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January 6

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Arab Nationalist Movement breakaway groups

• Propose renaming Category:Arab Nationalist Movement breakaway groups to Category:Offshoots of the Arab Nationalist Movement

Nominator's rationale: This is a more accurate description as many of these groups emerged after the dissolution of the Arab Nationalist Movement. Charles Essie (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Croatian Figure Skating Championships

• Propose deleting Category:Croatian Figure Skating Championships (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. This is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:OFC Champions League participants seasons

• Propose deleting Category:OFC Champions League participants seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:2001 OFC Club Championship participants seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:2005 OFC Club Championship participants seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Propose deleting Category:2024 OFC Champions League participants seasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Came across these while preparing some speedy renames. In the OFC region, season articles are very uncommon, and each of these only has a single page. It seems that season articles only get created for the winners, if even then. Growth of these categories is unlikely, and the contents also duplicate the contents of Category:OFC Champions League–winning seasons (otherwise, an upmerge might be a decent alternative). No opposition to recreating if more pages get created, but right now these seem to be WP:OVERLAPPINGCAT. If future recreation seems prudent, I'm listing the contents below to re-add the current contents: 2001 has 2000–01 Wollongong Wolves FC season, 2005 has 2005–06 Sydney FC season, 2024 has 2024 Auckland City FC season. - 2pou (talk) 20:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Shouldn't they be upmerged to their parent categories? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  I thought of upmerging the latter three to OFC Champions League participants seasons, but that still seemed redundant to the Category:OFC Champions League–winning seasons without any non-winning season articles out there. Upmerging further to Category:OFC Champions League did not seem beneficial since the category mentioned is already a subcategory there. -2pou (talk) 22:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

States and territories (dis)established in YYYY

• Propose changing all subcategories of Category:States and territories by year of establishment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose changing all subcategories of Category:States and territories by year of disestablishment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• See rationale and later comment for more detail

Nominator's rationale: Almost all of the articles in these categories do not meet the definition of the category: "states and territories (dis)established in the year YYYY". My understanding is that these categories should only include sovereign states (e.g. Italy) and dependent territories (e.g. Guam). Most of the articles in these categories are actually varying levels of administrative divisions.

I propose merging these categories to be by decade rather than by year: new countries/territories are far from an annual occurence.

Furthermore, I think new categories could be created for 1st level subdivisions ("First-level administrative divisions (dis)established in YYYY") as this is more of an annual occurence; then articles such as Alaska and Emirate of Dubai would be in the correct categories. This could also go on to 2nd level subdivisions, but I don't have an opinion on whether or not this should happen.

The vast majority of articles in these categories are lower level subdivisions or even single settlements and should really be in "Populated places (dis)established in YYYY". I would be happy to go through and correct this if others agree. These changes would make it a lot easier for readers to use these categories, especially because having countries mixed in with towns and provinces (for example) all under the same name is quite confusing. harrz 20:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Who defined the categories to only include sovereign states, and what would be the purpose of a category of such limited use? It would make the category tree practically useless. Dimadick (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  The description automatically added by {{state est cat}} (which is used on all of these categories) has a link to the sovereign state article, which is where I got that definition from. And like I said, by expanding the scope of the categories to the decades then they would have more use. harrz 21:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I disagree. Those categories are really useful, and should stay. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  I agree that they are very useful, and I am not proposing that they be removed altogether. However, by combining all sorts of very different geopolitical divisions into one category they become less useful and more confusing for readers to use. That's why I am proposing separate categories for different levels of subdivisions. harrz 21:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Alternative solution could also simplbe to to renamte the categories to "States, territories, and administrative subdivisions established in XYZ"

