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"So I herd you leik Mudkips" discussion; will expand if necessary Archive 1 (Page creation - December 2006)

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meme.

Just putting forth another vote for info on the meme...that's why I came to this article.

I agree as well. I want to see So I Herd You Liek Mudkips being put into the articleMr.WaeseL 14:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at the beginning, but I just came here to see what the weird meme was all about. There was nothing here.

I think someone accidentally deleted it or something. No worries, I added it again because it's important :) Mr.WaeseL 23:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

liek Mudkips

Ac1983fan, stop crying about it, just accept ot and just add the saying. it's popular online and as such should be added. Just because YOU don't want it added doesn't mean it shouldn't/ 209.107.101.5 18:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The fact that so many people have came here to just understand the meme suggests that even if some don't like it, it's still a good contribution. You can not use WP:NOTE against this. And I quote, "These guidelines do not specifically regulate the content of articles...". You are correct in saying that there can't be an article titled "so i herd u liek mudkips" (per WP:NOTE), however the meme CAN be mentioned in this existing article. Smileman66 04:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The whiney baby had a lock put on the article. I'm tired of these Wikifags not accepting whats common knowledge 209.107.101.5 01:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You do realize being rude about this won't get these people to change their minds. That being said, oh, come on! This refusal to add something about an Internet meme simply because it isn't part of the game is mind-boggling.Sana Jisushi 06:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I only came to this page to find out about the internet meme. I would think that the meme and its prevalence on message boards would be more relevant to any user over the age of 13 then content on its TV appearances. I mean, both are ultimately meaningless pop culture references, right? Why does its appearance on a popular kids show rate higher then its appearance as a popular internet meme? Further, I would think more people come to this page looking for the evolution of a pretty widespread meme then they do looking for the episode in which Mudkip evolved. Lastly, this is an article about a pokemon on the internet. You are not defending the sacred halls of scholarly knowledge here. The internet meme is at least as relevant to pop culture as pokemon, and anyways, you can't seriously build a debate about scholastic integrity around pokemon. 163.2.30.245 15:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Could someone just explain the origin of the meme on this talk page? It'd make sense; if you can't read about the Meme in the article, then you could come here. I think pokemon is a bunch of craptastic commercialist advertising, personally, and that the franchise will soon die, but I love the meme and Encylopedia Dramatica seems to have died. --80.47.17.221 17:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

So I herd you liek mudkips

Does including the meme in the page affect the page negatively at all, and if so how? I feel that even if it may be trivial it should be included because it makes the article more complete. Also on the topic of notability if you would direct your attention to "Notability guidelines do not directly limit article-content" of WP:NOTABILITY it clearly states "These and all the notability guidelines are for allowable article topics within Misplaced Pages, not for allowable content within a legitimate Misplaced Pages article." Therefore the meme is not notable enough to have its own article but should remain as a minor section of mudkips. The argument that the meme is not notable is only valid if it was made into a separate page not if it is included in a small section of the mudkips article.Kuro-yan 07:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add content related to the 4chan meme "So I herd you leik mudkips" to the page. There has been much discussion about it, and it is not notable enough for wikipedia. However, if you would like to debate this point, please do it under this section.--Ac1983fan 20:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

How can you debate the notability of what is essentially a internet driven humor saying? Unless the thing was in TIme Magazine you wouldn't include it because it doesn't fit under the rigid system in place. It exists. That should be enough. Just mention the saying on any sort of forum and you'll get a respone.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.116.71.184 (talk • contribs).

You exist, I exist, my one page book report exist, yet they are not on wikipedia because of WP:NOTABILITY. If "So I herd you leik mudkips" becomes mentioned in any respectable news source, including but not limited to IGN.com, gamespot.com, TIME Magazine, USA today, and The New York times, than I will be more than happy to include it into the article. Thank you.--Ac1983fan 21:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why it can't be featured in a tiny stub at the article, especially when Dio Brando and his Wryyyyyyyy internet meme have a full stub in the main article. What's notable about that? This whole logic process is flawed.164.116.70.233 17:03, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

