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Teacher

The article mentions that one of bin baz's teachers was Shanqiti. This is incorrect. His teachers included Muhammad ibn Ibraheem, al-ateeq, abdurrahman ibn hasan aal Shaikh etc.

hagiography

This article is pure Salafi hagiography, save for Striver's Shi'a-POV edit at the top. It completely fails to put Ibn Baz in any kind of context. There are many Muslims who feel that the kind of Islam he espoused is narrow, rigid, and intolerant, and have no respect for him whatsoever. This should find a place in the article. Zora 21:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree w/ Zora. Many Muslims don't agree with bin baz's fatwas, and not for being too "conservative" or anything like that, but just for ignoring certain evidence and going against the ijma (consensus) of scholars.

An anon editor deleted the above comments and replaced them with:

Shaykh bin baaz is one of the greatest islamic scholars in the past century. He is accepted and respected by the majority of muslims i.e. Ahl sunnah. Allah yarhammu. Those who speak ill of him (the minority of so called muslims) seing as he has passed away only raise his swaab and harm themselves.

Anon, comments on talk pages are to be left as they are; only the original author can edit them. If you do this again, you could be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Zora 03:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio 17 July 2005

An anon editor inserted a whole lot of information about bin Baz on 17 July 2005. Unfortunately, it was all lifted verbatim from this site. Per the copyvio policy for existing pages, I reverted to the last non-copyvio version. Just FYI. --Skoosh 03:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

There is already a Ibn Baz article

Actually, this article should be merged with Ibn Baz, which I just found. People are more likely to look for Ibn Baz then they are for the whole dang name. Zora 03:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Lets standardize this name to Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz. --Striver 17:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

No respons in almost a half year, so ill go ahead. --Striver 07:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Merged

Merged tidied and partly verified. Needs more work. Hijri dates need to be converted. Also mention his support of the dreaded Mutawwa (religious police).--Anjouli 16:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab needs to be merged into this article. --Striver 15:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Why? He is a historical character. Ibn Baaz is a modern character. They are two completely different people.--Anjouli 07:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Lol, sorry, messed up, thought they both where bin Baz.... *feeling stupid* :P --Striver 13:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Sun

This is the Ibn Baz article. Topics related to him is to be presented her. You have not a single valid argument for removing that statment. --Striver 14:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hullo Manojano1

M, I heavily copyedited your contribution, both because there were no references (any cites for the crying episode?)) and because it seemed to be written from a Salafi point of view that is critical of the Saudi government. The wording used implied that the reader SHOULD share your feelings about Salafism, government policies, recent political events, etc. I tried to remove all the assumptions and give a completely neutral description. I may not have succeeded, of course. In particular, I may have "unpacked" your views incorrectly, in assuming that you would describe yourself as a Salafi, that the reformists spoke from that viewpoint, etc. Perhaps you were referring to secularist viewpoints, if there are such in Saudi Arabia? Zora 09:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a great beginning

( he was a Muslim scholar and a staunch opponent of Shias and Mut'ah. He legalized the Misyar marriage.) I think this part of the article is extremely misplaced , I really dont think it is the most prominant part of the sheiks life or what he represented . He lived a long and very full life , and beginning the article with such a trivial peice of information is inappropriate !Hhnnrr 16:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

That was placed there by a Shi'a editor who is willing to revert indefatigably in defense of his edits. It was left to avoid a fight. Since the editor involved is now embroiled in a 9/11 controversy, it might be safe to remove that bit which IS intrusive. Zora 19:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I understand the argument of that this is supposed to be NPOV. However, it is also supposed to be something that is an educational resource where one can derive benefit. If we need to put every POV, regardless of how revelant it is, the worth of the project will be lost. I think that is a small part of his life and should be removed. Since no one has objected, I can do it. ZaydHammoudeh 00:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Scratch above. I did not know it had been changed already. Sorry. ZaydHammoudeh 00:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

would someone mind doing that , i have an open proxy Hhnnrr 13:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

2.6 Death

Dont you think that this section sounds too baised? Difference of opinion is one thing but entry in section 2.6 is just leading, provocative and just too sarcastic to be a part of any encyclopedia. I suggest it should be re-written with dignity showing the respect which should be offered to a scholar no matter which school of thought he belonged too. Saqibsohail 07:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Flat earth allegations

Does anyone have an independent authority on the meaning of his infamous "flat earth" fatwa? He claimed that he did not say that the earth was flat, and that he didn't even declare those who affirm its rotation to be unbelievers, although he holds that position to be false. He claimed that he just declared any who say that the sun does not revolve around the earth to be unbelievers (the motion of the sun around the earth in a "course" being " with the clarity of the Noble Qur’an and the pure authentic Sunnah which both prove that the sun and the moon both run on a course")

If you look on Muslim flat earth theories you will find more on this topic, apparently there was never a fatwa on the issue, just a misunderstood interview. But the letter on the website referenced appears to be from the Mufti. So he's not a flat-earther, just a geocentrist. That puts him in agreement with the Medieval Catholics... --Slashme 12:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Disputed

Dates of birth and death

Could someone check the conversion from islamic calendar to the Gregorian calendar. One source lists his date of death as May 13, rather than May 12. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 15:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Major edits recently

I noticed that a long series of large edits to the article were done recently. For the most part they look good and surprisingly balanced but they also seem to lack sources almost entirely. I will get to working on fixing that soon but in the future please come to the talk page first with any major edits or restructuring. MezzoMezzo 21:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

rev of flat earth, gulf war and ObL sections

62.150.9.30 deleted every issue remotely controversial or of interest to the uninformed reader from the article. I have replaced them. --Leroy65X 23:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Good job, that completely slid past me. MezzoMezzo 04:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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