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Trials and Tribulations and "QWERTY"

The name of the new CD has no where been confirmed to be Trials and Tribulations, that was just what the interviewer guessed, so people need to stop putting that it is the official title. Also "QWERTY" has not been confirmed as "Lies", "Behind Your Lies", or anything else, as far as I know of. It may not even be on the final cut of the album, so until someone can link a source that says otherwise, "QWERTY" is still "QWERTY".WIKI-GUY-16, 9 December(UTC)

"QWERTY" is "QWERTY", and it will not be on the album --SayCheese 14:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Not on the album? WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! They gotta reconsider that! U-Mos 20:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Umm, what I heard is that the new album title is called The Morning After but that could be false. I just got a new single called "Giving In" and its from Linkin Park, so im really not sure. (Bishop 00:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC))

"The Morning After" is the title of a song that Chester performed in 2001 and is not going to be the name of the album. "Giving In" is a song by Adema and has been mistakingly credited as Linkin Park for years. --SayCheese 06:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

"Giving In" features Chester on vocals Agentsmith_1111

SayCheese, the title of the album could be The Morning After. But no one has confirmed nor denied it. It remains a possibility. It is a song of Chester's, but so many albums have names that also the name is from a song.RichV 22:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It could be The Morning After, it could be *anything*. However, it is highly doubtful that The Morning After is going to be the album name since 1) As I said before, it is already a name of a song that Chester wrote which is also notably not a Linkin Park song because only Chester wrote and performed it and 2) "The Morning After" has been confirmed as a song on Chester's solo album. --SayCheese 22:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny how instead of Trials and Tribulations (T and T) its Minutes to Midnight (M to M). -- Riffsyphon1024 04:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Or they think something like : MinuTes to MidnighT —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 008xtreme (talk • contribs) 09:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

QWERTY is actually part of the linkin park underground albums. erm LPU 0.6 i think, and therefore it has already been released, hence the reason it came out like 6 months ago. And QWERTY is the same as LP's old sound (wich in my opinion was very good, and should really be changed) but yer the single What i've done is very good, and hopefully the rest fo the album will be like it. --168.224.1.14 12:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Phill

um ur almost right, bout 99% its LPU 6.0

T and T

Was it really necessary to change the article to T and T? It would be more appropriate to keep it as Linkin Park's third studio album and then when the entire title is released change it to the name. --SayCheese 02:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd rather propose to cancel this article. Maybe their third studio album will be never released. --Baxtaba 11:30, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

u_u ... now someone changed the start of the article to read "T_____ and T________ is an upcoming album by Linkin Park. The record, whose title is currently provvisory, is set for a February 2007 release."--R-Tiztik 20:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

And now you see why we don't change an album article's title until the title is confirmed. T and T isn't even close to Minutes to Midnight. Hello2112 22:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

This talk page is whack, who said "QWERTY" isn't gonna be on the album, they never confirmed or denied it. And of course the albums gonna be released....unless they all die... APACOlypse27 02:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

"QWERTY" is not going to be on the album. "The six-track EP features two songs from the band's current studio session for their upcoming album and some unreleased live tracks. "Over the last year we have written so many new songs and really wanted to give some of the early ideas to our hardcore fans that will not be on the new album," said LP's Rob Bourdon. "Other tracks include a live version of an old track from back when our band was called XERO, and some special live tracks we played at the Japan shows this past August." --SayCheese 11:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO told! 71.206.136.69 01:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Release date

What happened to the February 20, 2007 release date? Was it not true?--R-Tiztik 17:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Linkin Park's third studio album is set for a April 2007 release. The vocals have been confirmed as completed and the album will be 100% and in the bands hands sometime in January. A video will be filmed shortly after and the video will hit the airwaves in February. The title has yet to be announced.

