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Province-based Family surnames in Korea do not have China or Chinese origins. Not sure what angle Misplaced Pages got their source from all those are wrong.— Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreaTimes2Disqus (talk • contribs) 07:38, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Han Hong-koo

https://imgur.com/a/ewRJol8

I'm linking this here because while the other sources can be accessed easily, this one can't.

Bamnamu (talk) 05:11, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Rename page

From "Korean clan names of foreign origin" to "Korean clans of foreign origin". I'm not sure the "names" part adds any meaningful distinction, and the new title is more concise. Also all of the clans pages/categories don't specify "name" like this page does. toobigtokale (talk) 20:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Lady Saso

@CountHacker and @Ger2024 would you like to discuss this topic? Id argue since Lady Saso is a legendary figure to begin with and likely isnt really verifable (and neither is Park Hyeokgeose, I mean the claim is that he was born from a golden egg) I think it really isn't a strong claim to add, also given that there's a dispute on if Saso was Chinese or Buyeo to begin with. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

The theory from the golden egg is extremely unlikely. The Lady Saso theory is more likely. If it is the Lady Saso theory, then chinese origin would currently be the most supported theory as it was recorded in Korean literature( written by korean academist). For information like korean surname of foreign origin, most information was taken from sources in Doosan and Encyclopedia of Korean Culture & Korean Dictionary. If this is not enough to prove, then so are most information in this page. Ger2024 (talk) 04:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I believe you are misunderstanding the issue. The Golden Egg Theory and the Lady Saso theory are not seperate. They are both from the exact same source, the Samguk Yusa.

Il-Yeon, who wrote the Samguk Yusa, wrote it as a compilation of poems and folklore.The issue here is precisely because the source you are referencing (the Samguk Yusa) both writes that he was born from a Golden Egg and also that Lady Saso gave birth to him. Various modern historians, Western or Korean or etc, have questioned the actual factual reliability of the source. For example here.

So the source itself can't be taken literally to begin with, unless we are assuming that Lady Saso is actually divinely related, and that people are born from Golden Eggs. So it's clearly not a true story to begin with and is a fictional legend from Korean folklore, the other portion is that there is a dispute on what the Samguk Yusa was referring to. The source interpretation is disputed, with claims either that this was from China or whether it was from Buyeo. This is far more disputed than say the Gija Joseon myth, where while Gija/Jizi is generally considered a ficitious person or loosely based on a real person, its undisputed that he was from China.

Also Wikipedian policy does not generally approve of using Encyclopedias and encourages using English sources. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 04:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

It's a fictional myth, egg or Lady Saso. We don't have the wiki page on the Julio-Claudian dynasty saying its from Trojan origin due to the Aeneid. The progenitor of the Park clans is also considered to be Park Hyeokgeose, not Lady Saso. His mother's origin should not matter. The Tang dynasty isn't a Xianbei dynasty because Gaozu's mother was an ethnic Xianbei. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 05:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes I know, but currently Park Hyeokgeose does not have a supported father figure. Park Hyeokgeose only well-known parental figure would be Lady Saso (she was given the name Sacred Mother of Mt. Seondo ). For now, the strongest connection appears to point to China, unless further information comes to light. Ger2024 (talk) 05:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Then what about Korean Language and Literature Dictionary. This theory was also supported over there by other Korean academists. The Buyeo theory on the other hand was not really mentioned by sources in Doosan and Korean dictionary (at least there are no credible sources to back up the Buyeo theory).

You know that all sources can be edited correct? If you are going to be so strict, then most information provide over here in "korean surname of foreign origin" does not have much supported evidence either. This would include the Heo surname that originated in India. And even the surname that originated from Mongolia and Vietnam would be questioned. As you said, most sources can be manipulated. And if thats the case, maybe most information in this page should be revised? Ger2024 (talk) 05:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ger2024, I agree with you that this page should be revised instead of WP:UNDUE information relying on genealogical fictions concocted by Korean clans to make their ancestors seem more prestigious. It's pretty clear that most clans claiming foreign origins before the Goryeo period aren't actual of foreign origin. I'm currently going have only clans that were from Koryo period and the Choson dynasty appear in this list. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 05:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

First off, the source you are specifically citing from, we can factually prove that it can't be taken literally. It is physically impossible for humans to be born from Golden Eggs, that alone prevents us from taking the Samguk Yusa (and the Korean Encylopedia page it is used in) at face value simply because the source is not factually reliable.

Second off, I pointed this out in the Gija Joseon myth (and the same applies to the Heo myth), while I agree with CountHacker's view that we dont have wiki pages on the Julio-Claudian dynasties saying its Trojan in origin, the Lady Saso-Park connection is even far weaker than that because sources aren't even sure if Lady Saso was A) actually Chinese, its vague and is interpreted to be either Chinese, Buyeo, or even an unnamed country and B) the Samguk Sagi explictly does not mention this origin story, and should be taken far more seriously as a factual source on this regard.

Descent in Korea is patriolineal, and again, you are treating Lady Saso as if she were Chinese when 1) we cant verify if shes real or not and more importantly 2) the source you are using does not even verify if shes actually Chinese or from Buyeo. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 05:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

This is incredibly disrespectful to CountHacker and I that you are blatantly edit-warring when we are trying to discuss with you and I previously warned you to not do this. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 05:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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