But it appears in the game making it more notable. You'll be hard pressed to find a point in the game where "so I herd you leik mudkips" in any pokemon game.--Ac1983fan 17:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes it occurs in the game and Manga. However how is WRYYYYY that notable? So it's there. What's so notable about it? I'm here, your here, your book report is here, but someone just so happens to make a joke about it on THE INTERNET. That's the only reason it's relevant. Because of people on the internet making fun of AN ASPECT OF IT FOR HUMOR. Your logic is flawed. Why can't we put an internet Meme relating to a specific Pokemon? 24.17.214.242 02:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

becuase its just a random thing that has almost nothing to do with the actual pokemon that some guy made up. It is not notable enough for wikipedia. The other thing, I don't know much about, but memes that are quotes from games are much more notable then things made up on a website in one day.--Ac1983fan 15:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

But that's where the flaw in your logic presides. Wrryyy by itself has nothing notable about it, but has it's own sub-section. SIHULM is notable for wikipedia because of the fact that is is a unique creation of the internet, fostered by the largest english imageboard on the planet, and has become synonymous with the pokemon in general. You can't deny that is exists by keeping it out of a wiki page. Whether you think it's dumb or not isn't an issue. It's notable because of the momentum it's carried, and for what it represents in the open atmosphere of the internet. SIHULM represents every single internet meme, and joke among nerds, pokemaniacs, geeks, dorks, and all other internet trogdophiles. Simply even going to any sort of a convention and mentioning it would get you over a hundred responses. Just visit gaming conventions like PAX, or anime conventions like SakuraCon. I know from personal experience. Amidst Lan Parties, frenzied Guitar Hero matches, and Tabletop Gaming Panels that are right next to a keynote on Nerdcore music, all the while down the hall from a Beanbag utopia of DS Pictochat with people drawing from the pool of internet memes like SIHULM, it is apart of modern internet and gamer culture. It's a piece of internet heritage, even for something as small as a 6 word joke. Denying it only serves as a disservice to the internet, and all who look upon it.RoboChocobo 08:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

God, I give up. nobody ever bothers to read WP:NOTE, do they? but whatever.--Ac1983fan 14:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the possibility exists that they've read it, and that they disagree with your interpretation of it - astonishing, I know. From my perspective, the Notability aspect only suggests that there's no need for a "SIHULM" ARTICLE - it in NO WAY argues against a mention of the pop culture relevance of "SIHULM" on Mudkip's actual page. Lack of notability does NOT automatically disqualify referencing it (as opposed to making an entire article about it), any more than the millions of pop culture references on other Wiki pages need to be removed simply because they ARE pop culture. In any case, WP:NOTE itself blatantly states that there are times when Notability should be suspended anyway - if a significant number of people are coming to this page to find out what "SIHULM" means, then it belongs here, whether you think so or not. It doesn't need a massive 17 paragraph description explaining every subtle nuance of its meaning and origin - simply mentioning that it IS a popular Internet meme might be enough. Hossenfeffer 00:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Just merge it. Hell, I came on here just to find out what it meant. I hear it all the time. The intentions of the developers are secondary to the functionality of the website.

No they aren't. They are still upheld, because they contribute to the overall quality of Misplaced Pages. Having these guidelines prevents this place from being overrun with any content that is merely popular enough to be included. If you would actually read the guidelines, you'd see that for inclusion a piece of information need only be verifiable - meaning a reputable source has said it - it need not be true by some objective standard, for example. Notability is just one guideline that enforces some sort of minimum criteria for inclusion, to prevent everything you can imagine from being thrown on here. Personally I think the rules need to be stricter, laid out more clearly, and much, MUCH more accessible to the average person, so that we can eliminate the simpsons and family guy references on every damn article for one. It doesn't matter that you hear it all the time or come here for it, that's not the kind of reasoning that serves as a good general purpose guideline for inclusion, and that's why you won't find it in the wikipedia guidelines. If you want every stupid meme on the planet, with no verification, and lots of "fag", "furry", "Mom's basement" littering the article (because that's HILARIOUS! It never gets old!), try Encyclopedia Dramatica; And you guys can complain about us "wikifags" who want to enforce some sort of standard at all while you're at it

And yes, there are many articles that also fail to meet the criteria, yet still have pages. Well, they shouldn't be. Your reasoning needs to catch up with the 21st century: This is a wiki, it is a perpetual work in progress, there are always things here that don't belong here. The freedom with which it's edited is both the strength and weakness of this format TheBilly 16:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Christ, just add it somewhere. I came here looking for an explanation as to the history and meaning of the phrase, and I get nothing. I hear and read the damn phrase all the time, and it's really starting to annoy me. An internet craze is most deffinately notable enough for Misplaced Pages, even if it's not mentioned in any sources you deem reputable. I guerentee I'm not the only one who looked at this article hoping to find something about the phrase... --NukeMTV 08:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