OFFICIAL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.45.201.68 (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Please don't edit the page with that information until you have a website source which proves it. As of right now, the band has only said that they are almost done with vocals and that the album will be released in the spring. --SayCheese 19:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

No it wasn't true. March/April seems to be the most likely date, but knowing Linkin Park, it probably won't come out until June/July. They did that to us with Collision Course. Supposed to come out in Autumn (Fall for you Yanks), came out beginning of December. Bane II 11:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Who added June 26, 2007 as the release date, and whoever it is, please provide proof from a reliable source. Hello2112 01:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh, since when did "us Yanks" not understand what 'Autumn' meant? I mean sure, I'd wager it's not used as often as 'Fall' here, but it's still a VERY common word. --Foot Dragoon 04:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

June 26th is speculation that carried over from the LPU and should not be on this article.--SayCheese 02:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

LPfuse says on the LPU newsletter that the album will be released on the 15th for the USA and the 14th to everyone eles? (Sizedude 20:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

Summer release

Is there really any link or evidence that the album is going to be released in the summer? In the LPU chat Rob said that it would be released by the summertime and that is the only reference I've seen to summer. Unless there is some sort of source I think it needs to be changed to what it was before, and that is spring. --SayCheese 20:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm ticked now first they say Summer 06 then Fall 06 then Febuary 07 then March and now Summer. Just pick 18 songs and put the rest in under ground CD's.Sam ov the blue sand 23:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It'll be released in the summer see, Linkin Park: "They really are reinventing themselves," Rubin said of the band, mixing now for a summer release. "It doesn't sound like rap-rock. There's very strong songwriting. I've heard guys in the band say that it transcends everything they've done before, like it puts them in a whole different light in their minds, and they really like that. It's very melodic. It's a progressive record." Utopian12 04:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Utopian12

Some articles say summer, some say spring. It's only definite once the band actually sets a date. --SayCheese 04:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't you wanna understand that their third studio album will be NEVER released? The truth is that they won't release another record until they disbanded. Rick Rubin probably knows it. --Chargin' Chuck 21:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What were you saying? -- Riffsyphon1024 04:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I wish this wasn't a lie. --Chargin' Chuck 22:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I wish this was a lie. R-Tiztik 21:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Release date pattern?

What is this supposed to be? Does anyone object to deleting this section? It seems like complete original research to me, not to mention you can't determine patterns from just two dates. bob rulz 22:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

How about putting an infamous TBA? Catatonic89 23:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm just gonna delete the section. A release date hasn't been announced. The section is unencyclopedic and original research anyway. bob rulz 04:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It has been officially announced as 14th May outside the USA and Canada, and the 15th May in USA and Canada.--Au revoir!008xtreme 19:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Release Date Changes?

Since when is this coming out in EU on the 11th and AU on the 12th? Source or it's getting changed back to the 14th. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TeamOverload (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

The Herald Sun in Australia first reported the release date, or so i believe. This date is also backed up by Australian retail websites such as www.sainity.com.au which all list the release as the 12th. - D.Kelly, Melbourne, AU 203.28.244.254 15:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

LP's official site has a countdown timer & release dates, as does their MySpace. so unless that changes, don't trust some random paper, store, or site. FyreNWater 21:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

LP's timer counts down to the official North American release date. If the album is in fact being imported to other countries prior to May 14 then that isn't information that should be completely disregarded. R-Tiztik 05:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Sainity and JB hi-fi are not random stores, they are the largest entertainment stores in Australia. And the Herald sun is one of two major papers in Melbourne with quite a large readership. Not meaning to argue but you did ask for sources. And to put 4 different countdowns on the likin park site would be ridiculous and over-cluttered. Also, the Australian iTunes has listed the release date as 12th of May and the promo material contains the date as the 12th of May. Sourced enough? - D.Kelly, melbourne, AU 203.28.244.254 07:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Track listing

Working Titles

Uhh, duz working titles mean working album names or working track namez, thanx - NJ Rock

Track names RichV 22:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanx man :) - NJ Rock

Song listing wrong?

what are some of the new song names? in the club, wangsta, nuthin' but a g thang. -joe

This is one of the questions answered by the band to one of the questioners in the talk to the band thing.

