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Merging and improvement of PSA articles

I've merged Professional Skaters Guild of America and American Skaters Guild to Professional Skaters Association, as I believe that the renamings (edit: referring to the guilds renaming, not the Misplaced Pages articles) do not come with any significant change in purpose or function. i'd really appreciate the community's opinion on the merge. In addition, the new article would really benefit from the review of someone more knowledgeable about figure skating. In particular, the first two sections have very few citations, and the statements that are sourced rely on physical publications which don't seem to have been archived. I would really appreciate if someone who has access to older Guild materials could verify existing citations, and potentially add some. JarJarInks (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@JarJarInks, I think the merge is fine. The problem is that the More citations needed templates that appeared on both versions are even more glaring now, which could be a problem going forward. I suggest that someone (not me, I don't have either the time or the inclination) should do some more research and find more sources to support all its claims. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

U.S. Figure Skating Championships

I’m done arguing with this guy over at U.S. Figure Skating Championships and Template:U.S. Figure Skating Championships. Would uninvolved editors please take a look and chime in. Other nations’ national championships do not feature rowspan like this and I’m sorry to have introduced it in the first place. Additionally, unless there is some reason why a competition was not held in a particular year (like major events like WWI or WWII), then there is zero reason to include it. It just clutters up with the tables and templates with pointless garbage. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

With the template, 2026 should not be introduced yet. Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. As for the US Figure Skating charts... tennis has pages with and without a player in every row. I actually think it is easier to follow with only a single name over multiple years. It takes less coding and it is easier to see blocks of dominance. As for the missing year, tennis always includes those missing years in grey. And there was a reason many sports got canceled or shortened in 1919... the Spanish Flu Pandemic! Quarantines, fear, difficulty planning... all these were because of the pandemic and still some war recovery. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Notability guidelines

I don't understand why participation in a World Championships is not included on WP:NSKATE. And even a national championships medal is not. I remember when people created articles for everyone who had advanced to the free skate in the worlds and even in the junior worlds. Many such articles exist for 10–15 years or more and are reasonably developed. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I suggest we change the notability guideline. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm writing this because of a user named Bgsu98 (I hope the ping goes through) who decided to mass-delete articles that don't comply with WP:NSKATE. He doesn't seem to even google a bit and check compliance with WP:GNG. I am sure most articles he deleted had the right to stay per WP:GNG. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Please provide evidence where I have unilaterally mass-deleted anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I meant "mass nominated for deletion". --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

And again, you wrote that I "deleted" anything, and argued that they "had the right to stay", despite the fact that the community decided through the AFD process that they did not meet notability guidelines. Your bad-faith accusations of malfeasance show a gross ignorance of the deletion processes here. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Even the admins have noticed that you were mass-nominating articles for deletion with a little consideration. (Doczilla noted that at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas.)
Also, you must understand that there are a very few people here on Wiki that are willing to spend their precious time on checking a random skater for notability. Most people rely on the nominator's competence and just blindly vote "delete", "delete".
P.S. This is not a game. If you nominate articles without actually checking them for notability, you harm Misplaced Pages and its readers. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, if you may notice, I didn't start this discussion to attack you. I'm proposing to change WP:NSKATE to be more in line with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability or other guidelines the creators of figure skater articles may have acted upon back in 2010–2015. Cause many of these articles have something like "He advanced to the free skate at the 2005 World Junior Figure Skating Championships" in the lead. Also, I don't understand why the guidelines don't include Grand Prix participation. At least for some other sports, a simple participation in that sport's Grand Prix series is enough. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

But it is the same thing cause random people at AfD don't care about actually checking the notability and just vote "delete per nom". --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

This page's daily views count is in single digits. So I guess I will be talking only to Bgsu98... --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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