"Encylcopedia Dramatica" has it, and it's actually correct about where it comes from. (I can't actually link it, you can find the url yourself >>) Now please, we do not need it here.—ウルタプ 14:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

can somebody explain what this "i herd you liek mudkips" thing is about? While it hasn't been formally published, it is a fairly prominent modern injoke on the internet. And I don't know what it means. And I think wikipedia is best if it's A Site In Which People Can Use For Reference On Things They Would Like To Know About instead of being A Big Index Of Everything Formally Published. Certainly, the meme-driven popularity of Mudkips it's a more prominent attribute of Mudkips than, say, the number of the episode in which mudkip evolves.--Zodberg 13:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

heh, I came here too looking for an explaination. But even weirder, I came here due to seeing this joke mentioned on wikipedia itself! Yet nothing here to explain it... Mathmo 16:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I too came for an explanation to this meme...and does anyone know how to sign these things?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavrickindigo (talk • contribs)

Type ~~~~ to sign posts. It's right there near the top of the page while you're editing. Anyway. Go to a site called "Encyclopedia Dramatica" and search for Mudkip there. (Google it or something; linking there is disabled here.)—ウルタプ 00:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

screw your guidelines! we all want to know what the hell this phrase means! I come to this site for factual information, so please give!--172.188.145.242 17:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Liek Mudkips

What do you mean it is not notable enough? It's an everyday saying on 4chan and it has spread to all the chan pages. I've had people ask me what it means. And rather than have to goto a seedy site like urbandictionary, they should be ble to use wikipedia to site this reference. Other reference to internetrelated humor are on wikipedia. Why shouldn't this be on the appropriate page?—167.1.163.100 17:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Well it seems after reading the responses posted by people that we DO need the reference to the meme here on wikipedia. This isn't about what has been published, it's about things in general. 167.1.163.100 03:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

While a post has been made in reference to internet culture, I belive a fuller explination is in order. L33t Masta 07:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, the only reason I searched for "Mudkip" was because of "So I herd you liek mudkips"...still not sure what's that about. Apparently, it's something inappropriate. Jumping cheese 10:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. It's just a very popular Internet meme. --AlexJohnc3 00:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well regaurdless it still needs to be mentioned. And just because a couple people don't want it added doesn't mean it shouldn't. It pertains to popular culture and as such should be added. 167.1.163.100 22:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. Some people on Misplaced Pages are strongly against anything involving 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, or anything else pertaining to Internet culture. They're a minority on Misplaced Pages, but at least two or three of them are actually administrators here and have managed to rally some people to support them who actively seek to keep any references to Internets memes they see as involving places like Encyclopedia Dramatica on Misplaced Pages, as is shown by people trying to keep any reference to the "so i herd u liek mudkips" meme on this page, when it is probably the main reason people visit the page on Mudkip on Misplaced Pages in the first place. --AlexJohnc3 21:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

How can you agree with an anon? My 9-month old eskimo/pomeranian puppy's opinion is more valid. In fact, most of the edits on the talk page are by anons. This CRAP doesn't talk about Mudkip as a Pokemon at all. And can somebody please give a link to somewhere that has this information and is a reputable source? Without one, that whole section would violate Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources, as none of that information is sourced or can be linked back to a site and should be permanently REMOVED!!!. --05:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Ksy92003

Hi, Ksy. Firstly, anon opinions are not less valuable than a puppy's; don't bite the newbies. Secondly, I'd like to say that, as someone who has experienced this fad personally, the fad did happen; as such, I can vouch for the truth of the content in question (well, except maybe for some specifics, but I don't know); having said that, I doubt there is a reliable secondary source we can cite for this (As it stands, we only have primary sources to cite - Forum search of "so i herd you leik mudkips", 30 results Forum search of "so i herd you liek mudkips" (liek, instead of leik), about 300 results - This is just the results from NSider, though.), and as such it would not qualify for inclusion in Misplaced Pages, as per Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:Attribution. – mcy1008 (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine with me. Also, I'd like to note that you can get many more results, including many of the variations on "so i herd you liek mudkips" by searching for "so i herd" in Google, for example, instead of the entire phrase: http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22so+i+herd%22 . 23,600 results. --Alexc3 14:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

