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--TomasBat (Talk) 13:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! Anchoress 14:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Template

Hello, Anchoress. I stole your template from the top of this page and put it on my talk page, but left you an exact copy. I managed to make mine look less appealing by randomly assigning a color without hitting preview. It could have been worse, I guess. Take care. ---Sluzzelin 17:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. :-)) I have no idea what you're talking about, so Happy Friday! Anchoress 17:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it is a Happy Friday, so back at you! I always get these terms mixed up: I meant the box(?) with the message "To allow other users...", not the template. ---Sluzzelin 18:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Right... I think you used the right word; you mean my notice at the top of the page v/v keeping convos together? I just didn't get what you meant by taking it and leaving a copy? Sorry, I put that thing up almost a year ago I think, and I don't even remember where I got it. Is it your template, and you changed your version and subst'd the old one on my page so it wouldn't change? Colour me confused (radioactive lemon confused lol). Anchoress 18:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, this is my fault. I didn't wish to confuse ... In fact I merely copied it from here, but wanted to see myself as the original's owner leaving you the fake, but that was pure TGIF lightheadedry. I did want to notify you. I will waste your time no longer and look forward to reading more contributions at the desks!. ---Sluzzelin 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no probs! Anchoress 18:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Er over the top

I don't think that was a very good idea to write in a public place, FYI. This isn't a disagreement with the facts, per se, but an experienced user expecting backlash. You might want to consider not participating - I'm opting out myself. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. You're talking about the AN/I thread? No problem. Anchoress 18:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I removed it. Why exactly do you think it wasn't a good idea? I don't care about backlash in any way, shape or form, BTW. Anchoress 18:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I was gunna say something about it too. The problem with making guesses about the cause of someone's behavior is that it's just way too easy for things to get ugly. And, they are just guesses, be they correct or not. We can't know what's in someone's head. Best to focus purely on observable behavior and keep speculations to ourselves. I realize you're just giving your opinions and trying to help, and I hope nobody jumps down your throat about it, but I'd seriously consider ammending that remark if I were you. Friday (talk) 18:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

PS- Oh, I see I was a bit late. Oh well, for what it's worth, I think your remarks were mostly fine, except for the speculation bits. Friday (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

EC. Well if you read my response to Hipocrite, I already removed it so I don't need to amend it. FWIW I absolutely don't mind backlash for giving my opinion, and I did say at the bottom of my post that I realised I was stepping into uncharted waters. I gave my opinion about something, I am happy to defend it or apologise for it. And also FWIW I think there is ample evidence that Lc is OCD (his multiple minor adjustments of entries), paranoid (his reactions to criticism), narcissistic (his grandstanding, the way he talks 'to the masses' on his talkpage), and suffering from a persecution complex (see above). But... bottom line is I had already removed it when you posted, so I guess unless a bunch of other people don't notice that or comment anyways, the matter is closed. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree fully with Friday and I think removing it was an A+ action. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK. Anchoress 18:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm so youre a psychaitrist as well as an editor?-And Im a obsessive-compulsive, paranoid narcissist with a persecution complex? Is that a personal attack or just your musings? So what treatment would you recommend Doctor?-Light current 19:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That comment was deleted by the author. I suggest you let it drop. Not every battle needs to be fought, and not every fight needs to be won - however, whoever walks away from this battle first will definetly win. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

And I suggest you drop. preferably from a great height 8-) Oh and I never win-- havent you learnt that yet. The Admins ALWAYS win--Light current 19:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Given that the cat is out of the bag, it's probably appropriate for you to apologize to LC for the comment that started this all - honestly, I would have been a little offended if it were about me. I was hopeful he wasn't going to see it and we could bygones the whole incident, but obviously we can't. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course. I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologise if Light current or anyone was the least bit offended by the content or phrasing of the comment I removed. Anchoress 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Need help please

