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| :::All I can say is that after checking the facts, Hephaestos was right. Yes, I know who Simon Higgs is. This isn't significant. All the legitimate COI critiques made have been addressed and will continue to be addressed. If others want to update these pages, they can do that. This has all the appearance of a personal vendetta against Simon Higgs because every single deletion notice has come from the same person - ]. Not only that but you have decided singly-handed to delete informational stubs (which by definition are works in progress) on the sole grounds they were created by this account and are therefore spam. How ludicrous is that? Please explain '''yourself'''. ] 21:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC) | :::All I can say is that after checking the facts, Hephaestos was right. Yes, I know who Simon Higgs is. This isn't significant. All the legitimate COI critiques made have been addressed and will continue to be addressed. If others want to update these pages, they can do that. This has all the appearance of a personal vendetta against Simon Higgs because every single deletion notice has come from the same person - ]. Not only that but you have decided singly-handed to delete informational stubs (which by definition are works in progress) on the sole grounds they were created by this account and are therefore spam. How ludicrous is that? Please explain '''yourself'''. ] 21:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::The main problem here is ]. The conflict of interest problem on one article is what made me suspicious that other articles were being created by the same account that don't satisfy ] due to the same conflict of interest. I turned out to be right, and so here we are at AfD. Also, I 'single-handedly deleted' nothing. I do not have the power to delete, only to put up for deletion review. Even speedydelete tags must be reviewed (the actual deletions of the redlinked articles above were carried out by sysop ]). Now, to clarify the ] issue, are you Simon Higgs or a close associate/relative/publisher/etc. of his? ] 21:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC) | ::::The main problem here is ]. The conflict of interest problem on one article is what made me suspicious that other articles were being created by the same account that don't satisfy ] due to the same conflict of interest. I turned out to be right, and so here we are at AfD. Also, I 'single-handedly deleted' nothing. I do not have the power to delete, only to put up for deletion review. Even speedydelete tags must be reviewed (the actual deletions of the redlinked articles above were carried out by sysop ]). Now, to clarify the ] issue, are you Simon Higgs or a close associate/relative/publisher/etc. of his? ] 21:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :::::You already have your answer above. It does not justify removing verifiable facts. How do we know that you don't have a COI in that you are a rival or competitor of Simon Higgs? After all, you're the only one placing "delete" notices on the pages here. Getting back to the facts. The information has been UNCONTESTED for 4 years since it was originally challenged by ]. There is no problem with ] because notability has already been contested and the issue was resolved back in 2004. The Higgs' Laws originally had their own page and the Misplaced Pages community decided they didn't merit their own page, so they were added to Simon Higgs' page (by someone else). Again, problem resolved. Now you come along with a very specific agenda to target EVERYTHING that has been made by this account. While other Wiki users seem to want to contribute to the pages this account has created, you seem to want to delete them and remove them from Wiki history so apparently you have an agenda at work here. Choose wisely. Your actions are not that of someone challenging information and sources per the Misplaced Pages mandate and these actions are not going unnoticed. ] 00:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Simon Higgs
This summarizes an issue originally raised at the COI noticeboard
I discovered this article when putting a speedydelete tag on a slapdash spam article for Mr Higgs's book (The Guide To Selling Your Music In The iTunes Music Store (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)). I found that the only editor of note for that article was also the only editor of note for this article on Mr Higgs; an article for a Michelle Higgs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), whom I presume is a relative and whose music has been produced by Mr Higgs; the only editor for Healing Rooms, an album by Michelle Higgs and produced by Mr Higgs; and the main editor for articles on a David Ruis and a Boris Menart, also Higgs-produced musicians. The editor also claims suspiciously to be the copyright holder of Image:Healing-rooms-cover.jpg.
The editor, Particle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), became extremely evasive when asked if he had a conflict of interest on the book's talk page (now deleted), Michelle Higgs's talk page (also now deleted), and his own userpage (which, though not lengthy at all, has been suspiciously archived by a bot, possibly so as to conceal the conflict of interest). Also note that, after this rigamarole, the user immediately blanked his userpage, which had previously linked to the Simon Higgs article with the redirect "Higgs' Law" , and transcluded a UBX for WikiProject Contemporary Christian music, essentially scrambling to don a halo. User has also removed my spam tag from the Simon Higgs article while keeping in links intended to sell Mr Higgs's products.
User Particle is aware of my general opinion of his articles and of my intentions, as it was my "depredations against the innocent," or some such nonsense, that brought down (via speedydelete) the articles on his book and his (presumed) wife. I should also mention the categories he's created for himself and his wife ("Books by..." "Albums by," etc.), as well as his various redirects, apparent self-entries on lists (the "Higgs' Laws" entry on Scientific phenomena named after people is particularly galling), and other vain weirdnesses.
