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'''Avoid collections of miscellaneous facts or examples,''' since ]. Whether presented in list format or embedded in regular prose, these risk becoming '''trivia magnets''', which grow increasingly unwieldy as items are added. If such a collection already exists,<ref name="OldLists">In the early days of Misplaced Pages it was common for articles to include lists of miscellaneous information, often grouped into their own section. These sections were typically given names such as "Trivia", "Facts", "Miscellanea", or "Other information". For an example, see ] from December 10, 2005. This practice has long been disapproved.</ref> it should be considered temporary, until editors can sort out what is worth keeping; in some cases, it may be appropriate to move the content from the article itself to its ] to allow this process to happen outside of ]. Content supported by a ] and which falls within the ] could be integrated into a different section or article; non-encyclopedic content should simply be removed. '''Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous information.''' It was once common practice on Misplaced Pages for articles to include lists of isolated information, which were often grouped into their own section. These sections were typically given names such as "Trivia", "Facts", "Miscellanea", "Other information" and "Notes" (not to be confused with "Notes" sections that store ]). For an example of this practice, see ] from December 10, 2005. This ] deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or ].

Trivia sections should be avoided. If such a section already exists, it should be considered temporary, until editors come up with a more logical grouping and ordering of facts. Editors encountering such lists may feel encouraged to add to them indiscriminately, and these lists may then end up becoming '''trivia magnets''' which are increasingly disorganized, unwieldy, and difficult to read. A better way to ] is to provide a logical grouping and ordering of facts that gives an integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions, whether in text, a list, or a table.

==Guidance==
{{see also|Misplaced Pages:Handling trivia#Practical steps}}

Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate. Otherwise, see if the trivia section contains ] for a particular aspect of the subject of the article, and then consider using the section items as a basis for a different article discussing that aspect. Items that duplicate material elsewhere in the article and have no support from reliable sources can be removed in most cases.

Research may be necessary to give each fact some context or to add ]. Any ] or factually incorrect entries should be removed, entries outside the scope of the article should be moved to other articles, and entries such as ] as well as tangential or irrelevant facts may fall outside ] and should be removed altogether.

==What this guideline is not==

* This guideline does not suggest deleting trivia sections (without integrating the information elsewhere in the article). If information is otherwise suitable for inclusion, it is better for it to be poorly presented than not presented at all.
* This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose. Some information is better presented in list format.


==Not all list sections are trivia sections== ==Not all list sections are trivia sections==
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In this guideline, the term "trivia section" refers to a section's ''content'', not its name. A trivia section is one that contains a ''disorganized'' and ''unselective'' collection of facts or examples. A list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia. For example, ] contains a list of climate effects which that volcano eruption is believed to have had in different areas. In general, ], though a list format is sometimes the best way to present certain types of information.


In this guideline, the term "trivia section" refers to a section's ''content'', not its name. A trivia section is one that contains a ''disorganized'' and ''"unselective"'' list. However, a ''selectively'' populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.
Any list of examples should have a solid connection to the article's subject. When there are numerous potential examples, it is usually best to avoid creating an open-ended formatted list, as this often leads to indiscriminate additions. If the examples cannot be meaningfully limited, but a few would help illustrate a point, select two or three key examples and present them within the article's running prose. If examples would not be helpful to illustrate a point, avoid giving any; for instance, the "]" has been reenacted many times, but this can be mentioned without listing any actual recreations of it.<ref name="AkiraSlide">As a demonstration, of the "''Akira'' slide" section in the ] article contained a very lengthy list of examples, whereas omits the list.</ref>

==Other policies apply==
Trivia sections found in other publications outside Misplaced Pages (such as ]) may contain speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or even ]. However, trivia sections (and others) in Misplaced Pages articles must not contain those, and their content must be maintained in accordance with Misplaced Pages's ]. An item's degree of potential public interest will not excuse it from being subject to rules like ], ], or ]. It is always best to ] when adding new facts to a trivia section, or any other section.


=="In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material== =="In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material==
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Cultural references about the article's subject should not be included merely because they exist. Cultural aspects of the subject should be included only if they are supported by reliable secondary or tertiary sources that discuss the subject's cultural impact in some depth. The mere appearance of the subject in a film, song, video game, television show, or the like is insufficient. Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. A Misplaced Pages article may include a subject's cultural impact by ] its coverage in ] secondary or ]s (e.g., a dictionary or encyclopedia). A source should cover the subject's cultural impact in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item.