I tried to fix a stupid mistake I made when I made the two archives at top, but it doesn't seem to have worked. Anchoress 19:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the redirects Talk:Anchoress/Archive02 and Talk:Anchoress/Archive01 that were a result of the page moves. Is that all you needed? Friday (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you so much. Can anyone do that or only admins? Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Links also fixed. —Centrx→talk • 19:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot both of you. I was in the middle of doing that when you did it, Centrx. Anchoress 19:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Only admins can technically delete (something which IMO needs fixed), but if you ever accidentally make a page, you can tag it with {{db-author}} and somebody will delete it. Friday (talk) 19:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, and for the quick responses. I can't believe how quick this was fixed! Anchoress 19:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Whoops

Hi. Sorry to rope you into a chat session there, just get so little opportunity to "talk" to ya! Since you are keeping your $0.02 to yourself (smile). --Justanother 21:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey NP. Anchoress 22:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Go me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!1

What the? XD --Jw21/PenaltyKillah_GO'NUCKSGO!! 17:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed prod on Natalie Talson‎;

Yup--newbie error on my part. Addere 02:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No probs; good luck and happy editing. Anchoress 02:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

UCFD

I have nominated a category you created, Category:Wikipedians who aren't administrators, for deletion. You can contribute to the discussion at Misplaced Pages:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 21:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the notification! Anchoress 22:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "unreferenced", "fact", "cleanup" etc., are best not "subst"ed. See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 16:32 27 February 2007 (GMT).

I don't subst the fact templates. As to the others, thanks for the info and I'll keep it in mind. Anchoress 02:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Environment

I have created a barnstar for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Environment. Please visit the talk page to vote for the barnstar since there are no votes for 2 months. OhanaUnited 20:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Will try to later. Anchoress 02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Eh, kids

... vandalising Misplaced Pages during study hall. I rolled that one back; drop me a note if he does it again and you want me to protect the page. And you were right about database lag! Cheers ... :) Antandrus (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

K. I wasn't sure if it was better to just correct the poopiness or revert the whole thing. Cheers back~! Anchoress 19:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Your Understanding

When I make a mistake, and I'm called on it, I never hesitate to admit my guilt. Yes, lowering myself to the level of others was wrong, and I admit that mistake.

Yet there's a serious injustice going on here at Misplaced Pages. Certain users are pretty much getting away with murder when it comes to incivility, yet the admins seem to be oblivious about it all. I actually got blocked today for calling someone a coward, which, admittedly, was wrong. Yet take a look at the shockingly disgusting exchange of insults on the RefDesk talk page in the discussion entitled "Not a soapbox". Why are certain users allowed to attack others as being "intellectually impoverished wankers", among dozens of other equally disgusting insults, without even getting so much as a warning, while, at the same time, my referring to someone as a "coward" (which, though admittedly insulting, is not the least bit vulgar) gets me blocked?

I hope you can understand how frustrating it can be to be forced to play on such an uneven playing field. Yes it was a mistake to call hipocrite a coward, I just lost my cool.

I just only wish that everyone were subject to the same rules. I honestly believe that if that were the case, much of this nonsensical hostility would disappear. The admins just don't seem to realize, but in ignoring Clio's insulting remarks, and given her young age, they're creating a monster. They're basically telling her that she can insult others to her heart's content and not get the slightest warning about it, because, as we all know, she's always right, and everyone else is always wrong.

These are the worst possible of messages to be sending a obnoxious, arrogant 24 year old girl. She's obviously intelligent, and one would hope, for her sake at least, that her intelligence be tempered with discipline and humility. If only an admin would send her a warning: "Look, Clio, you've got to tone it down, your insults of others are just as innapropriate as those directed at you. If you're criticized, that doesn't invariably mean that the world is out to get you in some sort "witch-hunt". You've got to learn to show some respect for others if you expect them to show respect for you". That's all.

Like I said, she's a very intelligent girl with a great deal of potential. And I wish her the best in achieving that potential. Yet she's desperately lacking in social skills. If someone doesn't finally put their foot down, put her in her place, and tell her when she's acting inappropriately, she'll never achieve that potential, and that would be a shame.

