumilla (for Comilla), Jashore (for Jessore) and Bogura (for Bogra).

“Spellings of some districts date back to the British era. They needed to be changed,” he told reporters.

Source: https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/bangladesh-changes-english-spellings-of-five-districts MŞ46 (talk) 08:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

The government of Bangladesh can decide how the government of Bangladesh will spell place names. Misplaced Pages, however, is not part of the government of Bangladesh.

Policy Misplaced Pages:Article titles states under WP:COMMONNAME:

Misplaced Pages does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources).

Misplaced Pages uses the spellings it does (Chittagong, Barisal, Comilla, Jessore, and Bogra) because they are the most commonly used ones. Since the official spellings were changed six years ago, the new spellings have gradually gained ground. Someday they may become the most commonly used spellings. Anyone who believes they are now the most commonly used spellings is welcome to make that argument and seek a new consensus (but the most recent discussion was less than six months ago).

Guideline Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names) explains in depth how to choose among names, including an entire section on establishing a widely accepted name. A few quick observations:

• Both Banglapedia: The National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh and Encyclopædia Britannica still use the old spellings.
• A new edition of the Times Atlas of the World was published in 2023. If you like, I can try to get hold of a copy and see what it says.
• The National Geographic Society's May 2020 map, "Asia's Vital Rivers", their most recent one I could find on which one of these cities appears, uses Chittagong.
• Some national newspapers now use the new spellings, others still use the old spellings. Uptake internationally has probably been slower and spottier.

Google ngram viewer is of limited value for various reasons, but can give one an idea of how common the two spellings have been.

--Worldbruce (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

কথাগুলো যুক্তিকর। তবে নতুন প্রজন্ম সংশোধিত ইংরেজি নামগুলো ব্যবহার করছে।

চট্টগ্রামের অনেকগুলো নাম রয়েছে যার মধ্যে একটি চিটাগাং। আর অন্যদিকে বগুড়ার পূর্বের নাম বগড়া। তাই ইংরেজিতে Bogra শব্দটি একদিক হতে ব্যবহার করা যায়ই

কিন্তু ব্রিটিশরা যশোর, কুমিল্লা, বরিশাল শব্দগুলো সঠিক উচ্চারণ করতে পারতো না। তারা যশোরকে “যেসো” উচ্চারণ করতে পারতো বলে তাদের এই ভুল উচ্চারণের সাথে মিল রেখে ইংরেজিতে যশোরের নামটি Jessore রাখে। একইভাবে কুমিল্লাকে “কমিল্লা” আর বরিশালকে “বেরিসাল” উচ্চারণ করতো এবং এগুলোর ইংরেজি নামগুলোও ভুল লিখতো।

শুধু উপরিক্ত ৩টি নাম না শুধু। ব্রিটিশরা Calcutta, Dacca এই দুটি নামও ইংরেজি ভুল রাখে। কিন্তু পরিবর্তীতে ব্রিটিশরা চলে গেলে। এই দুই বড়শহরের নাম বাংলা উচ্চারণের সাথে মিল রেখে সংশোধন করা হয়। বর্তমানে সবাই এই সংশোধিত নামগুলোর সাথে মানিয়ে নিয়েছে।

সুতারাং আপনি উইকিপিডিয়াতে চট্টগ্রামকে ইংরেজিতে চিটাগাং বলুন, লিখুন এতে কোনো বিরোধিতা নেই আমার। তবে যশোর, কুমিল্লা, বরিশাল এদেরইংরেজি নামগুলো এখনও পর্যন্ত ভুল নামে নিবন্ধ করা আছে উইকিপিডিয়াতে তা নিয়ে প্রতিবাদ জানালাম। ধন্যবাদ! MŞ46 (talk) 08:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The spelling that is right on Misplaced Pages is not necessarily the most phonetic spelling (for example, Munich or Cologne). Nor is it what any government says is official. Nor is it what any particular generation in any particular place is using.

The most common spellings in English remain Barisal, Bogra, Chittagong, Comilla, and Jessore. Spellings of place names do evolve, as you observed with Calcutta becoming Kolkata and Dacca becoming Dhaka. Those changes can take years, even decades, to become the most commonly used spellings (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources). Barishal, Bogura, Chattogram, Cumilla, and Jashore may in time become the most common spellings, but you have presented no evidence that that has happened yet. I've noted above some of the places you should look for such evidence - other encyclopedias, atlases, gazetteers, etc.

You can also keep an eye on Google ngrams.

Until there is a new consensus among editors that the most common spellings have changed, any changes you make to these spellings will be reverted, and if you continue to disrupt the encyclopedia by changing them, you are likely to be blocked from editing. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Two tips on communicating

Y If you want another editor to see something you write on a talk page other than theirs, notify them of your post. Perhaps the simplest of the many ways to do so is to use the {{Reply to}} template. The general format is:

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Y I noticed that you have posted comments here in Bengali. At the English-language Misplaced Pages, we try to use English for all comments. Posting all comments in English makes it easier for other editors to join the conversation and help you. I will respond above, but most other editors do not speak Bengali. If you cannot avoid using another language, then please provide a translation into English, if you can.

If you cannot communicate in English, then you may find it difficult to understand the rules here, and difficult to work collaboratively here - particularly on questions of what spellings are most common in English. Some editors who are not fluent in English find narrow areas in which they can contribute without speaking the language, such as categories, links, or images. Generally, however, editors who are not comfortable in English are advised: go to the list of Wikipedias, look in the list for a Misplaced Pages that is in your language, and edit there instead of here. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)