So isn't the confirmed track listing In the Club Wangsta Nuthin' but a g thang? --59.183.137.239 14:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sarcasm is golden. Expecially to Joe Hahn. Hello2112 23:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ye, even i checked it out...... the listing in wikipedia is wrong........ in one of the questions they also replied that the band' fav song is the little things give you away and bleed it out...... so this brings the confirmed track listing to 5.......... and do you guys really think LP will write a song "Valentine's Day", sure the sun will rise in the west if that happens, no matter how much the band changes. --Sharmask7777 15:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you think LP would write a song called "My December"? Oh wait they fucking did. The track listing is not wrong. Source 1, Source 2, Source 3, Source 4, Source 5, Source 6, Source 7, Source 8, Source 9, and Source 10. Don't say stupid shit, if it wasn't sourced it wouldn't appear on Misplaced Pages. And on a side note, "In Da Club" and "Wanksta" are 50 Cent songs and "Nuthin' But A "G" Thang" is a Dr. Dre song. R-Tiztik 16:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey tizzi chill..... i have no information about their songs........ buh i think i belierve you now... cool yer temper.--Sharmask7777 14:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Just saying 0:) R-Tiztik 15:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Title track?

Where is it confirmed that the band recorded a title track called "Minutes to Midnight", and that it's an iTunes Pre-Order exclusive? I can understand why they could have pre-order exclusive tracks since it's nothing new, but for a title track to be one of them? It should have been on the album if it exists at all. R-Tiztik 16:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

No it wasn't. No one knows what the pre-order exclusives are. --SayCheese 17:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Album cover

Why is the new logo serving as the album cover? There's been no confirmation of it. Hello2112 18:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

This is true which is why I'm going to take it off. It seems that people are getting ahead of themselves and can't wait for an actual cover to be released. --SayCheese 18:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

slaps self* Now, why is the splash page serving as the album cover? It's quite likely but it's not confirmed, and Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Hello2112 16:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Found this picture on the Warner Bros Record website an hour ago but as now been taken down so I'm guessing it is fake or just someone who runs the website messing about.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8807/warnermtmltdty7.jpg

Look at the bands default myspace photo - a minutes to midnight album cover! use it! 81.79.40.253 18:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

k, we've got the official album cover. No changing it. Unusually simple for LP. Hello2112 19:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It may be simple but it's the first album (I don't know about Live in Texas) that the whole band is featured on the cover. It's a nice image. that's all I got. I guess when the Actual album comes out we can explain about the "Visual" aspect of the album.-Weatherman289 11:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Leak (real)

Just lettin ya all know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.120.145.194 (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Wow, this early? 69.143.159.10 12:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Are we sure it's actually the real thing? I could tell if I listened to it, but I'm at school. I'm confirm when I get home. TeamOverload 12:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it's real, and 69.143.159.10, it isn't that early. the album's out in 10 days (7 if you live in Australia or some place like that). Look at it this way, Manson's album leaked on May 1 and it doesn't come out until June 5 (a whopping 35 days) lol. R-Tiztik 13:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

its real and its sweet, but if your at school shouldnt you do school work, i cant do this at school, block counts it as forum 71.206.136.69 00:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Leak and Official Time Information.

What I did was put the leak info under the release info and The TIME IS CORRECT ACCORDING TO MY CD PLAYER. NOTE: WHEN I BURN CDs I HAVE NO GAP IN BETWEEN THE SONGS. So I guess that would be the official time of the CD. - Weatherman289 22:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

People who keep changing the time of the album need a back up of what they have of the time. Once again as I stated my CD has no gaps in between the tracks so the OFFICIAL TIME is 43:57 on the album PLEASE STOP CHANGING IT!