But there's only so much I can do. After all, I've done quite well for myself and live a happy and successful life. It's her life and happiness that are at stake here. I can try here and there, but without any support, and on top of that getting blocked for a silly mistake really doesn't help.

Anyway, I've gone on too long. I'd be really interested in your feedback, though.

Write back if you can.

Lewis Loomis 06:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Loomis51:

Thanks a lot for the reply, and your gracious actions. I know what you mean about 'taking the coaching'; it's been my operating philosophy at WP (and my compliance is pretty good, lol), and I think it's kept me sane.

As to your other concern, well, I don't have much to say because I haven't been following it closely enough for analysis. But since you've asked for my opinion, I'll at least say what is on my mind. To put it bluntly, I think you should drop it v/v Clio; as a wise person once told me, "There's no cheese down that hole." I'm not commenting on who's right, who's wrong, who started it, etc, but I implore you to be the one to finish it. Just drop it, file it under Written Off Debts, and continue editing constructively.

If Clio irritates you that much (and I have had similar experiences with editors), unless you are willing to pursue it formally, just, for your own sanity, gloss over her contributions, discipline yourself to ignore her talk page entries, and ignore her. I've done that with some editors and it saved my Wikilife. There are many editors whose intellect and experience are appropriate for WP but whose personalities are not. IMO I am not an appropriate judge of that distinction, and neither are you. If an editor can't hack the community, they will crash and burn in due time without your help. Don't be that person. (The one who crashes and burns). You are well on your way, IMO, to becoming the person other editors shake their heads about (as I did with two editors recently) and say to themselves, 'That editor is either going to flounce in a huff or be permablocked.' Stay frosty.

To put it another way, I think one of the first rules of functioning happily on WP is to accept that WP is grossly unfair, manifestly so. I'm not commenting on the unfairness or perceived unfairness of your particular situation, I want to be very clear on that. I'm just saying in general. And the abiliy of an editor to accept that fact is IMO the greatest indicator of whether or not they'll be able to function on WP and contribute constructively.

I wish you well in your RL and WL, and I hope we intersect in happier circumstances. IMO that depends on you. You cannot ever control another's behaviour, only your own. Ruminating over this issue can do nothing but strangle your WP contributions and poison your RL. Don't let it do that.

And finally, I feel that some of your comments regarding Clio are inappropriate; "obnoxious, arrogant", "desperately lacking in social skills". Whether they are accurate or not, they are unwelcome on my talkpage. Would you consider striking them? To comment on the general thrust, it's not WP's place to assist in social development; if you feel something is lacking, you will have to trust in life in general to deliver that message. But my personal advice to you is just to stop speculating, ruminating, drawing conclusions, etc, and move on. Best wishes. Anchoress 16:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Anchoress, I give you full credit for inspiring me to make a rather bold step. I'm sure if you check out Clio's talk page, you'll see what I'm talking about. I really don't care how she responds. Perhaps she'll accept my apologies with grace, or perhaps she'll do a little victory dance, believing that she "won" and I "lost" some sort of fictitious battle. The point is that I apologized. Her reaction to it will be irrelevant to me. All of this is not to say that I don't believe that she acted innapropriately in offending me, I've just come to realize that the two issue must be separated from each other. I'm only in control of my own words, not hers. As for her words, if she decides to apologize I'll certainly accept it with grace. If she doesn't, well, I guess there's nothing I can do about that.

Thanks for the inspiration, Anchoress. I suppose it's only fitting that the one to finally inspire me to eat crow and offer peace whatever the result, would be a fellow Canadian. I'm not sure what part of the country you're from, but I'll end this message with the following most profound of words: GO HABS!!!! :--)

Loomis 23:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Lewis

Congrats Loomis51 on being the better man. IMO there's no downside to rising above. I wish both of you well in turning over your two, completely separate, never-to-intersect leaves. Good luck contributing, and I am very happy to have inspired you. Go Canucks! Habs are good too. And BTW I don't look at it as eating crow; we are well-known for both politeness and picking our battles. Cheers! Anchoress 03:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh well. Not the best possible of responses on her part, but certainly not the worst.