• Oppose rationale, a "sovereign state" is a modern concept, in the past things weren't that clear. E.g. was a duchy in the Holy Roman Empire a sovereign state? Nobody can tell. By the way, I am not against merging year categories to decade categories, but that is a whole different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: It is not easy to define a sovereign state thus some flexibility should be allowed. TheBritinator (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with this, however there is a limit to the flexibility we can have. For example, I really don't think a random municipality in Poland counts as a state or territory. Either way, there needs to be some more clarity with these categories as some of the things included in them just don't make sense. harrz 23:39, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Harrz: A lot of this nomination is broken — many entries are Template:Lc and none have a merge target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I am aware of this; I am not sure how to fix it but I believe it is an issue to do with template limits as this nomination includes >1000 categories. I used the mass CfD tool to make this nom and wasn't fully sure what to put it as (merge etc.) but I tried to explain what my proposal was in my rationale. harrz 23:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep The establishment of Maine as a separate state in 1820 is certainly as significant as the US annexation of Guam in 1898. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment from nominator I feel like I might have made some of the details of this discussion unclear. The main thing that I'm proposing is separate categories for different levels of geopolitical entities. For example, a category for countries (could be by decade instead) which can include dependent territories (e.g. the USA), a separate category for first-level administrative divisions (e.g. American states), and maybe more for second-level subdivisions and beyond - although I think by this point it would be better to put them in the more simple populated place categories (e.g. Category:Populated places established in 2025) where most small subdivisions currently are. harrz 23:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Misplaced Pages oversighters

• Propose deleting Category:Misplaced Pages oversighters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Misplaced Pages checkusers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is redundant to Special:Users, which is automatically maintained and is up to date at all times. The users involved were not asked nor did they consent to being placed in this category, and some of the pages that have been included do not fit into the category (e.g., User:Deskana/Userboxes/oversight since). Deskana has not been an oversighter for many years, and their name should not be included in this category, even peripherally. The category is not maintained, and it is poor use of editor time to maintain a redundant category. Risker (talk) 03:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

NOTE: This category was created before the Single User Login (SUL) conversion, and may have made sense at the time, but has now been supplanted by Special:Users. Risker (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Combined the 2 nominations. Courtesy ping to Risker. - jc37 20:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. It contains editors who are not oversighters (e.g. Deskana) and doesn't contain some editors who are (e.g. me). Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• This category is filled by at least top icons and likely also user boxes. Errors of incorrect inclusion should be corrected instead of used as examples IMO.... Izno (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - If these are deleted per redundancy with Special:Users, I think that there should be a follow-up nom (or add to this one) of most of the cats in Category:Wikipedians by Misplaced Pages user access level, except maybe Stewards and the global ones, since they are off-wiki. - jc37 20:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Won't disagree with you, Jc37. I just focused on the two that were most obviously useless. Should consensus be that they are deleted, then it clears the way for similar actions relating to other parallel categories. Risker (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  Absolutely. And these go against a fundamental long-standing convention of user categories at CFD: "We should never (even unintentionally) mis-categorize Wikipedians". - jc37 20:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think there is a danger of overreacting here. The logical outcome of that absolutist and fundamentalist approach would be to remove user categories from all user boxes and topicons, in case they become out of date. I prefer Izno's approach, that such user templates should be removed when no longer appropriate. If admins are still given {{administrator}} when appointed, then updating categorisation in this way could be standard practice for some other user access levels. – Fayenatic London 11:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  Fayenatic london, why do we want categories that are knowingly and deliberately incomplete? It is completely inappropriate to add topicons, userboxes, or categories to anyone's userpage. (It's okay to remove the topicons and categories when they no longer apply, but userboxes? That's getting pretty much into the weeds there.) But right now, these are unmaintained categories that have been supplanted by the up-to-date and correct Special:Users and are essentially useless. Nobody who's trying to find a checkuser or oversighter should be checking the category; they need to be directed to the places where there's a proper, current list of holders of those permissions. Risker (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  why do we want categories that are knowingly and deliberately incomplete We give wide latitude to users to decide how they wish to appear in categories. That extends even to user groups, and largely always has. We have complementary categories for every user right, and I'm really struggling to see what the harm is in an incomplete list. (And have already ceded that these should be removed from the pages where they are no longer appropriate.)