- Weatherman289 23:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

In iTunes it's 43:51.Chris Nelson 00:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

omg 6 seconds, dear lord, some silence at the begining of the tracks, perhaps hmmmmm dunno just wanted to be included 71.206.136.69 00:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

43:51 is right. Shouldn't the info be right? There's no way for iTunes to be wrong about that.Chris Nelson 00:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

now that it leaked for real all that clutter is just waste 71.206.136.69 01:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I really can't translate the .xx that iTunes gives. Also i know it's not in this area but how is given up the next single and does anyone have proof of it? - Weatherman289 13:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

OK I'm defiantly not changing the time, if you're changing the time then what you have is FAKE! The Leak's time is 43:57 and iTunes time is 43:51 so that's what the values should be. If you change the time please discuss it first and leave a note of proof where you got the time. Also whoever removed "Given Up" as a single you get "PROPS" from me. - Weatherman289 15:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Whoever semi-protected the article just did a HUGE favor to the active contributors of this page who actually don't add crap. Thanks! R-Tiztik 22:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, to whoever CAN edit the article should take out a bit of the fine print at the bottom of the tracklisting, as it has basically been confirmed on LP's official Pre-Order page at Bandmerch.com. Source: http://bandmerch.com/java2/BandMerch/linkinparkexclusive/?referrer=&content=/store/css5/ProductPage.jsp&product=2887 - Anonymous

On the tracklisting, a user with the authority to edit the article added this "This track listing is, as of yet, unconfirmed by the band themselves."

Can anybody who has the power to edit the page remove that sentence please? That tracklisting is the one that appeared on US iTunes store (I don't think they'd screw that up) and the link at the top (http://lptimes.com/news2007/april/news04042007.html), is an extract from Kerrang with the band members discussing these tracks. So, it's pretty fair to say that the tracks HAVE indeed been confirmed by the band members themselves. Please edit.

I don't understand why whoever it was added that it was unconfirmed, but I've removed it. Thanks for noticing. R-Tiztik 00:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

i requested the protection because of the repeated street team referral links; why did you revert the itunes bonus tracks and the passive phrasing for where you could read the descriptions of the tracks? it seems to fit better with the rest of wp as passive, rather than by somewhat breaking the fourth wall. Impasse 03:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. I've tweaked the text above the tracks where the link to descriptions is provided so that it represents the neutrality of Misplaced Pages. As for the placing mention of the iTunes bonus tracks in small text under the track listing? The titles haven't been revealed yet so there's no use in adding it directly to the track list. When the titles have been revealed they can be combined to the track list (also when a valuable source is provided, seeing as how people thought it would be funny to vandalize the bonus track titles, when the 2 tracks were directly part of the track listing). R-Tiztik 06:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

For that matter, I added a citation needed tag to that little tid-bit. Also, can someone tell me what is the importance of April 19th, 2007? If there is no significant importance of this date, then why not extend it till say... between May 8th and May 14th? Evilgohan2 17:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sound

To the people who have the leak, do you find the sound disappointing or refreshing? i love it, its not better or worse, just different. Jesus' Home Boy January 1st 0001everywhere

It's different but in a good way. I haven't been able to cut it off. I think some tracks are stinkers... but for the most part an overall good album. I personally think meteora was their best work. also if you want to say something "personal" please make a statement about the article. Like... This album sounds different than their last maybe we should say something about it.-Weatherman289 11:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Do one thing.......... listen to the album thrice and you will be encaptivated forever, some tracks are better than even numb and in the end............--Sharmask7777 12:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

In my honest opinion, this is their best album. They really matured, they couldn't have manipulated their old sound in any other way. The song Shadow of the Day is what I see as a formal goodbye to their old sound. I like this album so much, and I'm a die hard LP fan..--Hamada333 02:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

yea i agree, i LOVE Leave out all the rest, i couldnt help but think of when goku died in dbz in cell saga when it was playing. great song, and bleed it out is fuckin sweet to, very upbeat, with a bit of downer lyrics Whitey?? where!