By the way, yes, you may have been my inspiration and you should of course feel great about that, but with it comes a down side. Now I'll naturally turn to you to bitch and moan every time I'm forced to bite my tongue and act polite! Just kidding, that's not your responsibility. Though I will likely have to get myself some sort of punching bag for every time I'm driven absolutely mad by yet another damned non-sequitur of a poem!

I hope you understand I'm just kidding around. I'm sure I'll eventually learn to find my happy-place all on my own. :--)

Thanks again,

Loomis 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

somnambulist's appreciation for the funambulist

Thank you so much! You made my week!!!! Anchoress 04:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

help desk reply

Hi! Thanks for the reply and links on the help desk. I got your reply yesterday about 2 hours after you left it I think. I think that's good advice you gave. --Rebroad 15:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Good luck! Anchoress 22:24, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Pinned

Tee hee, thanks. If your cosmetic surgeon has any difficulty performing the giggoliposuction, s/he might consider prefacing the procedure with a Bromide Liposensing X-Ray Test, which uses googolipid helper cells (Helper-Gs) to find and organise the giggolipids. Good luck! Anchoress 00:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

So there's no confusion...

Re Virginia Tech massacre...the "adviser" spelling is from a direct quote from Drudge. The American Heritage Dictionary also lists it as correct. --zenohockey 00:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Thanks for the note. Anchoress 00:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Are you active on IRC? --Durin 13:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? Anchoress 13:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• I mean, do you have an IRC client and nickname so that I can talk with you on IRC :) --Durin 13:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no, sorry. Why do you want to talk to me on IRC? Anchoress 13:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Because you indicated a willingness to be a guinea pig. I'd like to chat with you about it. --Durin 14:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it's going to fly. But if you want to chat with me about it it'll have to be the old-fashioned way, on-wiki, thru email, or yahoo if you have it. I'm on IM as anchoresse. Anchoress 14:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Laura Smith Haviland

Hi, I was wondering why you feel the Laura Smith Haviland article needs to be copyedited. Would you please explain so I can fix the problem? Thank you Epousesquecido 16:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I read the article, made a few changes, let me know what else you think I should change. Thanks, Epousesquecido 18:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll go have a look at it later. Anchoress 20:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Wnjr

Did you mean to tell him to "stay frosty" ? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 06:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, did I type it wrong? Anchoress 06:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No, nothing wrong with your typing. Perhaps it's a cultural thing, I read frosty as "aloof to the point of rudeness". Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 08:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok. It also means to stay cool, unflappable and on task. lol I've been using it like that for so many years, I forgot it even had another meaning. Anchoress 08:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Problems with hyperlinks and msft access

I saw your post on the computing help desk and I couldn't help but wonder why no one offered to just take a look at the file and do the conversion for you. Unless the file contents are private and you do not want that out, I'm happy to lend a hand (2000 or so links doesn't sound like much). Alternatively, if you have a few "example links" I can try to put together a script, post it for you and you can run it yourself.

I'm assuming you wouldn't mind having the hyperlinks represented in access as:

   link_target               ;; link_text  ;; link_id
   http://www.yahoo.com      ;; Yahoo!     ;; 1
   http://www.ebay.com       ;; Ebay!      ;; 2

and so forth. If you haven't found an easy solution by the time you read this, let me know. I'll be happy to help. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 01:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thank you for the offer, I would definitely love to take you up on it. The contents aren't private, but the sheet is such a god-awful mess that I cringe at the thought of anyone else seeing it lol. I am kicking myself 6 ways from Sunday for not just doing it in Access to start with, but it was so ad hoc at the beginning, I didn't and couldn't really have any idea what it would look like a ways down the road. But... I was given a good suggestion on the Access Developers yahoogroup, which I'd like to try first as it would be easier than an Excel conversion, so I'll get back to you. Anchoress 02:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I tried the solution but it didn't work, so if I could send you a sample of my DB I'd be very appreciative. How can I get it to you? Anchoress 02:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Whatever's easiest. You can post it on any of my empty scratchpad pages, email, put it on your own scratchpad, whatever. 2000 links should not be too big for WP to handle if you want to just paste it into a page. BTW am I correct in assuming the format indicated above is acceptable? dr.ef.tymac 02:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