So what does that mean as far as it's inclusion in the article; are we gonna leave it in or take it out? I didn't think it passed WP:VERIFY. --15:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)Ksy92003

Right now I think we should leave it out. --Alexc3 17:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, since a large number, if not the majority, of people coming to this page want to know about the Internet meme, we could instead put {{not verified}} in that section. --Alexc3 17:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see what everyone's issue with that section of the article being there. It's just a pop culture reference. I also see no point to putting {{not verified}} in the section since "so i herd you liek mudkips" is just a saying, it's not a fact. If the fact that tons of people online use it in forums, etc. isn't enough to get this to stay then what is? Having this section is no different than saying that something became popular, since all you have to back up something being popular is maybe a lot of people bought whatever we're talking about. Ditto 23:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Why not create (and link to) a separate internet memes page? This (and other) page/pages would keep its/their integrity while also educating those who came here searching for info on the meme. --Demeth 00:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a very good idea. --Alexc3 19:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I have fully protected the page to allow discussion. Please remove the template in 7 days, after the protection expires. -- ReyBrujo 03:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

We need to add an =/=Internet Meme=/= part for this article. The only reason I even wikipedia'd Mudklip was to see what this whole "so i herd u liek mudklips" was about. Xihix 03:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I LIEK MUDKIPZ

mudkipz rock. We should integrate the internet meme into this page. The reasons are as follows : 1) who decides what's significant enough to be mentioned or not? OTHER internet memes are mentioned on wikipedia, like lemon party and goatse. It's UNFAIR and INCONSISTENT that mudkipz should be left out. 2) there was some guy down there slating anonymous posters. i think this smacks of snobbery by wiki-addicts. Much love, anonymous poster. (82.27.209.38 05:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

AGREED!!!!!!!! mudkips in the game is amlost overlooked by legions of anonymous internet *chan users, if you even mention mudkips around a majority of 18-24 year old males on the internet, the most common response is 'so i hurd you liek them'. if this doesnt count as notability, then whats the point of cracking down on a service designed to inform/edjumicate? those of you who feel the need to edit this part of this article should be ashamed of yourselves. that being said, i think this is an important and integral part of this article. mudkips solely are not of enough note overall in relation to the pokemon series, certainly not enough for a full article, when others feel the urge to police wikipedia to the point of marking articles for deletion in the works that are in the process of gaining cited materials to become reputable sources as part of wikipedia's database. in effect this is part of what keeps me from editing/making an account on wikipedia as a whole. love, shawn phase (70.16.13.195 02:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC))

How can you prove that if somebody mentions Mudkip, the most common response is "'so i hurd you liek them'?" Even if that whole crap is true, it needs to be sourced to be included. And I have not seen a source anywhere.

And "edjumicate" isn't a word. --Ksy92003 19:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the user was kidding. --Alexc3 20:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I think "Ksy92003" has a problem with "humor." --70.18.4.93 15:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I haven't got a problem. That's my standard response whenever I know that somebody is saying something sarcastically. Either way, for it to be included there needs to be some source saying that it is majorly important and proves that it is an "integral part of this article." --Ksy92003 18:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This Wikipedian is 16 years, 9 months, and 14 days old --71.225.47.191 18:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No need to bring my age into the situation here. How old I am has absolutely nothing to do with this "internet meme." Keep that factor out of this please. --Ksy92003 00:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

hey

removed {{editprotected}} tag --GranisDarkhammer 04:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

man what the hell why cant I request an edit <:( --GranisDarkhammer 16:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Because we have no idea what the heck you want changed. – mcy1008 (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

So i herd sum things.

Should the "so i herd u liek mudkips" internet meme be mentioned here? It's a rather large internet phenomenon - not a paragraph, just a quick mention in Trivia or something. 74.119.23.212 22:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Many people think it should be. In fact, it's probably the reason most people even come to this page. --Alexc3 02:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I certainly came here to read about the meme. Encyclopedia Dramatica is fine for a laugh, but it's not a place to go to when you want facts, which is why I came here rather than going to ED. -- 70.18.4.93 15:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

