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User:The Sunshine Man/Talkheader

Your response

Actually, my real motives for asking the question, was because I havn't recieved any new messages recently, and I miss the little orange bar that says "You have a new message". Gherkin30 18:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add this just to see the new message icon, it is highly inappropriate and wll most likely confuse Wikipedians when they could be contributing in a worthwhile way instead of sending you messges just to see the orange new message bar. Kindest Regards - The Sunshine Man 18:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Thank you for your help really thanks. Hey can you give me your e-mail address i have one I will give it to you if you give yours to me. Thanks. --Abubblegum 16:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

AIV

Ah, sorry about that - usually I just put it at the top, but will keep it in mind in future :) ≈ The Haunted Angel 20:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Great! Just thought I'd better tell you politely, I thought you should know for the future. Cheers! The Sunshine Man 09:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Jhfireboy/Admin Opposer Thanks

Barnstar thanks

Hi TSM! Thank you so much for the barnstar. I really appreciate it. I noticed you're new to the 'pedia, so if you ever need any help or second opinion on any issue, I'll be glad to help. :-) See you around. —Anas 17:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, your welcome for the Barnstar - it really is long overdue! Kindest regards. The Sunshine Man 17:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My first Barnstar! Thanks a lot for it, I;m just trying to clean a lot of the graft that seems to pop up in the new and recent changes Wildthing61476 17:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Again your welcome! You deserve it.The Sunshine Man 17:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates/Image:Baby goats jan 2007.jpg

I reverted your closure of this featured picture nomination and might revert others too. Unless this is an undeclared sockpuppet account you don't have the service time at WP:FPC to make those calls. ~ trialsanderrors 09:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I do not understand your comments on my user talk page, they seem uncivil, you are accusing me of sockpuppetry. Does it really matter whether I'm new or not, I closed a featured picture candidate which had been left not closed for much more than seven days and consensus was not in favour of promoting, you dont need to be an administrator to close candidates for feautred pictures, any users can do it. I shall re-close the nomination and again review the consensus and make a decision. Regards - The Sunshine Man 10:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet accounts are all undeclared secondary accounts, some are used against policy, others aren't, so there is no inherent accusation in pointing out that your contributions don't look like those of a typical new editor. But in either case, whether you have an alternative account or just started editing, you don't have the contribution record for the community to inspect, so trust in your decision making skills cannot be established. I recommend you participate in FPC discusions as an editor so that the community can judge your competence rather than just assert it yourself. ~ trialsanderrors 10:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't follow trialsanderrors statement at all. I don't believe there has ever been a service time requirement for WP:FPC. The closure was the "right" decision as there was no consensus for the image to be promoted. As long as it is closed properly, what does it matter? Which, by the way, {{fpc}} needs to be removed from the image pages.--PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If a closure goes against consensus, it can always be changed. I closed a FPC nom with the wrong decision before, someone brought it to my attention, I fixed it, no big deal. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

FirefoxRocks RfA

Haven't a clue why my edit reverted yours. It certainly wasn't intentional. -- LeCour 01:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Y OK, no hard feelings, I didnt mean to offend you and I've re-added my comments. Thanks a lot! Regards - The Sunshine Man 11:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Featured pictures

Hi, I noticed you've been closing some of the Featured Picture discussions. It seems that when you've been promoting the images, you've forgotten to update the count at the top of WP:FP. Could you please be sure to do that? That's not automatically updated by a bot or anything. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 16:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Y My apologies, I must of missed that in the instructions, I thought it was automatic like the counter at the top of WP:GA, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cheers! The Sunshine Man 16:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The FA count at the top of WP:GA isn't really automatic. It's only included from WP:FA, but that number is manually updated from what I can tell. And the GA count is also manually updated. It would be nice if we had a bot that does it, though. howcheng {chat} 17:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Would be much easier I agree, however when you go to edit WP:GA it transcludes information from a template about the number of GA's so I thought it was automatic.The Sunshine Man 17:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

helpme Response from Daysleeper47

I would very much appreciate at least a temporary protection from ip and new users on my user page. Cheers, --Daysleeper47 17:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Mountain of Madness

Hey, you haven't added the article to WP:GA. Also in your your review you used the GA failed template, but you passed on every criteria and added the GA banner, so it take it that you did actaully pass it. Gran 21:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Age of Mythology GA

You mentioned here that it passed 5 of the 6 criteria. Just to clarify, does this mean that when we fix up the problems with the {{fact}} template, it will be GA ready? ~ G1ggy! _{Reply | Powderfinger!} 23:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you clarify this sometime soon? ~ G1ggy! _{Reply | Powderfinger!} 23:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:RFA

Hello, I've removed my neutral comments from your RfA and changed it to support, I was being to picky and I think you handled it really well. Good luck, The Sunshine Man 12:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Sunshine Man- as I said on the RFA page, I hadn't thought about it like that- XFD being more a place of discussion. I'll do as you said in future, and clarify more.

