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Yesterday Jingiby to the article thew view of a certain "British historian F. A. K. Yasamee" on Macedonian ethnogenesis, describing his edit as a "clarification". The reader is not referred to any specific pages, but Yasamee's chapter is reproduced online , in a Bulgarian nationalist website. When reading the second paragraph of the chapter's introduction, which seems to have been used as the source for Jingiby's edit, the reader finds out that Yasamee does not only refer to the case of Macedonian national identity as exceptional, but also states that "The Macedonians are an extreme case, but it will be suggested here that the forces which have governed the peculiar evolution of their sense of nationality are not, at bottom, different from those which have shaped the nationalities of other Balkan peoples." This is quite different from the one-sided view that Yasamee is portrayed to uphold in the article due to the selective use of the paragraph in Jingiby's edit, which in addition omits mentioning that -per Yasamee- Macedonian (relative) exceptionalism relates to the fact that "their nationality continu to be disputed by several of their neighbours". I am thus reverting Jingiby's until there is an explanation of (a) why should Yasamee's views be partially and selectively used in the article and (b) why Yasamee's view should be considered of such importance so as to include it in this article. ] (]) 05:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Yesterday Jingiby to the article thew view of a certain "British historian F. A. K. Yasamee" on Macedonian ethnogenesis, describing his edit as a "clarification". The reader is not referred to any specific pages, but Yasamee's chapter is reproduced online , in a Bulgarian nationalist website. When reading the second paragraph of the chapter's introduction, which seems to have been used as the source for Jingiby's edit, the reader finds out that Yasamee does not only refer to the case of Macedonian national identity as exceptional, but also states that "The Macedonians are an extreme case, but it will be suggested here that the forces which have governed the peculiar evolution of their sense of nationality are not, at bottom, different from those which have shaped the nationalities of other Balkan peoples." This is quite different from the one-sided view that Yasamee is portrayed to uphold in the article due to the selective use of the paragraph in Jingiby's edit, which in addition omits mentioning that -per Yasamee- Macedonian (relative) exceptionalism relates to the fact that "their nationality continu to be disputed by several of their neighbours". I am thus reverting Jingiby's until there is an explanation of (a) why should Yasamee's views be partially and selectively used in the article and (b) why Yasamee's view should be considered of such importance so as to include it in this article. ] (]) 05:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

:The user Jingiby represents not a single person, but a group of individuals who work either directly or indirectly for the Bulgarian government (possibly instigated by the Bulgarian president Rumen Radev). From observation, the account is active many hours in the day, far longer than what a single person usually spends time. Unless this is addressed by Misplaced Pages, there will be legal action. ] (]) 11:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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Macedonian art

Sculpture and installation artists Gligor Stefanov and Petre Nikoloski were the first to represent an independant Macedonia in the Venice Biennale in 1993.

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Yesterday Jingiby added to the article thew view of a certain "British historian F. A. K. Yasamee" on Macedonian ethnogenesis, describing his edit as a "clarification". The reader is not referred to any specific pages, but Yasamee's chapter is reproduced online here, in a Bulgarian nationalist website. When reading the second paragraph of the chapter's introduction, which seems to have been used as the source for Jingiby's edit, the reader finds out that Yasamee does not only refer to the case of Macedonian national identity as exceptional, but also states that "The Macedonians are an extreme case, but it will be suggested here that the forces which have governed the peculiar evolution of their sense of nationality are not, at bottom, different from those which have shaped the nationalities of other Balkan peoples." This is quite different from the one-sided view that Yasamee is portrayed to uphold in the article due to the selective use of the paragraph in Jingiby's edit, which in addition omits mentioning that -per Yasamee- Macedonian (relative) exceptionalism relates to the fact that "their nationality continu to be disputed by several of their neighbours". I am thus reverting Jingiby's until there is an explanation of (a) why should Yasamee's views be partially and selectively used in the article and (b) why Yasamee's view should be considered of such importance so as to include it in this article. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 05:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

The user Jingiby represents not a single person, but a group of individuals who work either directly or indirectly for the Bulgarian government (possibly instigated by the Bulgarian president Rumen Radev). From observation, the account is active many hours in the day, far longer than what a single person usually spends time. Unless this is addressed by Misplaced Pages, there will be legal action. 95.180.241.18 (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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