A simple mention in the trivia page is more than welcome. I can't imagine the harm in a simple sentance stating it as a 4chan meme.--Piemanmoo 17:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, seriously. How is this so-called "so i herd u liek mudkips" quote notable enough to be included in the article? If I said something like "so i herd u liek cubones" somewhere online, would it be notable to be included on Cubone? I think not. And just because somebody came to the page just to read about something they found online, that doesn't mean that it should be here. I just can't understand why anybody would think that it should be in the article. It doesn't contribute any worthwhile information to the article. It doesn't talk about Mudkip at all. How does it contribue to the article? Here's the answer: IT DOESN'T !!!. The article is about "Mudkip", not some "internet phenomenon." --Ksy92003 18:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, ksy, a lot of what wikipedia is useful for, for a good number of people, is finding connections between different subjects. If internet memes are notable in and of themselves, then surely "i herd u liek mudkips" deserves at the very least a link on the "related links" section. If you'd like to see an instance where internet memes have been introduced into Misplaced Pages, I suggest you see Slashdot's section on "Culture". Every meme has its own independent page- just because a meme originated on 4chan (has now spread to all corners of popular internet culture) doesn't mean it's not notable. It's like you're erasing 4chan from the history of the internet while slashdot remains privileged. News flash, Slashdot's not all that special. Slashdot spawned the GNAA, which is a more efficient band of trolls than 4chan could ever hope to be. -66.100.35.58 21:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

GNAA couldn't troll a tolkien novel, let alone the internet. ≈ Maurauth 21:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It should be mentioned in some way, I mean, look at how much vandalism there has been saying 'i herd yuo liek mudkeipz' it surely is notable. ≈ Maurauth 11:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The difference between Slashdot's memes and here is that for Slashdot's memes, there are sources to backup the information, which is notable. The information there is the origin, why it's used, and where it appears in other media. The Mudkip meme doesn't have that same notability at all. It's just something that appeared on the internet one day. There isn't anything anywhere that says what it means, where it came from, or any sources to say that it appears in any other media. With Dio Brando's "cry", it is on that page because it is notable. It actually appears in the medium that the character is in, that is to say manga / anime. Since that "cry" appears in those media, and because that "cry" is a part of the character, that is why it has it's own section. Do Mudkip go around asking "do u liek mudkips?" I don't think so. Does Mudkip go around saying "so i herd u liek them?" I don't think so. Since the meme isn't used by Mudkip or in any of the media that it appears in (anime, television series), nor is it a physical, biological characteristic of Mudkip, I don't believe it should be mentioned on the page. --Ksy92003 12:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

See the bottom of this page "Internet Meme" for my response. ≈ Maurauth 08:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop !!!

Alright. I know this comment isn't about the article at all, but I don't have time to put it on your respective talk pages. Would everybody please stop insulting me? I really don't appreciate it. All I'm trying to do is improve the article, and I really don't like it that you're insulting me, and recently my family, just because you disagree with me. There is a civil way of resolving issues around here, and insulting other editors isn't that way. So please stop or I will be forced to take action, including possibly blocking/banning you, removing your editing privileges. Thanks. --Ksy92003 00:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Your opinions on the issue of the mudkip meme are irrational and against the spirit of Misplaced Pages. I admit that I haven't read through every word of Misplaced Pages policy, but if a significant number of visitors to this page are seeking information about a reference to a meme they saw somewhere, then I think that is a compelling reason to include some mention of that in the article. I understand that you dislike internet memes, and I sympathize, but they have become entrenched in internet culture, and as such, they are worthy of a at least a couple sentences on Misplaced Pages. You need to look at this objectively, and you need to stop interpreting criticism of your ideas as a personal attack. You seem far too eager to censor. You should step back for a moment and think about what the purpose of Misplaced Pages is. --Mustelid 03:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

really, TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE: the meme "so I herd u liek mudkipz" is as notable as a freaking mudkip. If you're gonna have an article about each individual Pokemon you can have a little subsection in this article mentioning the meme. --Whimsickal 15:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

this is something i was just going to say, but somebody beat me to it. we can have 800+ articles about a game, a yes, multi-billion dollar franchise, but we can't make space in one page to discuss the internet culture's derived entertainment from it?

These edits...

... Are done by the community. Why are you working in the opposite direction of the community by removing it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.224.208.5 (talk) 11:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Here, here! Misplaced Pages needs to change its policies.