  This seems to be a WP:CLN type problem to me. Different people have different ways of navigating, and we have different ways of organizing information with each type. And on top of that, different scripts which add supplementary information in different locations. The categories are helpful in this anyway because they already expose the more complete list, and give people who are familiar with categories a place to go when they're looking at a specific user page. Or coming from the other direction, down from "Misplaced Pages user groups", from which they may have navigated elsewise. Izno (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Risker: why do we want mouldy fish for Christmas? I expressed no opinion on the two nominated categories. I'm just concerned about the direction of travel of the "absolutely" and "fundamental" comments by Jc37, which inter alia would terminate the use of the usercategory parameter in user boxes, because they miscategorise Wikipedians (e.g inactive users as participants). Your last half-sentence is more sensible, so I have acted on it and added a link with instructions at Category:Wikipedians by Misplaced Pages user access level. As for Cyberpower678's edit to my user page after RfA, I took no exception to it, and am surprised that you find it completely inappropriate. I assumed that it was standard practice, and that the topicon was populating Misplaced Pages administrators, but it appears that I was mistaken on both those counts; the category for administrators is incomplete with 662, and there are only 802 direct transclusions of the topicon, compared to well over 800 admins per Special:Users. – Fayenatic London 17:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  There's a difference here. "This user likes baseball" is reliant only on the user's preference. "This user is checkuser" can change without the user being involved (due to removal due to inactivity or whatever). So in the first case, if they go inactive, the userbox is still applicable. In the second, it's not.

  And yes: "We should not miscategorize Wikipedians" has long been foundation to take into consideration at CfD. (Similar to, we should never miscategorize articles about people.) We should never merge Wikipedians into an inapplicable category, for example, merely to make the name "better" per a cfd discussion. So in those cases, we delete the cat and allow for Wikipedians to decide for themselves if they should belong to a category of a new name. We should not be deciding for them.

  Anyway, in this case, it's simple: categories are about navigation. Having these is a disservice to those looking for a CU or OS editor. Add a link (with an explanation) to Special:Users, at the top of the parent cat, and call it good. - jc37 21:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per my comments. Izno (talk) 17:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

  See, here's my issue. I don't want to have any categories. I do, however, like having the topicons. Unfortunately, the code for these categories seems to be completely dependent on the topicons. If the two were divorced, I'd be more or less happy. I just don't want to be forced into a category (and have categories cluttering my userpage) just because I have a topicon. The two should not be interdependent. Once upon a time, this sort of made sense. It stopped making sense by the time SUL was complete and the Special:Users page became easily sortable for all types of user groups. If people want to be in the category, they should be free to put themselves in the category; however, it's not reasonable to force people into the category because they have appropriate topicons. Risker (talk) 06:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, the idea of having these categories are a leftover relic of times gone by. And, as you note, wiki software has removed the need for them. - jc37 20:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  |nocat= is routinely provided for user boxes, I see no reason it can't be provided by top icons as well. Izno (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  These templates (and {{top icon}}) have had it for more than a decade. — JJMC89 (T·C) 22:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  For any that don't, there's always {{Suppress categories|...}}. SilverLocust 💬 03:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The presence of a category here is inherently misleading. And besides that there's little reason besides curiosity to browse the list of checkusers or oversighters - if you want the attention of a checkuser use {{Checkuser needed}}, if you want something oversighted follow one of the approved processes at Misplaced Pages:Oversight. In neither case is it helpful to broadcast. Pppery (alt) (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
• I agree with Izno; keep and fix any errant uses of the categories. The potential for misuse of a category is not a reason for deletion except in extreme cases (e.g. when it is most frequently used incorrectly), and this is not one of them. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion was originally closed as "keep" (see Special:Permalink/1267661114), but I reverted my closure in response to concerns.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJP_Master (she/they) 20:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedians by defunct WikiProject