Not to be rash, but Misplaced Pages isn't a forum for personal discussions. Rather, you should go to my Facebook group Countdown to "Minutes to Midnight" and discuss it there. I made a Eat Me, Drink Me one a while back and so last night I made this one. Looking for more potential members and since everyone is prone to bombard Wiki with their takes on the album, maybe I can herd a people there as well :P R-Tiztik 18:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Parental Advisory

Nice to see this, not because I wanna hear them swear all the time but because when you listen to there albums and then hear them live its like two different bands, there albums make them too child friendly and P.C but live you hear the true them, so I'm glad this album is getting away from the friendly radio and Mtv style bullshit. Aa-Lewis 7 April 2007

Misplaced Pages is not a forum. 68.13.147.241 23:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Crack that whip, mr. 68.13.147.241. :p Exigence 20:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a tag on the cover. Why would they just start cursing now and not since the beginning? Is this one of the changes they're talking about?--CJ K 22:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

There's other variants of the album cover that feature the Parental Advisory sticker. Some albums that feature heavy profanity don't even have the sticker (Slipknot's Iowa record is a perfect example). Linkin Park did in fact feature explicit lyrics in the beginning (Xero and Hybrid Theory EP respectively) but upon the release of their first major label debut they didn't feature any, probably to appeal to more audiences. "High Voltage" (which features profanity) was initially track 10 on Hybrid Theory, but the band removed it before the release. The song can still be found as a bonus track on the Japan import edition of the record. Chester and Mike aren't shy to swearing during live performances either, on Live In Texas one of the vocalists (I can't remember which it was) swore while conversing with the crowd; this was semi-edited but one can make this out (It might have been while introducing "P5HNG ME A*WY" but again I really don't remember). R-Tiztik 22:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

As previously mentioned, High Voltage features profanity. Also, in Live Performances, expample song being: "Place for My Head" in which at the end, Chester adds "Mother Fucker" at the end. In addition, Right before closing, Mike informed Dallas that they "are the shit" and are "fucking amazing". Evilgohan2 02:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

As the sticker was clearly visible in the previous image displayed and the commercial albums prior to the subject can be verified to not display those stickers, I'm going to remove the "citation needed" tag on the reasonably simple-to-deduce factoid. .Absolution. 09:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

who really gives a shit about swearing, anyway? DragonDance 17:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The PTC (Whom for professionalism reasons, I'll keep my opinion to my self on). Just ask Rage Against The Machine... Evilgohan2 02:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The PA sticker could be on the back, like Collision Course. RichV 20:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but Collision Course was a DVD so it's already arbitrary from the format of common albums. It doesn't matter where the PA sticker is situated anyways, the discussion is as to why this record could possibly be parental advisory as a first for Linkin Park. R-Tiztik 21:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it PA'd simply for swearing, or is it for other types of explicit lyrics? Ninety_{My ToDo} 00:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's PA'd strictly for swearing so far from what information is out. R-Tiztik 02:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That's good; I just can't seem to bring myself to imagine LP singing (and/or rapping) about those other forms of explicity. As well, that will make it easier to talk my parents into letting me buy it. Cheers!!  :) 67.8.205.97 23:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to sign in before making that last comment. Cheers!!!!  :) Ninety_{My ToDo} 23:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well "Given Up" is a song that can be interpreted as being about suicide (given the intensity of the content of the track), but that's just one interpretation. Knowing the direction of this record, this theme can be seen as part of a "bigger picture" in the sense of "starting over" per se. I guess to the RIAA it doesn't matter. If a song sounds like it's interpretation is of negative concept, it's explicit all the same. Knowing LP there will be an edited version to appeal to the "cleaner" audiences like the standard versions of their prior studio albums though. R-Tiztik 02:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Why should this album receive a Parental Advisory (PA)? I mean there's not that much cussing/swearing. Maybe it's another RIAA mistake. Or just a ploy to get the album in more hands of younger people. iTunes has a clean Version on Pre-Order and you still get the exclusive tracks. - Weatherman289 14:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The fact that there is any swearing is probably enough. Or maybe you're right, there is some kind of massive conspiracy. Rehevkor 14:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've checked Amazon.com and they don't say it has a PA, yet the All Music Guide claims that it does. So we'll have to wait and see what happens.

METALCORE?