I am also nominating the following related pages because they are also Particle creations on musicians closely associated with Mr Higgs, which thus abysmally fail WP:COI and should be considered spam:
- Healing Rooms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Boris Menart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- David Ruis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Delete all. The last three articles just mentioned are easily dismissed for lack of assertion of notability, and might even qualify for speedy deletion. The first one, Simon Higgs, is more substantial and makes some claims to notability, but completely lacks third-party sources to justify such terms as Higgs' Law, or attesting to the importance of Higgs's work. The author of all these articles, User:Particle, may have a COI and be the publisher of the records, since when uploading the image for Healing Rooms he asserted he was the copyright owner of the cover picture of the record. EdJohnston 19:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:N, in trying to find sources myself, google gives a lot of hits (though not all to the same Simon Higgs) but nothing I can find that suggests notability. That said I would not be suprised if some decent secondary source exists out there, and would consider changing to keep if proper sources were provided (though article would need a lot of cleanup. Additional Comment should probably be included in this AFD as well, though can certainly just be speedied. Russeasby 19:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all No evidence of notability. Just as a point of pedantry the apostrophe use on "Higgs' Law" is correct, it can be either Higgs' or Higgs's. One Night In Hackney303 19:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- It's much more fun to be persnickety, though. In any case, the is technically used to show simply that you are repeating what another has said, verbatim. Though there is often a tone of mild condescension attached to its use, it doesn't necessarily mean that the usage it follows is wrong, per se. I used it to show that I was using my preferred "s's" form alongside Particle's preferred "s'" form, and not just switching indiscriminately between them ... 'cause I's a grammar nazi like dat. Ah, how refreshing. I seem to have gotten through my day's quota of pedantry in one go! =) --Dynaflow 19:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all as there is no reason to think a source will be forthcoming, as the article has been here unsourced since 2004. Why did it take such a long time to discover? Perhaps because he was so unnotable nobody even looked at it?. There's no point editing the article and removing links unless such sources miraculously appear.DGG 04:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all, unsourced COI. Deiz talk 02:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all. If Simon Higgs and his laws were as notable as Peter Higgs, the Higgs mechanism and the Higgs boson, I'd reconsider. — Athaenara 05:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Leave alone. Or at least tidy up. What exactly are you all looking for? If anyone could be bothered to actually FACT CHECK, the notability of Simon Higgs was originally questioned by Hephaestos and that noticed was later removed by Hephaestos once DUE DILIGENCE had been done back on February 4, 2004. The secondary source at the time was Milton L. Mueller's book Ruling the Root: Internet Governance and the Taming of Cyberspace published by MIT Press (listed in the article). The other articles are people and credits that can easily be verified with a quick Google. particle 18:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Are you Simon Higgs or are you closely associated with him in some way? I would like to get Hephaestos' take on this, but he seems to have left Misplaced Pages after getting into a rather messy fight with a robot . --Dynaflow 19:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- All I can say is that after checking the facts, Hephaestos was right. Yes, I know who Simon Higgs is. This isn't significant. All the legitimate COI critiques made have been addressed and will continue to be addressed. If others want to update these pages, they can do that. This has all the appearance of a personal vendetta against Simon Higgs because every single deletion notice has come from the same person - Dynaflow. Not only that but you have decided singly-handed to delete informational stubs (which by definition are works in progress) on the sole grounds they were created by this account and are therefore spam. How ludicrous is that? Please explain yourself. particle 21:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- The main problem here is WP:NOTE. The conflict of interest problem on one article is what made me suspicious that other articles were being created by the same account that don't satisfy WP:NOTE due to the same conflict of interest. I turned out to be right, and so here we are at AfD. Also, I 'single-handedly deleted' nothing. I do not have the power to delete, only to put up for deletion review. Even speedydelete tags must be reviewed (the actual deletions of the redlinked articles above were carried out by sysop Enochlau). Now, to clarify the WP:COI issue, are you Simon Higgs or a close associate/relative/publisher/etc. of his? --Dynaflow 21:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- You already have your answer above. It does not justify removing verifiable facts. How do we know that you don't have a COI in that you are a rival or competitor of Simon Higgs? After all, you're the only one placing "delete" notices on the pages here. Getting back to the facts. The information has been UNCONTESTED for 4 years since it was originally challenged by Hephaestos. There is no problem with WP:NOTE because notability has already been contested and the issue was resolved back in 2004. The Higgs' Laws originally had their own page and the Misplaced Pages community decided they didn't merit their own page, so they were added to Simon Higgs' page (by someone else). Again, problem resolved. Now you come along with a very specific agenda to target EVERYTHING that has been made by this account. While other Wiki users seem to want to contribute to the pages this account has created, you seem to want to delete them and remove them from Wiki history so apparently you have an agenda at work here. Choose wisely. Your actions are not that of someone challenging information and sources per the Misplaced Pages mandate and these actions are not going unnoticed. particle 00:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- The main problem here is WP:NOTE. The conflict of interest problem on one article is what made me suspicious that other articles were being created by the same account that don't satisfy WP:NOTE due to the same conflict of interest. I turned out to be right, and so here we are at AfD. Also, I 'single-handedly deleted' nothing. I do not have the power to delete, only to put up for deletion review. Even speedydelete tags must be reviewed (the actual deletions of the redlinked articles above were carried out by sysop Enochlau). Now, to clarify the WP:COI issue, are you Simon Higgs or a close associate/relative/publisher/etc. of his? --Dynaflow 21:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- All I can say is that after checking the facts, Hephaestos was right. Yes, I know who Simon Higgs is. This isn't significant. All the legitimate COI critiques made have been addressed and will continue to be addressed. If others want to update these pages, they can do that. This has all the appearance of a personal vendetta against Simon Higgs because every single deletion notice has come from the same person - Dynaflow. Not only that but you have decided singly-handed to delete informational stubs (which by definition are works in progress) on the sole grounds they were created by this account and are therefore spam. How ludicrous is that? Please explain yourself. particle 21:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Are you Simon Higgs or are you closely associated with him in some way? I would like to get Hephaestos' take on this, but he seems to have left Misplaced Pages after getting into a rather messy fight with a robot . --Dynaflow 19:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)