• Propose deleting

  Category:WikiProject Conflict Resolution participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Collections Care participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Classical Tamil participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Christian history participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Chad participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Boston Red Sox participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Bangladeshi Universities participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Backpacking participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Animals in media participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Alternative education participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Alternate History participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  Category:WikiProject Alien participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:UCFD/I#Wikipedians by defunct/non-existent project * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, these categories no longer serve a collaborative purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Films directed by Sam Taylor-Wood

• Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Sam Taylor-Wood to Category:Films directed by Sam Taylor-Johnson

Nominator's rationale: C2D: Sam Taylor-Johnson. DoubleCross (‡) 15:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Redundant WPANIMATION categories

• Propose deleting Category:Template-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Portal-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Project-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:FM-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:File-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Category-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Disambig-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Draft-Class Animation articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant categories: All templates, categories, etc. are of NA importance to WP:ANIMATION. Delete all of them. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 15:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Pharmacy schools in Virginia

• Propose merging Category:Pharmacy schools in Virginia to Category:Pharmacy schools in the United States

Nominator's rationale: Category only contains 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 14:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment But the same can be said about all entries in Category:Pharmacy schools in the United States: the by-state subcategories are all very small. So we have to decide whether we keep all of them or upmerge all of them. Dealing with one in isolation does not make sense. Pichpich (talk) 15:10, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Better merge all state categories simultaneously, per Pichpich. Besides it should probably be a dual merge, also to Category:Medical and health organizations based in Virginia. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• @LibStar: would you be able/willing to expand this nomination? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Why don't you? LibStar (talk) 14:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Because there are a lot of siblings in Category:Pharmacy schools in the United States, and tagging them all seems unlikely to be helpful. Category:Pharmacy schools in California has ten members, and probably wouldn't be merged anywhere. I guess I was hoping someone else would make the decision about the cutoff to include in this discussion; perhaps Marcocapelle has a threshold in mind? In that case, I can relist and tag the categories. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JJP_Master (she/they) 15:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:NA-Class amphibian and reptile articles of NA-importance

• Propose deleting Category:NA-Class amphibian and reptile articles of NA-importance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Has the same entries as Category:NA-Class amphibian and reptile pages, as all NA-class pages are automatically of NA-importance anyway. Comparable to (the much larger) deletion here. Fram (talk) 10:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Disasters in South America

• Propose upmerging Category:1730 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1730 in South America, Category:1730 disasters, and Category:1730s disasters in South America
• Propose upmerging Category:1737 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1737 in South America, Category:1737 disasters, and Category:1730s disasters in South America
• Propose upmerging Category:1746 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1746 in South America, Category:1746 disasters, and Category:1740s disasters in South America
• Propose upmerging Category:1751 disasters in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:1751 in South America, Category:1751 disasters, and Category:1750s disasters in South America

Nominator's rationale: These are the only pre-1800 by-year categories for South America. Given what's known about the history of the continent prior to 1800, I doubt these can ever be filled to a satisfactory level. Several of the post-1800 categories are equally small, but they can hypothetically be filled a little further given time. Grutness...wha? 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Merge, isolated single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Similar categories of other continents may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Leaders of Islamic terror groups

• Propose renaming: Category:Leaders of Islamic terror groups to Category:Leaders of Islamist militant groups

Nominator's rationale: Term "Islamic" terror not used by most RSs online and is near-absent in academia. Label would be contestable for most articles in category per WP:LABEL. "Islamist militant groups" is much more prominent term in WP:RSs used to refer to same entities. --OrebroVi (talk) 06:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename. Use of the word "terror" also reduces the neutrality of the category name. Grutness...wha? 11:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• The parent is called Category:Members of jihadist groups. Shouldn't the names of the two categories be aligned, one way or the other? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Canadian federal parliamentary election results by riding