This isn't even close at all...sounds very pop rock and stuff. Remove that genre now. 128.205.145.154 18:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the song Given Up could be considered a metalcore song, but as it is only one song out of 12, I don't think it should be listed as a genre for the album.

Chicken Twinky 21:53, 4 May 2007

Basically, whatever Linkin Park has been, that's what this album is NOT. Disappointing.Chris Nelson 02:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC) True there is only one song that can be tagged as metalcore yet the other songs are typical Alternative Rock (excluding NO more sorrow, Given up and Bleed it out) NOT pop rock. BTW this is their best work yet you must be really dull to think its "disapointing"

EHEM, it's NOT their best work, Meteora is their best work.Tonich03 13:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Tonich03, this album isn't Linkin Park's best work, not to undermine the album because it isn't a bad record at all. Personally I am one of the disappointed population of the fan community. This album is good in it's own way, as it's incredibly diverse. I think this is just one of those albums whose songs will sound much better when they're performed live-- and that isn't a bad thing at all. R-Tiztik 15:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I never knew they can write an album better than meteora, but they did.................. its perhaps the best works by them. i love the songs.............. though i don't support leaks, i downloaded it, and ill wait for the itunes edition to come out.

I think there is some content here that'd be good for the Insanity page.Chris Nelson 18:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

LOL Chrisj, and for the record, "Given Up" isn't even close to metalcore. See Chimaira, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, or even the metalcore bands page for examples of metalcore. Just because the breakdown at the end of one song is significantly heavier than the rest of it, don't mean you should go around classifying the entire record metalcore. R-Tiztik 18:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

btw meteora was NOT their best, if it wasnt minutes, it was theory. and at best given up is a bit more of their old soundSpeaketh now to me! 18:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I guarantee you this: If Minutes to Midnight was a debut album by a band, they would never get very big. Linkin Park would never have been this successful of they came out with Minutes to Midnight first. And you know why? Because it's simply not that good. It's not nearly as creative or unique, nothing about it sticks out, and some of it is downright lame. Hybrid Theory, I think, may be one of the best albums by the decade. Meteora was a fantastic follow-up. I mean think about a kickass song like "Faint". When you first heard it, you knew it was going to be huge. There are NO songs like that on Minutes to Midnight. Quite simply, it's a boring and plain album. I envy you if you can actually enjoy it. Unfortunately, Hybrid Theory and Meteora will have to hold me over until they return to form, if that ever happens.Chris Nelson 19:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Most of the album is soft and suttle; sounding like they went back to the sounds of the particular old track "My December". Even some of the rhyming they used seemed a little amateur for such an extended period of time to have been writing. "Given Up" is okay, "What I've Done" is overplayed, and "No More Sorrow" sounds like AFI (who I in fact like so this isn't a bad thing lol). These three tracks are the only standout songs on the record. "Bleed It Out" does too sort of, but it's basically a redux of Fort Minor, with an unrelated 2-line chorus. Linkin Park has always been an outstanding band and even though they became famous for their rapcore/nu-metal sounds, extending to different genres isn't exactly "wrong".. But this change was so abrupt. I've always been a fan of Rick Rubin's productions, but I think for the sake of the band's sound they should possibly consider Don Gilmore returning as producer on subsequent albums. Linkin Park has always remained a strong band despite 4 years of no releases, so the best way to look at this I find is that there will be future albums, be it only one, or more. Minutes to Midnight isn't the final Linkin Park record, and that provides hope. R-Tiztik 19:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