OK... You gotta know that I have never ever uploaded a file to WP, so 'scratch pad' is a complete whoosh for me, lol. But i'll see if I can figure it out. I'm just uploading a sample with 100 records, that's easier I think. And as for the format, yeah... thanks a lot. Anchoress 03:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ohh ... oops ... *hehe* yeah you can click on the scratchpad link above and then just do "edit this page" ... then just cut and paste directly from the text file into the edit window as usual, or you can click the email link. dr.ef.tymac 03:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Right... I was wondering if that was what it was. See, I'm afraid that you've missed part of the discussion about this file; it's not a text file, and it can't be. If it were just a matter of separating the <a ref> URL from the anchor text, I could have easily done that myself; normalising data is kind of my area. But the URLs are embedded objects, and if I saved the sheet as .txt or if I try to upload it like you suggested, it uploads the anchor text alone (or, in the case of a few of the entries, the URL itself which I'd already copied and pasted in the course of my use of the sheet). So... I'd love to email it to you (I dropped you a line and am waiting for a reply), but I wonder if you can actually help me? It's perhaps more complicated than you realised. Anchoress 03:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I will reply, yeah I re-read the post and I was about to address that issue but (edit conflict) got me. Just a sec. dr.ef.tymac 03:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: so despite my off-target "scratchpad" tangent, it sounds like we were both on the same page as what you were aiming for and an acceptable solution. Just in case, I'll put up another alternative on the RefDesk page and consider this issue resolved unless you indicate otherwise. Cheers. dr.ef.tymac 15:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The XML solution

Thanks dr.ef.tymac, your many suggestions and the work you've put into helping me has been very helpful. Unfortunately I just checked and my version of Excel doesn't support the XML format, as you feared. I'll check some of the other solutions, I'm just feeling a bit discouraged for now and I think I'll take a break from this whole thing. ;-) Anchoress 04:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The Excel - Access problem

Request for clarification:
If you want me to come up with the VB code, please clearly explain what you want. Is this correct:
The cells in Excel contain hyperlinks and the raw code for each one reads

<a href="http://www.example1.com">Example1</a> 

and you want to extract it to say

www.example1.com 

Is that correct?
Rfwoolf 08:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not asking you or anyone else to do ANYTHING, so you can rest easy on that point. But no, you are misunderstanding, and I believe I have been very clear with what I need. The contents of the URL cells in excel are not the <a href> strings; if they were, I could have easily fixed it myself as I am familiar with using a variety of advanced solutions for data normalisation. The links show as plain anchor text in the cell contents, so there is no way to parse the anchor text from the URL and .html using simple solutions. Is that more clear? The question was asked on the computer desk in my thread, and my answer seemed sufficient for the other questioners. Anchoress 09:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Username

No, I will not reconsider it, if I may be blunt. I don't know where you got the arbitrary 50-character standard from, but I do know that it is too long for practical purposes. —physicq (c) 03:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

However, if you really do seek to overturn it, you may post it on WP:RFCN. I will respect any decision that arrives there. —physicq (c) 03:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Well you're drawing a conclusion about my assessment to call it a 'standard' - I didn't call it that - but what I'm saying is that under 50 characters doesn't seem lengthy. Thank you for your reply. Anchoress 03:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