• Propose renaming: Category:Canadian federal parliamentary election results by riding to Category:Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1867 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1867 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1872 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1872 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1874 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1874 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1878 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1878 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1882 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1882 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1887 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1887 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1891 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1891 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1896 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1896 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1900 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1900 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1904 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1904 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1908 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1908 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1911 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1911 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1917 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1917 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1921 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1921 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1925 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1925 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1926 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1926 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1930 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1930 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1935 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1935 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1940 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1940 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1945 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1945 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1949 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1949 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1953 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1953 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1957 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1957 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1958 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1958 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1962 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1962 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1963 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1963 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1965 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1965 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1968 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1968 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1972 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1972 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1974 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1974 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1979 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1979 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1980 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1980 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1984 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1984 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1988 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1988 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1993 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1993 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:1997 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:1997 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2000 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2000 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2004 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2004 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2006 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2006 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2008 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2008 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2011 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2011 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2015 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2015 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2019 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2019 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:2021 Canadian federal election results by riding to Category:2021 Canadian federal election results by riding templates
• Propose renaming: Category:Canadian federal by-election results by riding to Category:Canadian federal by-election results by riding templates

Nominator's rationale: These are template categories and should be named as such. RedBlueGreen93 06:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Works set on Mars

• Propose merging Category:Works set on Mars to Category:Fiction set on Mars

Nominator's rationale: Same rationale as for the Moon category below (see also Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space)). Per my analysis below, this might be restored in the near future once humans land on Mars and we can have non-fiction works documenting this set on Mars. Arguably, if there are notable works (documentaries) about robot (probles) exploration on Mars, this category could be argued to have merit now, but right now it does not have any relevant entries. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Merge for now per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Reverse Merge - both categories have subcats regarding film, for example. I don't disagree that there is duplication, but The fiction tree should be merged to the works tree. For example: The work on film may be fictional, but the film itself is not fictional. - jc37 19:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Works set on the Moon

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Propose merging Category:Works set on the Moon to Category:Fiction set on the Moon

Nominator's rationale: See my comment at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Works/Fiction_by_setting_(space). While there are broader issues to consider for the parent trees, this and another category about Mars I'll list seem to be pure duplicates in need of merger. Merging works to fiction is based solely on the fact that the remaining categories with that scope are in 'fiction', not 'works' tree (ex. we have Category:Fiction set on Jupiter and for most other planets, but no Category:Works set on Jupiter etc.), with no comment about whether this is good (see broader issues, discuss at WT:CAT talk linked above). PS. Actually, having spent an hour thinking more about this and writing an analysis in the linked talk page, I'd like to withdraw this proposal. Logic being: humans have landed on the Moon; there may be non-fiction accounts of astronaut activity set on the Moon but would not be fiction. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Child murder during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

• Propose renaming Category:Child murder during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to Category:Children killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: borderline cdc. Siblings in Category:Children killed in wars are all Children killed in FOO war Mason_Garrison 04:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, children were not the explicit target, adults were killed to no lesser extent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Colonial and Chief Secretaries / colonial and chief secretaries categories

• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Ceylon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Ceylon
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Sierra Leone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Sierra Leone
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Cyprus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Cyprus
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Fiji (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Fiji
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Gibraltar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Gibraltar
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of the Gold Coast (British colony)
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries for Ireland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries for Ireland
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Kenya (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Kenya
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Mauritius (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Mauritius
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of New South Wales (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of New South Wales
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of New Zealand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of New Zealand
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Nigeria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Nigeria
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Northern Rhodesia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Northern Rhodesia
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Palestine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Palestine
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Singapore
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Tasmania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Tasmania
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Transjordan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Transjordan
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Western Australia
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Prince Edward Island (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Prince Edward Island
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Newfoundland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Newfoundland
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Bermuda (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Bermuda
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of Barbados (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of Barbados
• Propose renaming Category:Colonial Secretaries of the Bahamas (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Colonial secretaries of the Bahamas
• Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of British Guiana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of British Guiana
• Propose renaming Category:Provincial Mayors of Cusco Province (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Provincial mayors of Cusco province

Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:JOBTITLES, we do not capitalize plural forms. These were opposed at speedy, so I am starting a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose if lowercased the category can be construed as referring to not only the particular officeholder intended but other officials of the colony whose title included "secretary" (e.g. the Financial Secretary of Hong Kong).108.41.55.190 (talk) 10:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term