Articles often include material about cultural references to the subject of the article. Sometimes this content is in its own section ("in popular culture" is common, but also "in the media", "cultural references", "in fiction" etc.), and sometimes it is included with other prose. When not effectively curated, such material can attract trivial references or otherwise expand in ways not compatible with Misplaced Pages policies such as ] and ].
=== Example and discussion ===
If you want to add a fact to the ] article stating that bananas are used as weapons in the ], you should cite a reliable source focused on bananas—such as, to take a fictitious example, ''The Cultural Impact of the Banana'' by Joe Bananalover. This ensures relevance to the subject of the article.


As with most article content, prose is usually preferable to a list format, regardless of where the material appears. Such prose might give a logically presented overview (chronological and/or by medium) of how the subject has been documented, featured, and portrayed in different media and genres, for various purposes and audiences.
Citing sources specific to ''Worms'', such as the games themselves as primary sources, or an article in ] magazine, is not sufficient. While these may ], they do not demonstrate the cultural significance of bananas in a manner proportionate to their overall treatment in reliable sources about bananas. It is the fact's relevance to the topic of bananas that matters, not its significance within the ''Worms'' games. Misplaced Pages's ] policy requires articles to reflect the significance of aspects of a subject as presented in the broader body of literature on that subject. Minor aspects that do not receive significant attention in those sources should not be covered at all.


Take for example the subject of ]. You may wish to include mention of how ] in '']'' drank bone broth. An appropriate source might be '']'' magazine, which is a reliable source for articles about soup. If ''Bon Appetit'' mentions how Baby Yoda drank bone broth, it may be suitable for inclusion in the bone broth article. By contrast, an article in '']'' reviewing the latest episode of ''The Mandalorian'' which does not go into any detail about bone broth but simply mentions that Baby Yoda drank some in that episode is ''not'' sufficient to include in the article because it does not provide any in-depth coverage of the subject of the article.
Of course, sources such as ''PC Gamer'' or the ''Worms'' games themselves may well be appropriate for including the fact in the ] article, where they are directly relevant to that article's subject.


This sourcing requirement is a minimum threshold for inclusion of cultural references. Consensus at the article level can determine whether particular references which meet this criteria should be included. This sourcing requirement is a minimum threshold for inclusion of cultural references. Consensus at the article level can determine whether particular references which meet this criteria should be included.


Other guidance: See ] for why and how to avoid engaging in your own novel analysis of this coverage. See ] and ] for referencing standards. See ] for principles to apply in balancing Misplaced Pages treatment of cultural references to the subject.
=== How to avoid a cultural list becoming a trivia magnet ===
Cultural references, such as for example all the film or TV adaptations of a true-life event, are sometimes grouped into a section labelled "In popular culture", "In the media", "Cultural references", "In fiction", etc. When not effectively curated, such a section can attract trivial references or otherwise expand in ways not compatible with Misplaced Pages policies such as ] and ]. The risk can be reduced by ensuring that the list has clear, restrictive, and relevant criteria for inclusion, and that trivial entries are regularly cleared out. Sometimes, converting a list into regular prose can also discourage the addition of non-encyclopedic trivia.

A good "Cultural references" section might, for example, set out a logically-presented overview (chronological and/or by medium) of the way in which the subject has been documented, featured, and portrayed in different media and genres, for various purposes and audiences.

==Other policies apply==
Trivia sections found in places such as ] sometimes contain speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or even ]. However, Misplaced Pages articles must never contain such material. Sensational claims not supported by a high-quality source may be removed immediately, even if the section remains in place.

See also ] for why and how to avoid engaging in your own novel analysis of miscelleneous facts. See ] and ] for referencing standards. See ] for principles to apply in balancing Misplaced Pages treatment of cultural references to the subject.

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Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous information. It was once common practice on Misplaced Pages for articles to include lists of isolated information, which were often grouped into their own section. These sections were typically given names such as "Trivia", "Facts", "Miscellanea", "Other information" and "Notes" (not to be confused with "Notes" sections that store reference citation footnotes). For an example of this practice, see the John Lennon trivia section from December 10, 2005. This style guideline deals with the way in which these facts are represented in an article, not with whether the information contained within them is actually trivia, or whether trivia belongs in Misplaced Pages.