After checking the RFCN page, it doesn't look like that is the place to bring up my concerns about User:Joseph The Greatest!(I share my name with no man), since s/he has already been blocked. Do you have a suggestion as to where I should bring it up instead? Thanks in advance. Anchoress 03:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Please pardon my jumping in, but I suggest that you ask Joseph... whether he wants the username block reviewed or just to start a new account. If he wants an unblock, I am sure that WP:RFCN will consider the matter. (The purpose of the "not blocked already" restriction is to avoid pointless debates about either blatantly inappropriate usernames where the outcome would be a foregone conclusion, or situations where the user has already changed to another account so again the discussion wouldn't have value. Where the blocked user is expressly requesting a review, and another contributor is defending the name, those rationales wouldn't apply.) Regards, Newyorkbrad 03:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the reply. I left a comment on the editor's userpage; I'll keep an eye out to see if s/he responds in any way, but (other than the comment I left on the AIV talkpage), I'll leave it in the hands of the other editor for now. This issue is of particular concern to me, however, whether or not this particular editor ever gets unblocked. I wonder if perhaps the username policy should be amended to grant a maximum total number of allowed characters, combining the username with the signature. Anchoress 04:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello

• I was not trying to be "disruptive" here, I was simply trying to show the user in question how it can be fun to either create new articles, and/or edit in a constructive manner by adding and searching for new material from reputable secondary sources. Diff, I tried to explain this, Diff, but was rebuffed. No worries, but in any event certainly not "disruptive", as the user had stated diff. Oh well, guess I'll go back to what I enjoy most: finding more material from reputable secondary sources to add as citations in existing articles - and/or better yet, to add to a potential new article later... Smee 13:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

OK. Anchoress 13:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Kewl. Smee 13:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Kd lvr on WP:ANI

You can probably cancel that WP:ANI request. That request got both User:TREYWiki and I blocked for 48 hours. Because of that, TREY left Misplaced Pages altogether and I am not helping anyone, reverting anything, or really doing anything but editing. TREY and I tried to help, did what we thought was right, moved a request ro WP:ANI and were blocked for it. Oh well. Just don't want you to get in trouble too. Take care....SVRTVDude 03:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh.... what request? Did I make a request there? Sorry, I only remember trying to fix the wiki markup, I don't remember doing anything else. Anyways, good luck editing. Anchoress 07:26, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean that you had, I was just saying if you wanted to cancel the request that TREY and I had made. I am staying as far away from any board as possible. - SVRTVDude 07:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Well I'm not an admin, and I don't know why I'd do that for you, but anyways after reading your post I went and checked, and it seems to have been removed already. Listen, I don't want to seem like I'm being rude or anything, but I'm really not sure why you've messaged me? Were you asking me to remove the entry for you? Because I'm not sure why I would do that? Anyways, it's a done deal now, the entry seems to have been archived. Best wishes again, and over and out. Anchoress 08:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

You had posted on my KDKA page (I made it for the KDKA problems) and I was just following up with you. I got 48hour blocked, so it was a little slow of a response. My apologizes for upsetting you. - SVRTVDude 08:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Right... OK. Well, you didn't upset me, and glad we kinda got it figured out. I'm still not sure why you said what you said in your original message, but I guess that's fine. ;-)) Anchoress 08:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Calling Misplaced Pages Google Queen

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Family_Trusts --Goingempty 16:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Tee hee. OK I'll take a look. My first real assignment! Anchoress 17:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; could you use your queen magic again for these questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Hostile_Takeover.3F

&

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#NYSE_stocks_-_alternative_trading_methods.3F --Goingempty 20:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

ta

Just wanted to say thanks for the stuff about the Adambrowne666 Inaction Figure - v funny and cute - made my day. Adambrowne666 07:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Har har. NP, I thought the whole thing was a scream. Congrats again, BTW. Link for anyone who wants to find out how fune I am. Anchoress 07:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a third option

Never discount the possibility that the developers and the users are "dum". Friday (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Tee hee. I think that's very plausible. But the people who talk about them on Anchoress's talk page, now THEY are NEVER dum. :D Anchoress 14:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Overhauling suggestions

A few things I would do in over hauling your user page.
1. I would put your userboxes in a more orderly fashion.
2. Any thing vandalized on your page, I would either put it in a separate category on your user page or delete it all together.
3. Any tips or suggestions for other users I would keep that is non-vandalism related.
I hope this help and I look forward to your replay on my page if you like. Chris 23:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chris: Thanks a lot for the reply, I would be very grateful for any and all decorating help. I have to confess, though, that I wouldn't be able to do anything for you because I completely lack the markup skills and flair to do any userpage decorating. Did I use the wrong box on my page? I thought I'd placed the one that indicated an editor who was looking for decorating help but was unable to reciprocate. Anchoress 23:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Help meeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeeee___eeeeeeeeeeeee