• Propose deleting Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term

Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category and these categories result in career politicians having far too many cats that indicate essentially the same thing. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle: Are you proposing the deletion of all its subcategories as well? If so, they should be tagged. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Correct. It seemed easier to list the parent than listing 50 categories. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

They might not all need to be listed here, but they should all have the {{subst:cfd}} template placed on them. I used User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to quickly tag all the subcategories. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Commonly used category structure (see Category:Legislators by term). Nothing unique about Australian politicians that make them an exception. Diffuses otherwise overpopulated categories within Category:Politicians by century and nationality. If preferred, I wouldn't be against the creation of categories such as Category:20th-century members of the Australian House of Representatives and upmerging into this. That is how American legislators are sorted. Jevansen (talk) 04:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Jevansen: Just because other stuff exists doesn't mean this gets to. Heck, the issues with these categories mean that the Category:Legislators by term subcats may have to be brought here. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Not sure that applies to categories. Jevansen (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jevansen: Even if I didn't miss it (which I of course did), there are still times where the principles are functionally the same, and in this case this is so. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge all to Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives, this is a ridiculous sort of overcategorization. That applies to every other country as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge all to century-wide subcategories of Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives and, like I said before, see to it we do the same to all the subcats in Category:Legislators by term. Other stuff exists, after all. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - National legislators is one of only a few topics for which there is inherent notability. As a result they are popular amongst editors looking to create new articles and virtually every country, even non-English speaking countries, has several hundred, if not thousands, of national legislator articles. Removing sub-categorisation by term will result in extremely large categories which are difficult to navigate. WP:DIFFUSE allows large categories to be broken down into smaller, more specific subcategories. For legislators the most obvious way to create smaller, more manageable categories is to diffuse by term. Diffusing by century won't help as this only creates two/three sub-categories which would all undoubtedly be overpopulated - I wouldn't be surprised if Category:21st-century members of the Australian House of Representatives contains more than a thousand articles already and we are only a quarter of the way through this century.--Obi2canibe (talk) 14:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

  There could be better ways to break it down such as by state, but having up to 10 categories on a page that encapsulate essentially the same thing is overcategorisation and what led me here. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

That's an extreme example. It's like using the categorisation of Elizabeth II as an reason to delete Category:Heads of state by country and its sub-categories; or the categorisation of Barack Obama as an reason to delete Category:American people by descent and its sub-categories. The large majority of legislators aren't included in more than a handful of legislators by term categories. We shouldn't be destroying a sensible and useful categorisation structure based on extreme examples.--Obi2canibe (talk) 16:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

The reason I nominated this because 8 categories were added to a politician I had watchlisted, which is just over categorisation. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Obi2canibe: Yeah, concur with Traumnovelle the by-state categories should cover it, and the {{Automatic category TOC}} even far more so. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:British Honduras women activists

• Propose renaming Category:British Honduras women activists to Category:British Honduras activists

Nominator's rationale: Can we repurpose this category into the ungendered parent category? I don't see a possibility of British Honduras women activists being sufficiently populated, but maybe British Honduras activists could? Right now there's only Vivian Seay in it. Mason_Garrison 18:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, I have added two more articles to the category, but admittedly the category can be populated even better when it would become gender neutral. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: As with activists from other countries, it is useful to be able to categorize those who are women.--Ipigott (talk) 08:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  But there's no ungendered category. Mason_Garrison 23:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rename Create the parent category first. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Flash television shows

• Propose renaming Category:Flash television shows to Category:Flash animated television series

Nominator's rationale: Better title for the category, to match with its subcategories. 2803:C600:8101:80DD:BC28:5B0:38B5:F109 (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
• Rename to Flash animation television shows per Flash animation. This also should remove potential ambiguity with animated shows featuring the the Flash. The parent Category:Flash cartoons, should be speedy renamed to Category:Flash animation, as well. - jc37 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
• Rename per nom --Lenticel 12:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• Rename to Category:Flash animated television shows. I'm not convinced that Jc37's zero-derived adjective phrase is anything but awkward. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  Flash animation is the name of the article, and the name of the process. This is little different than saying "television shows" instead of "televised shows". - jc37 00:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• I am equally fine with Category:Flash animated television shows. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Rename to Category:Flash animated television series. All the subcategories use (1) "animated", not "animation" and (2) "series", not "shows". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Indigenous leaders of the Americas