probably the reason that is sounds just so freaking different is that mike is singing a lot and Chester's is not screaming. I'm listening to them both right now and like old way more, retract previous statement. and if minutes is the last album it'll be because some crazy lunatic girl killed a member because of the album's change(you know the kind of person im talking about). that would stop `em because they don't seem like the band to go on with out an original member, unlike Queen Speaketh now to me! 19:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Lol yeah I guess there's that to consider, but really negative things like that seem a bit rash. Basically other than tragedies (fatalities, which seems very extreme and unlikely, creative differences, label disbandings) a fourth studio album will be in the works within the next few years (album #1 (2000), album #2 (2002), album #3 (2003), album #4 (2003), album #5 (2005), album #6 (2007)). The band remains fairly consistent with their releases and now that they've returned to the spotlight (we'll see how the public reacts to the album when it is released in its entirety though), it shouldn't be that long before we see another release. It seems this band works better under pressure, something we don't see people admit. Linkin Park needs more assertion, but I won't tell them how they should do their job, I just hope they can meet their old style and their new style at a halfway point or something, if they honestly want to change. R-Tiztik 19:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

yea, (man ur people write alot!!myspace-ers) but does live in texas count as an album i thought it was just a concert on CD? and collision course diddnt feature and new work, tho it sounded great.. Speaketh now to me! 20:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Geuhh I hate MySpace lol. Live in Texas is still a release so I counted it. Regardless, Meteroa was released earlier that year so they still had a 2003 studio album. Collision Course again I counted because it was simply a Linkin Park release; Even Reanimation wasn't a studio album. The idea though is that despite not releasing a studio album since 2003, Linkin Park have remained fairly consistent with their releases, so we can expect something, anything, by 2009 (excluding LPU EP's which are released every year. R-Tiztik 20:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

all right i get what ur saying. so yea pray to whoever your god is that their will be more, unless you have no god, then start a petition, or be lazy and go see spider man 3 again. imma go with three.
P.S. i hate myspace tooSpeaketh now to me! 20:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Guys, my thoughts were the same when i first heard the album, i asked w\questions like y did they become too soft et al.... but let me tell you........................... the album is having a slow intoxicating effect on me.......... some songs are too soft i agree...... but they are not bad...... i love hard rock, but this new- genre still manages to encaptivate me.... i dunno y.--Sharmask7777 13:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I've listened to the entire album a couple of times and it still isn't growing on me. I tried. R-Tiztik 20:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

AOL Review

When did AOL review Minutes to Midnight? Unless there is a link to verify this the starred review needs to be taken off. --SayCheese 23:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably came from this review of What I've Done. ErleGrey 00:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

That is the average user rating so it really doesn't count. --SayCheese 03:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How can users rate the album? It isn't out nor has it leaked hahahaha. It's just silly. R-Tiztik 04:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe how behind you are on the news of this album, you guys are constantly questioning new information being added

Misplaced Pages standards are that all general information be sourced to prove its authenticity. You could write anything but sources help to denote true information from vandalism and mistakes.

Trivia section

This is not the first time Mike will sing lead vocals.

Songs such as; Step Up, High Voltage, Dedicated, It's Going Down feature Mike having the role of being the lead vocalist.

Please edit that statement in the trivia section as it is false. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.224.122 (talk) 07:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Edit it yourself. Why can't you do it?--DannyBoy7783 08:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The page is protected. Unregistered/Newly registered user can't edit the page. R-Tiztik 13:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you ignorant person

Note the key word SINGS. This won't be the first time he's a lead vocal (rap-wise), but it WILL be his first time SINGING vocals. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.110.196.155 (talk) 17:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

How do you know that's what he/she meant by "sings." This could just denote that Mike performed the lead vocals in general. Until the album (or the track itself) is heard there's no knowing for sure. R-Tiztik 18:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

He's SINGING on this track. There's a track-by-track overview of the album from Kerrang! Magazine where it is said that he 'sings.' "Chester: I knew that Mike should really sing this song. I tried it once, I did a good job, but it just didn’t have the power of Mike’s performance because he really believed what he was singing. Whatever it is that the motherfucker is apologising for on this track, he’s fucking serious! It comes from the most sincere and heartfelt place." Source - http://lpassociation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24261 (link to a scan of the article in post) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.187.174.94 (talk) 16:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Hmm, I wonder why they never seem to have more than 12 songs on major albums. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I guess it's just the band's preference. Not that I'm a big fan of Slipknot anymore, but they did the same thing, albeit with each major label studio album containing 14 tracks. R-Tiztik 13:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Metora had 13 tracks, if you count session.71.206.136.69 06:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well if you count that little 11 second (or something like that) intro to Meteora, then you pretty much have to count "Session", being a much more established track haha — so 13 tracks it is. R-Tiztik 15:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

hmmm yea i suppose i forgot about it cause it just sounds like the beginning to Don't Stay buy take out the instrumentals and the first two each have 11 tracks, with minutes having 12(counting the instrumental "Wake Up") otherwise its 11 with that two, pattern?? 71.206.136.69 05:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