I don't know how to make the two columns on my userpage an even width. Thanks in advance!! Anchoress 03:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Howdy!.. Actually they are even 50%. What are you seeing? Lsi john 03:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Let me know what you're trying to do and I'll see about fixing it for you. Lsi john 03:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Magnus already fixed it, but didn't remove your help tag.. I guess I should have looked at edit history, just didn't anticipate someone would have helped that quickly. Here's a little something for you anyway. Peace. Lsi john 03:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Cute, thanks. Anchoress 05:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

I'd suggest asking over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Awards. I'm none too good with graphics myself, so I'm afraid I can't help you with that. >Radiant< 07:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I'll check that out. Anchoress 23:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanx

Thank you for your help in my question 'The Effects of Music on Plants' I really appreciated it. --Ninjawolf 23:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, good luck. Anchoress 23:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Question

As sad, tragic, (and all other appropriate words) as it is, is the De Anza article/case really notable, beyond the local town? I thought that WP:NOT says we are not a news agency. Lsi john 21:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question, I don't know the answer. To me notability is a morass of grey areas and unpleasantness; first off, I am almost never interested in whether an article is notable, and secondly, I am concerned by the frequent use of non-notability as a criteria for deletion, despite the fact that it isn't a valid criteria on its own. ;-) Anchoress 22:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

To expand on that: IMO if we (Misplaced Pages) are serious about being a storehouse of all human knowledge, then notability should be the very last thing we are concerned about when considering an article. Sadly, IMO, we seem to be retreating from the 'comprehensive compendium' value in recent weeks. OTOH, I completely understand that 'NN' is at least the easiest, if not the only, brickbat available in the struggle against the abuse of WP's SEO potential by commercial interests. Furthermore, 'NN' is an easy tool for use by the 'WP:IDONTLIKEIT' crowd, particularly for use against fan- and list-cruft. Anchoress 22:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Continuing on that line of thought (in a purely conversational way)... Is it our goal to be a storehouse of all human knowledge? Or, is it our goal to be an encyclopedia?

Encyclopedias are, specifically, 'not' a storehouse of all human knowledge, but, rather, are some minimal collection of information about items of significant interest to humanity. An encyclopedia article provides a window for the layman to look through and affords him an means to gain some basic understanding of the item in the article.

In contrast, if we are a storehouse of all human knowledge... well, to me, knowledge is fact, and fact is truth (or minimally, facts are accurate and truthful). And, there are numerous texts available on the full knowledge about the known facts of DNA strands, which cannot possibly be represented in a single article on DNA here at Misplaced Pages.

While I used the term 'notable' (above), I also connected it with 'not a news agency', which I believe is part of WP:NOT. I agree that notability may be overused, and that doesn't address the question of whether that particular article is notable or significant. I had intended it as a simple question. I have nothing in particular against the article, and it was clearly an unfortunate situation. Yet, it was simply an event, like 1000's of other events which occur daily, tragic though it was.

Anyway, I'm new(ish), and wanted to know your opinion. Lsi john 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Meh. I'm really not interested in getting into a whole thing about this. Like I said, the topic doesn't interest me. As to your first point, are 'we' trying to be a storehouse of all human knowledge? According to THIS PRESS RELEASE, featuring a quote by Jimbo Wales, yes we are. Anyways, I really don't have an opinion regarding the article in question, and I'm really not interested in a discussion about the threshold of inclusion for information about DNA strands, so... ;-) Anchoress 22:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't thought that I intended to get into it either. However, based on results, we both intended it. I actually thought I was asking a simple question. Sorry. Peace in God. Lsi john 22:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that.. and it contradicts what I had just read this morning by the same individual. Peace. Lsi john 22:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

NP. Over and out. Anchoress 22:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Conversation continued off-wiki. Anchoress 15:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Copied from Lsi John's talkpage:

Anchoress, thank you for your response. As you specifically asked for a response from me on-wiki, here it is.