• Propose renaming Category:Indigenous leaders of the Americas to Category:Indigenous leaders in the Americas

Nominator's rationale: rename, consistent with Category:Indigenous leaders in Canada and Category:Indigenous leaders in South America and more correct grammar. "Of" may suggest that they were leaders of the entirety of the Americas, which was not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment. Thanks for doing the legwork. I'm neutral on "of" versus "in", but I do think it's worth noting that the norm is "Category:Indigenous people of the Americas", and that the rest of the categories in Category:Indigenous people of the Americas by occupation, resemble category:Indigenous musicians of the Americas. Mason_Garrison 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - of makes more sense to me, and as mentioned it fits the category tree. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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• of makes sense equal sense as in in many cases, but it does not make equal sense in combination with "leaders". Leader of X means you are leading X, while the intention here clearly is that you are leading a subset of X. In this particular case in is the preferred form. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Peggy Jay family

• Propose renaming Category:Peggy Jay family to Category:Jay-Garnett family

Nominator's rationale: procedural nominaton, this was opposed at speedy because there was no speedy criterion applicable. Nom's rationale was: "To better summarise the contents as the family is wider than just direct relatives of Peggy Jay." I have no opinion about the proposal myself. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• If this is changed as such, it should be Category:Jay–Garnett family with an en-dash, since this is not a hyphenated name. If "Peggy Jay" is kept, it should be Category:Family of Peggy Jay. Mike Selinker (talk) 08:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Morozov family (merchants)

• Propose renaming Category:Morozov family (merchants) to Category:Morozov family

Nominator's rationale: Everybody with the last name Morozov on Misplaced Pages is in this category and listed on Morozovs. There are apparently more on the Russian Misplaced Pages, but that shouldn't guide us here. Mike Selinker (talk) 02:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

There are two different and unrelated Morozov families. One is a boyar family, the other is a merchant family. They should not be merged into one. Otherwise, it may cause unnecessary confusion. Aronlee90 (talk) 05:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, Feodosia Morozova does not belong to this family. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Assassination of George Tiller

• Propose deleting Category:Assassination of George Tiller (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant. This category represents a single topic that's covered in the article Murder of George Tiller, and the pages in this category are already linked from that article. Brian Kendig (talk) 01:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:20th-century deputy heads of government of Liechtenstein

• Propose splitting Category:20th-century deputy heads of government of Liechtenstein to Category:20th-century government ministers of Liechtenstein and Category:Deputy prime ministers of Liechtenstein
• Propose splitting Category:21st-century Liechtenstein government councillors to Category:21st-century Liechtenstein politicians and Category:Government ministers of Liechtenstein

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. There's no need to diffuse the parent category to this degree. Mason_Garrison 00:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: I disagree. Government ministers are a very notable role within Liechtenstein and should have their own century categories. There is also enough people with this role (page created or not) to warrant it's existence. Deputy heads of government, while technically a government minister, is also an entirely different role. TheBritinator (talk) 00:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Did I say anything about notability? I said that there's no need to diffuse this category by century. We don't keep categories around just because the pages might exist. Mason_Garrison 00:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Again, I disagree. There is more than enough people to warrant it being split by century. It being split this way also makes for much simpler navigation. TheBritinator (talk) 00:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Furthermore, I based my decision making for these categories similar to that of Category:20th-century vice presidents of the United States, for example. Why is this acceptable while mine is not? They serve the same purpose. TheBritinator (talk) 01:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:Otherstuffexists isn't a helpful argument. Why does there need to be 3 layers of politicians intersecting by century? Mason_Garrison 23:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)