WIkipedia is an Encyclopedia. Just because people want something included doesn't mean it should be. Zazaban 16:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

But it's been proven time and time again that it's notable enough to warrant a brief mention. It just keeps getting removed.--209.243.31.233 06:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This really isn't the thing people look up in an encyclopedia. Try google. I removed your rude comment as well. Zazaban 16:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC) Besides, nobody is even going to care six months from now. Zazaban 16:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Well yes, but a Mudkip itself isn't something you would look for in an encyclopedia either. Smileman66 22:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

MUDKIPPZZZZZZ

So, what was the actual origin of the meme? We might as well put it here; there's no rule against putting information on the talk page. It's the only reason I came to the article. --80.47.17.229 13:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright well, here it goes (the myth-story/internet meme starting rumor or copy pasta). This guy posted on a /b/, in probably 4chan's, that he asked this mentally ill student if he liked mudkips. In response the mentally ill student stated "MUDKIPS? I LOVE MUDKIPS!!!." He then grabbed a plush doll the poster was carrying and began to hump it after pulling his pants down. Then a girl saw it and this girl happened to be in a relationship with a jock. The jock and his friend began to beat the mentally ill student. Security came and everyone involved got in trouble. The poster got away with out any trouble. To end his post, the poster stated, "So, /b/, I ask you just one thing: Do you liek mudkipz?" 68.229.108.34 23:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

This small section of the talk page cleared things out for me. Aye, Misplaced Pages should loosen up its guidelines a tad bit. I'm forced to goto ED for information dang it. --Koheiman 06:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Internet Meme

Firstly, it isn't notable for it's own page. All the vandalism to this page, and 'so i herd...' postings on this discussion page suggest that anyone looking for the mudkip meme, or talking about it will look on this page. It's hardly much to argue about for just the inclusion of a relevant category. ≈ Maurauth 15:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There will not be mass pandemonium and cataclysms opening up that spew the demons of hell itself just because someone writes "A popular internet meme..." on Misplaced Pages (unless of course, the objectors thrown a giant fit). 65.6.213.12 19:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

To me this suggests the rules need a bit of tweaking. Either blanket ban all similar memes unless they are mentioned in authoritative print media - or allow things that only exist on the internet based on internet evidence of notability (ie lots and lots of Google hits, or well written and widely read blog posts). If O RLY gets a whole article because it was in some student newssheet, probably with a much lower readership than thousands of blogs, I think WP can stand a line or two about some other popular memes. The meme is why I came to this article anyway, not that I'm any great guide to notability :-) Moyabrit 10:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was on Conan, the O RLY?. as per mudkip, i'm pretty sure it's sorta popular. got a few hits in bash.org, a popular "last week" litmus.

Really, not including the meme on this page is utterly ridiculous. Personally, I hadn't even heard of a Mudkip before the meme--and I'm sure I'm not the only one.--72.130.143.25 00:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Some people may not of heard of Kazakhstan before Borat, but that doesn't mean it merits a mention on the Misplaced Pages article. Zazaban 18:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It is very depressing when I am forced to go to ED for information, isn't Misplaced Pages supposed to inform people? It's completely failing that in this article, it needs to mention the meme.--194.80.204.28 14:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If that were the case, then we would also be forced to include other memes involving Pokes on less stringent grounds - see Talk:Bidoof. Virtually all the edits there have been either by myself or anons like you trying to get the "Bidoof Derp" meme (that's the name I'm giving it, hence the quotes) into the article, and its evolved form, Bibarel, has been vandalized in a similar manner. -Jeske 13:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reference should at least be mentioned. I'm sure a lot of people come to this page trying to figure out what the whole mudkip "internet culture reference" is all about. I know that's why I looked up this page. There's definitely a right and a wrong way to mention the reference. I like how answers.com phrased it best. There's no need to explain the meme. Mentioning it will suffice. We have a wiki on All your base are belong to us and even Leeroy Jenkins. In fact, there's an entire wikipedia category on Internet memes. Why hold out on Mudkip?

To clarify, I agree that the page should remain locked to most edits, for obvious reasons. This wiki should be an informative article, not a board for vandalism. This is no reason to ignore an piece of culture surrounding Mudkip. Marigold 23:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Leeroy and AYB have gotten external press and/or have been used or referened in real life. This hasn't. -Jeske 23:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Oh, and Swampert should not have been targeted by this. This is turning into the "Derp" all over a-fragging-gain... -Jeske 00:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that, aside from the thousands of results, pictures, or whatever, I have found many youtube videos referencing this meme, including a 4chan user calling in to the Tom Green show. This probably isn't a notable source, but I would appreciate it if someone could tell me whether or not this is considered acceptable as one. Sandwiches99 03:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Header

Before the discussion was deleted by a spammer, there was a conversation going on about how adding a short quip about the internet phenomenon wouldn't hiurt anything.