Cheers :) CattleGirl 00:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Closing of tomato nomination

Hi Sunshine Man,
Could you please provide your reasoning for a non promotion of here? I count them up as follows: Support - 15 votes, Oppose 5 votes, 3 weak opposes, which makes a supermajority by two support votes. Furthermore, some of the oppose votes were not reflective of the criteria set out in WP:FP?. --Fir0002 08:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

N Many of the votes were against it and many for it, the dont have to follow the criteria but many of the oppose comments were valid and saying about the texture of the image, I counted up 14 in support, 8 oppose, this is more than half opposing and therefore does not meet the required 2/3 approximately of support, it had more than 4 supports but a promotion did not seem in order, if you still day agree you could require a review and then consider re-nominating it later and see how it turns out, I dont mean to offend you but I was making a decision based on community consensus. Kind regards - The Sunshine Man 11:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you quite understand the closing procedure. First, nominator's, even self nominator's, vote counts. Second the 2/3 supermajority is formed like this. Hence the "scores" are 15*1 = 15 for support. 5*2 + 3*1 = 10 + 3 = 13. Thus it has consensus by 2 support votes. Please make sure you understand procedures before committing yourself to the task of closing nominations, particularly those which aren't clear cut. Lastly, Misplaced Pages:Picture peer review is not for the funciton you described. It's a step lower than FPC where those unsure of themselves can put up photos for comment before submission to FPC - essentially it's there to weed out nominations which don't have a snowball's chance --Fir0002 07:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

N I do understand the closing procedure of FPC's, yes I am new here but I am still familiar with it, you may wish to contact User:MER-C as he/she is a regular FPC closer and see what he thinks, I dont want this to turn into a conflict and I do not want any negative feelings to be caused either.The Sunshine Man 09:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that will be necessary, see I too closed many nominations. Did you read the link I sent? Please do. That was were it was established that:

1. Support: 1 points
2. Weak support: 0.5 points
3. Neutral: 0 points
4. Weak oppose: -1 points
5. Oppose: -2 points

And if you add up the votes and the sum is equal to or greater than 0 you get a 2/3 supermajority. ]. Hence the "scores" are 15*1 = 15 for support. 5*2 + 3*1 = 10 + 3 = 13. And 15-13 is 2 (ie greater than 0 and a supermajority). Oh, make sure you read the comments below the above summary where it was discussed and agreed that strong supports/opposes did not count for any more than normal supports/oppose. I don't want it to turn into a conflict either, just point out a few things you should learn before closing noms! --Fir0002 10:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is here. MER-C 12:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Bon Scott

In case it isn't on your watchlist, I thought I should tell you that I just addressed a question to you at Talk:Bon Scott. I'm keen to hear your response. Hesperian 12:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I've addressed your concerns which entailed only a few minutes of moving references around. I trust that you will respond as requested. —Moondyne 14:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Y OK, I have left comments on the article talk page and it seems the appropriate changes have been made to article (that was quick - and excellent) so the article now meets the good article criteria. Thanks! The Sunshine Man 15:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your review and the nice comments. Regards —Moondyne 01:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:WIAGA, 2b says "cites reliable sources for quotations and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, preferably using inline citations for longer articles" (my emphasis). I still find it strange for you to be failing GAC's given that the article was (is) adequately referenced. It seems the issue is more a very minor one of style rather than missing content.

I don't wish to hound you as I can see that you are doing a great job helping with the backlog of GAC's and I really appreciate the work you do. But I would like to discuss this further if possible. —Moondyne 02:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Marcus dwayne dixon

I switched the tag on the article, seeing as it is a copy and paste from http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1073944821942 (not to mention a recreation). The thing is, he IS worthy enough of an article, being covering in numerous media outlets, that article just needs to be written to Misplaced Pages standards. Wildthing61476 16:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou!

