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Name in Azerbaijani

Other khanates like Erivan khanate, Karabakh khanate etc. have names put in Azerbaijani as well. This should be the case here too. We cover this khanate as part of our history since it is the part of Azerbaijani people. If we write it in other khanates, it should be the case here too. So I suggest to change it with the addition of Naxçıvan xanlığı in Azerbaijani. If I do not see logical arguments, I will change it myself. Aydan B-va (talk) 06:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose. This has been discussed a zillion times, what you’re trying to is anachronistic. We dont add Modern Italian to the Roman Republic either, etc. And how are you suddenly the judge of that? No, you will have to reach WP:CONSENSUS, just like any other editor. Trying to force your way is not constructive. HistoryofIran (talk)

Then explain me why there are Azerbaijani names in Erivan and Karabakh khanates. If we do it for others, can do for Naxçıvan too. Aydan B-va (talk) 09:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, WP:RS in addition to WP:CON. Having said that, I can agree with the inclusion of the Azerbaijani spelling in the Arabic script. - LouisAragon (talk) 11:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

This is not an answer to my concern. What is the logic? Why in other khanates Azerbaijani name can be allowed but not here? The previous argument about Rome empire applies to there as well. I am waiting for a logical argument! Aydan B-va (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The linked WP's are the "logic" you're referring to. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The linked sources do not explain why we cannot use Azerbaijani spelling. We don’t use Arabic script. For consistency, if the other khanates that existed almost at the same period have the spelling, this should be also the case. Put normal argument or the page should be changed like I did. Otherwise, call 3rd party opinion. Aydan B-va (talk) 14:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• "The linked sources do not explain why we cannot use Azerbaijani spelling."

Then you clearly did not read any of the WP's. FYI, they are not "sources".

• "We don’t use Arabic script."

Thank you for confirming what I was already thinking. You are retroactively trying to "Azerbaijanify" (as in, the modern-day post-1918 entity) an entity that ceased to exist long before the establishment of the modern-day republic, and long before the creation of a Latin Azerbaijani script by the Baku goverment. The Latin Azerbaijani script was not in use in the 19th century, and thus it is an anachronism. The Azerbaijani language (or "Turkish/Tatar/Turko-tatar" language as it was called at the time) was written in the Arabic script. Hence, only the inclusion of a transliteration in the Arabic script can be argued.

• "For consistency, if the other khanates that existed almost at the same period have the spelling, this should be also the case."

Once again, just because it happens to be added to those articles by drive-by IP's and sockpuppets/meatpuppets, etc., it doesn't mean you can use that as an argument to include it here. It should be removed or changed to Arabic Azerbaijani in those articles when those articles are finally given the care they need. The Erivan Khanate is a different story, as there was actually a discussion in relation to language inclusions on its talk page (i.e. consensus).

• "Put normal argument or the page should be changed like I did. Otherwise, call 3rd party opinion."

Nope. Both me and user:HistoryofIran have acted conform Misplaced Pages's guidelines, whereas you have not. If you disagree you may file a RfC or file a 3PO case, but this is where it ends. Either an Azerbaijani Arabic inclusion, or no inclusion,as far as I'm concerned. Any further attempts to include an anachronistic transliteration without WP:CON will be labeled as WP:TENDENTIOUS editing and will be dealt with as such. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I have read your linked ‘sources’, nevertheless, they do not have relation to what I was writing. Yes, you just wrote that there was consensus on Erivan khanate. That’s what I meant all the time. Then we can use that consensus here because it is really waste of time to bring all the arguments again. We can add Arabic script, but with Latin script too. This khanate is part of Azerbaijanis’ history and is currently with its majority in Republic of Azerbaijan, so Azerbaijani name as it is written now should be used to be readable. Aydan B-va (talk) 15:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• "We can add Arabic script, but with Latin script too."

Good to see that you're willing to compromise. Sure, lets do that. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

The flag and the coat of arms

I want to discuss with you the addition of the flag and coat of arms to the article and also correcting the name of the khanate and some other things. Egl7 (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Territory of the Nakhchivan Khanate

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1268162595 @HistoryofIran so as i understand this article is restricted for changes. Since it has an "editing restriction " and not prohibited for editing, I would like to discuss with you an appeal to have my changes approved. Please show me from what time to what time this article is restricted for changes, so that I know when I will have more rights to edit the article. I don't really understand why you don't consider my changes an improvement, because, at present, this is mostly a territory of Azerbaijan. Was this article restricted from changes during these changes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1203058517

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1177447457 Egl7 (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I already linked you the policy about that. It seems like the rest of the policies I've linked you, that you haven't read that either. If you want to resort to whataboutism again, expect to get ignored. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

As the Misplaced Pages:GS/AA says

As of 13:13, September 8, 2023, per

community discussion

: Politics, ethnic relations, and conflicts involving

Armenia

,

Azerbaijan

, or both—broadly construed and explicitly including the

Armenian genocide

—are placed under an extended confirmed restriction.

Given what the

Misplaced Pages:GS/AA

is saying, this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1203058517

and this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nakhichevan_Khanate&diff=prev&oldid=1177447457

users had to face the reversal of the changes, should have been told that not only their changes are not considered an improvement, but also that this article has an editing restriction as of 13:13, September 8, 2023.

So tell me, please, when the restriction is going to be ended and what should be done in order to end the editing restriction. And as i said, it's not said that it is prohibited to edit this article and, again, I want to discuss with you the correct order of countries that are listed in the "part of the country" infobox. And also i want to know why you don't consider my changes an improvement. Egl7 (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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