12, 13, 12... What the next album (if there is one) will have 13? I guess we'll see when they announce a 4th album. Oh to add this CD is OK... but Meteora was their best work. - Weatherman289 22:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

dude ur daft, if this wasnt the best it was Hybrid Theory hands down!Speaketh now to me! 18:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia is unreferenced

I am adding a {{references}} tag to the Trivia section. If someone could find sources for the information please go ahead and add them. --RazorICE 07:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Half of the trivia section is based on "xx" will be the first Link Park song to feature.... so on. You can't source that. If you listen to the leak or buy the album on the 15th (or before depending what country to live in), that's how you source that. R-Tiztik 16:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The sources are the songs...Chris Nelson 17:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, but the album isn't out yet, it leaked but it isn't out still. You can't exactly link to the song and use that as a reference. If the album were out it would be common knowledge, but it isn't so people just have to believe it. R-Tiztik 17:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Heads Up: Links

One of the links at the bottom of the page is incorrectly noted as the official 'Minutes to Midnight' page, when in fact it is just as fan-site. I'm willing to delete it, but I don't want to get yelled at lol.--Twenty8 02:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Twenty8 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

if i'm not mistaken, fansites get removed. it's not there now, and shouldn't be added back in. FyreNWater 07:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm just asking before I edit... but shouldn't the Links be before that whole Linkin Park chart dealie<--(Not Real Word)? Also, how I would go about moving a section if needed?-Weatherman289 11:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Singles

I know "What I've Done" is a single that's burning up radio stations but, does any one have proof that "Given Up" is the next single. If I don't hear anything I'll remove it. More than likely we'll have to get ALL of our info from Linkin Park's Website. If we don't then it's all just a rumor. - Weatherman289 14:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, there is no proof so I've removed it for the hundredth time. R-Tiztik 15:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, that's strange, I heard Given Up on the radio today, 5 May 2007. Possibly got that track form the leak? Thomsonmg2000 22:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

It's been playing on the radio for a few days (before the leak anyways), this isn't enough proof to say this song will be the next single though. The probability is bumped up due to radio play, but Wiki isn't a crystal ball. R-Tiztik 00:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Strange... I guess North Carolina's radio stations are a little behind. I haven't heard anything besides "What I've Done" and that took a month after the single was released to even get played.-Weatherman289 11:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Lyrics

http://www.metrolyrics.com/minutes-to-midnight-album-linkin-park.html. i didnt know if this should be in the article

Lyrics don't belong on Misplaced Pages, well maybe this link could go in the External Links section. Regardless I've been looking for the written lyrics so this is nice. R-Tiztik 05:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

allright ill put it thereRauj16 05:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC) edit: its there Edit2:when i find eat me ones ill add that to it as well fell MM fan

Lyrics don't belong on Misplaced Pages. There is a lyric site, but I don't think it's associated with Misplaced Pages, but it's LyricWiki. There you should find lyrics. Minutes to Midnight is on there. They're still in the editing stages but they'll get it right... I hope this helps out a little.-Weatherman289 10:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

of course lyrics shouldnt be here but a link probably should, simply because it is directly related to the article, and your source is complete. include it.talk

OK I got the link to the album. Just giving a heads up before I change the "Lyrics" link.-Weatherman289 10:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

What was wrong with the last list of lyrics?Speaketh now to me! 22:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning

if some topics are irrelevant, or impossible to purposefully discuss, shouldn't they be removed, they take up space.Speaketh now to me! 18:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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