Ooh, my first barnstar, how exciting! My pleasure for reverting the vandalism! --Samtheboy 17:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome, you greatly deserve it! The Sunshine Man 18:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Renal Tubular Acidosis

Thanks for review, even if it failed GA-you failed it on factual accuracy with the comment Many statements in the first two sections are unsourced, just so I can fix the article-did you mean the first two paras of the intro, which are unsourced, or sections 1 and 2 (ie dRTA and pRTA)-which are fairly well sourced-if it's the latter, could you point out which bits I need to source better, if you've got a mo? ThanksFelixFelix 21:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Down and Dirty Duck

I have addressed the issues that have been brought up. Please take a look at the current revision and re-review its GA status. (Ibaranoff24 21:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

Some friendly advice

Sunshine Man, I hate to dampen your enthusiasm, but I strongly suggest that you stop closing debates and reviewing GAC's until you have some more experience. Many long term users will find it discourteous for their articles to be reviewed by an editor who has been here for less than a week and who cannot possibly fully understand all of the policies and guidelines we need to follow.

In the meantime, I suggest that you restrict yourself to editing articles and reverting vandalism and leave the other stuff to editors with broader experience. —Moondyne 09:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Seconded from the FPC corner!! --Fir0002 10:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The way you are putting me aside just because I'm new is uncivil and unfair, you dont have to be a b'crat to know policy or make a fair decision, I'm going to comment on WP:ANI about this.The Sunshine Man 11:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

That reaction just reinforces my advice. You need to contribute in other areas for a while and build your experience before getting too involved in the more administrative tasks. I am sorry if you took my suggestion the wrong way but it was genuinely given in good faith. Of course you are free to complain to whoever you like, but I would expect the advice will be the same. —Moondyne 13:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent Events

Sunshine Man, I am sorry you have felt attacked or unwelcomed. Please no that that was not anyone's intent. You seem to be an eager, and potentially very helpful editor. There are some decisions on wikipedia which people look for someone to make who has more experience than you currently have. The reason for this is not because new users have no value to the project. Rather, it is because there are some things that can only be learned through experience. For example - a wide range of articles are submitted for GA status, and it takes some experience to learn to finesse the difference between a decent article and a GA. In particular, getting involved in writing articles is something that can only help. In writing articles, you learn all the things that go into a GA.

I hope that you will not leave the project, but will rather get involved with a WP:Wikiproject and work on providing content for the encyclopedia. With time, you will learn the policies better and elarn more about how articles are written, improved, and evaluated. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Pastor David 15:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I would like to echo David's comments. You are truly one of the most ambitious new contributors that I have ever met and I would hate to see you leave. It is disturbing the way people went about addressing their concerns to you. I disagree with you being asked not to close any FPC nominations. If consensus is clear and you close it that way, I don't see the issue. However, I do agree that it may be a good idea to stay away from the more contentious nominations, at least for a few weeks until you have a little more experience (and credibility, so to speak) under your belt. Determining consensus is a very difficult task and it is something that generates a lot of controversy anytime it is a close call. For example, one of the reasons that many "voters" at WP:RfA require that people have months of experience before becoming an admin is that admins have the power to determine consensus on WP:AfD, etc. It takes time to get a feel for the community as you often have to rely on intuition. Determining consensus isn't just about supermajority or any pre-determined formulas.

I'll give my two cents on two of your more recent contentious closures. I fully agree with the goat image not being promoted. I felt that the opposers had very valid objections. For the tomato nomination, I felt that image was technically very well done and if I were closing the nomination, I would have promoted it. The opposers just had a weaker rationale in this situation.

Anyway, I hope you don't leave for good. If you do return, you might want to consider another aspect of Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages has many various sub-cultures, so your experience might be different. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to see that you are sticking around. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Press Pass

Greetings. I believe you accidentially mislabeled the Press Pass GA review; I have corrected it. If you believe my revision to be in error, please let me know. Thanks, --Xiaphias 06:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Things you seem to be missing

I can't spot one of these on your talk page:

Barnstar moved to my userpage with thanks...!