Trivia sections should be avoided. If such a section already exists, it should be considered temporary, until editors come up with a more logical grouping and ordering of facts. Editors encountering such lists may feel encouraged to add to them indiscriminately, and these lists may then end up becoming trivia magnets which are increasingly disorganized, unwieldy, and difficult to read. A better way to organize an article is to provide a logical grouping and ordering of facts that gives an integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions, whether in text, a list, or a table.

Guidance

See also: Misplaced Pages:Handling trivia § Practical steps

Trivia sections should not simply be removed from articles in all cases. It may be possible to integrate some items into the article text. Some facts may belong in existing sections, while others may warrant a new section. Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate. Otherwise, see if the trivia section contains sources for a particular aspect of the subject of the article, and then consider using the section items as a basis for a different article discussing that aspect. Items that duplicate material elsewhere in the article and have no support from reliable sources can be removed in most cases.

Research may be necessary to give each fact some context or to add references. Any speculative or factually incorrect entries should be removed, entries outside the scope of the article should be moved to other articles, and entries such as "how-to" material as well as tangential or irrelevant facts may fall outside Misplaced Pages's scope and should be removed altogether.

What this guideline is not

  • This guideline does not suggest deleting trivia sections (without integrating the information elsewhere in the article). If information is otherwise suitable for inclusion, it is better for it to be poorly presented than not presented at all.
  • This guideline does not suggest always avoiding lists in favor of prose. Some information is better presented in list format.

Not all list sections are trivia sections

Main page: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Embedded lists

In this guideline, the term "trivia section" refers to a section's content, not its name. A trivia section is one that contains a disorganized and "unselective" list. However, a selectively populated list with a relatively narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information.

Other policies apply

Trivia sections found in other publications outside Misplaced Pages (such as IMDb) may contain speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or even libel. However, trivia sections (and others) in Misplaced Pages articles must not contain those, and their content must be maintained in accordance with Misplaced Pages's other policies. An item's degree of potential public interest will not excuse it from being subject to rules like verifiability, neutral point-of-view, or no original research. It is always best to cite sources when adding new facts to a trivia section, or any other section.

"In popular culture" and "Cultural references" material

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Cultural references about a subject should not be included simply because they exist. A Misplaced Pages article may include a subject's cultural impact by summarizing its coverage in reliable secondary or tertiary sources (e.g., a dictionary or encyclopedia). A source should cover the subject's cultural impact in some depth; it should not be a source that merely mentions the subject's appearance in a movie, song, television show, or other cultural item.

Articles often include material about cultural references to the subject of the article. Sometimes this content is in its own section ("in popular culture" is common, but also "in the media", "cultural references", "in fiction" etc.), and sometimes it is included with other prose. When not effectively curated, such material can attract trivial references or otherwise expand in ways not compatible with Misplaced Pages policies such as what Misplaced Pages is not and neutral point of view.

As with most article content, prose is usually preferable to a list format, regardless of where the material appears. Such prose might give a logically presented overview (chronological and/or by medium) of how the subject has been documented, featured, and portrayed in different media and genres, for various purposes and audiences.

Take for example the subject of bone broth. You may wish to include mention of how Baby Yoda in The Mandalorian drank bone broth. An appropriate source might be Bon Appetit magazine, which is a reliable source for articles about soup. If Bon Appetit mentions how Baby Yoda drank bone broth, it may be suitable for inclusion in the bone broth article. By contrast, an article in Polygon reviewing the latest episode of The Mandalorian which does not go into any detail about bone broth but simply mentions that Baby Yoda drank some in that episode is not sufficient to include in the article because it does not provide any in-depth coverage of the subject of the article.

This sourcing requirement is a minimum threshold for inclusion of cultural references. Consensus at the article level can determine whether particular references which meet this criteria should be included.

Other guidance: See WP:No original research for why and how to avoid engaging in your own novel analysis of this coverage. See WP:Verifiability and WP:Identifying reliable sources for referencing standards. See WP:Neutral point of view for principles to apply in balancing Misplaced Pages treatment of cultural references to the subject.

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