My feedback to you is this: To me, this is a subject that you have quite a bit of energy on. To wit, I asked a relatively simple question (or so I thought), and you expounded with an opinion on deletionism .vs. a statement made by Jimbo, and the current trend of wikipedia. I was a bit overwhelmed, as I had not anticipated such an opined (and positional) response. Then, when I attempted to follow your lead, and continued the discussion on the path you had chosen, you MEH'd me and said you were not interested in discussing the subject, citing my DNS stranding example as being uninteresting. Thus, closing the conversation as abruptly as it had begun.

If article deletion isn't a topic you are interested in discussing, then (rhetorically) why did you open that door with such elaboration? And, as it was a conversation between you and me, if your response wasn't directed at me, then (rhetorically) to whom was it directed? We were the only two in the conversation.

Anchoress, I saw you make an edit in the article, I assumed you were somewhat familiar with the article, I recalled your previous offer to help with wiki questions, and I asked for your opinion. Though I was aware of your position on deleting articles, it did not occur to me when I asked your opinion. In hindsight, it was not one of my better choices, and I apologize.

You asked me where I perceived judgment in your response. To me, there is both judgment and conclusion in your comment about the current trend of wikipedia. And, based on results, I would submit that article deletion is a subject about which you are very interested.

Respectfully, I would prefer not to address this further on-wiki. Without sufficient background (our conversations) to understand it, I feel the conversation could easily appear confrontational to the casual reader, and I have neither the desire to be, nor to appear to be, confrontational with you.

Best regards,

Peace in God. Lsi john 13:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, no probs, thanks for your reply! I feel that you've misunderstood in several ways, but as I'd said, I don't want to discuss WP stuff off-wiki, and if you don't want to discuss it further here, I'm perfectly happy having this be the end! Cheers, over and out (again lol). Anchoress 15:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

copyediting help

Anchoress, Could you assist me with copyediting this article 2007 De Anza baseball players rape case‎. Thank you.PEACETalkAbout 22:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. I don't feel like it right now, but if I feel like it before someone else does it, I will. Anchoress 22:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for giving it consideration.PEACETalkAbout 22:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Reward?

Hi! I came across an offer from you on the Reward Board that you're looking for a Vulcan themed barnstar. Before replying, know that a) I've currently got no decent editor for SVG images, b) I use typically low-tech methods for design, and c) I am fascinated ( ;) ) with the challenge, think the reward is ample, and think it would be something I'd try my hand at. So, I'd like to know: a) That the reward offer is genuine, b) Would you: prefer a green standard barnstar with Vulcan ears at 11:00 and 1:00 'points' added or replacing the 10:00 and 2:00 points with ears, and c) Would you like the addition of a circular "THE NEEDS OF THE MANY..." around the perimeter of the Star. Or do you have some other concept in mind? (Also, I wouldn't want you working on the reward, or taking down the notice, until I deliver the image to your satisfaction.) I now have your talk on my watchlist for a reply. Thanks. LaughingVulcan 03:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to reply - I forgot you'd posted. First, yes, the reward offer is VERY genuine, I'm looking forward to it actually. ;-) I am not sure about the points replacement, I would have to see it. I love the 'the needs of the many' quote, and what you said about the graphics etc I don't understand either, sorry... (If I knew anything about editing graphics I guess I wouldnn't have been looking for help lol). So I guess... Only you know if you have the skills and tools to do a good job of it - I am not picky but I'd want it to look good enough that people would actually want to award it - but if you want to give it a try, I'm all thumbs up!! Anchoress 00:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice

Nice. Friday (talk) 00:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But thinking about it, I may have been too hasty. Attempting to satisfy an inflatable replica could make a lot of things sore... particularly for someone who doesn't know when to quit. Anchoress 00:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Gigantoraptor

Moved DYK notice because I wasn't the originator, just the nominator. Anchoress 06:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)