Also it seems kind of wrong not to have an 'official welcome', even though it probably is rather too late for you ;)

Hello, The Sunshine Man, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Cheers, Petros471 11:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

PS. I manged to get into a bit of bother as well, diving in a bit too deep into some things at the beginning. The great thing about this place though is that generally doesn't matter, as someone else will correct you and then (usually) forget about it :) Petros471 11:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy endings

Indeed, and welcome back (I truly mean that). I was worried when you blanked your page that you may have decided that enough was enough. Good people like you are what makes this a nice place to hang out so all I can say is: "see you round the 'pedia". —Moondyne 15:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and sing out if you need any help at any time. —Moondyne 15:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikilove

Hey its me9999 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Your welcome for the smile you are a really nice person and i thought you could use one. Thanks and Bye.--Hey its me9999 16:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

im ready =] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duggie647 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Images

Hi Sunshine! (if I may...)

I use Corel Paint Shop Pro X, but it's just as easy to do in The GIMP.

First, download the Dymo label font (GF Ordner Normal) - from here for instance.

Open a nice big transparent empty image. Add the text you want with a subtle gradient fill as it gives a nice 3D impression. Now draw a white box slightly smaller than the text and send it behind the text image. Merge the visible layers into one and rotate the result slightly. Apply a nice perspective shadow. Save as a PNG with alpha transparency. Upload to Misplaced Pages under a free licence. Done!

The result should look something like:

Hope this helps!  ⋐⋑ REDVEЯS 17:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

It's just a gradient. Pick a colour you like, then a slightly darker version (reduce the luminance or brightness). The software can be made to do a gradual fill between the two. The font itself does the rest, being inverted so that the surrounding is dark and the letters clear (thus the white box to drop behind the text to fill the letters in).  ⋐⋑ REDVEЯS 19:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

dude

i do

FPC

I'm a newbie over at Featured Picture Candidates, and I've closed one FPC so far. It took me about half of an hour, involved a really embaressing edit ], and I haven't done one since. Right now, Iapetus needs a close (promoted). I've been hesitating to do it because it just takes so long. I'm pretty sure absolutely everyone would be grateful and happy to see you close that as support. We, do, repeatedly, get huge backlogs on FPC, and it's because closing to promote is so much trouble. I don't think it's because finding consensus is usually difficult, so I think you could make a great contribution, in line with your extremely prolific and impressive contributions, by closing obvious nominations. I don't honestly know anything about seeing consensus in close nominations; I've yet to find a really clear policy on what a consensus means. I strongly suspect that people will only be comfortable with closers in close nominations if they know that closer. In other words, I suspect you have to contribute to voting before people will be comfortable with you closing close noms. I don't know if a self-proclaimed wiki-gnome will ever be known enough by the regular population of FPC to close contested noms. When people say slow down, they don't mean "slow down editing" they mean "do the uncontroversial work that needs to be done." I'm already impressed and intimidated by your contributions, so keep up the good work! Enuja 18:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Duggies Responces to help

Im so sorry. The Sunshine Man, and Yes im ready to learn =]Duggie647 19:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not Duggie647 00:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay i did the appointed task =] Duggie647 00:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Finished Duggie647 00:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Finished 20:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcomes of New Users

Sorry, I was having a brain-dead moment. I usually go to their talk pages but for some reason I only went to their user pages. Thanks for picking up the mistake. Jhfireboy I'm listening 22:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the review

Dear Sunshine Man, I feel indebted to you for your review of me and all the admonishion you gave. I have taken your advice about the mainspace edits, and I hope to get those up further. I also plan to continue what I am doing with DYK and creating articles, as well as assessment, just like you advised. So, once again, I thank you for you comments. Happy editing! —A • D 23:38, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The games we play

Re: and . It would have been a lot less painful if you had declared that a few days ago. I recall that we did cross swords briefly a couple of weeks ago and I wonder if that may have swayed your reaction and comment at AN/I.

I also feel that it is disingenuous of you to maintain your editor review with an opening of "... I have been here six days now and have made just over 600 edits" —Moondyne 08:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:RfA?

Hi there The Sunshine Man. It's good to see you again. Sorry for being a little late in my reply, I was upgrading my system to Windows Vista and had a little difficulty finding drivers for my dial-up modem. Yes you heard me, dial-up, which is actually the reason I wasn't too enthusiastic for an RfA. You know what, let's do this! I am going back to Canada in 40 days, and I will have a reliable broadband connection waiting for me there. Yes, I think now is a good time for my RfA. I am really humbled by your altruism. Your messages always seem to brighten my day. :-) Thank you so much my friend, I truly appreciate it. —Anas 12:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)