My argument for adding is this: The second result on Google for "Mudkips" is the now defunct ED page on the internet meme. Obviously, it's something worth mentioning.

Second of all, O RLY? has a page. There is no real verifiable way to say where it came from, who orginated it, etc., but it has a page anyway. How can someone say it's ok to have an O RLY? page, but not a tiny piece of trivia on the Mudkip's internet status? The only people that really object to it just seem to hate the fad in general. 65.6.213.12 22:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Restored. – mcy1008 (talk) 22:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is this listed under legendary pokemon?

There should be no problem mentioning the meme, but listing it as a legendary pokemon is false.

I agree. It is in a league of its own, and needs to be listed as the most legendary pokemon of all time.

NO Poke aside from Arceus deserves anything remotely resembling deification, and nor does Chuck Norris. -Jeske 13:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes or no

Is there a procedure for deciding if the whole "I herd u liek..." thing gets a mention? I know straw polls are a Bad Thing cause they're too easy to mess with, but then how do we decide? Right now everyone is posting here, most of the posts seem in favour of putting it in a trivia section at the bottom, but nothing gets done. I'll wait a day or two for suggestions, but otherwise will just be bold and add it myself :-) Moyabrit 11:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

There is - if the meme has been referenced in popular culture or has external press from a neutral source (such as the New York Times), then it can be added, but not before. -Jeske 00:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Is the Tom Green show considered popular culture? If so, I can show you guys a youtube video. Sandwiches99 04:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Meme Sources

Lets make a list so Ksy92003 will stop deleting the meme (which won't work anyway because anonymous is legion)

http://www.google.com/search?q=mudkips 1st result is this page next 7 results are about the meme "so i herd u liek mudkips" 1 nonsense amazon page 1 pokemon episode guide

It doesn't matter - it still has not gotten any press from an outside source that has editorial oversight and is neutral. Stop it. Same goes for those of you pestering Bidoof. By the by, we *do* have a blocking policy. -Jeske 13:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Just add it to the page

Ughh... I'm jsut going to add it to the page, to get all these IPs to stop pestering us about it.--Ac1983fan 23:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

And I'll revert each one as a violation of WP:RS. We've been through this crap before with Serebii and the unconfirmed names prior to Diamond and Pearl's release; this is chump change compared to that. -Jeske 01:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

This is completely different. I was hoping to put it up long enough just to get the anons to shut up and go away. Then we could have removed it...--Ac1983fan 11:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh and as a side note... this discussion has been going on for a year! And its not like its gonna matter when this gets merged...--Ac1983fan 11:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

That isn't going to placate the anons; once removed, they WILL readd it, regardless of how long it's been up. And, actually, both this situation and the Serebii mud are similar: Anons wanted somethiong in an article, were adding it in either unsourced or with unusable sources, and trying to make us do so by begging on the talk page. And, actually, this *will* matter even when merged - anons will keep adding it to Mudkip's section. -Jeske 15:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Whatever, I'm jsut pissed cause anons were spamming my talk pae and this talk page for a while, and i jsut wanted them to shut up/--Ac1983fan 15:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The way to get them to shut up is to show them in terms theyt will understand that Misplaced Pages is not the place to be adding information on a meme that only GameFAQs, 4chan, etc., etc. know about, just like it's not the place to expose 4chan's DoS attack against another site. -Jeske 15:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I tried it. HC tried it. you tried it. they don't listen!--Ac1983fan 16:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"In terms they will understand", meaning that if they wanna spam their reasons to add it, spam your reasons for keeping it out and, if they do add it, leave a kind message on their talk page telling them WHY the meme should not be added (WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:RS). If they keep adding it, break out vandalism templates, because they aren't going to listen. -Jeske 16:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

They don't care about policy... Many people have shown them many times why it can't be added. and it's not vandilism, I don't no what it would be called, becuase they arent trying to mess up wikipedia, they are trying to improve it.-Ac1983fan 16:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, repeated violations of WP:NOT and continuing to add unsourced information IS vandalism. In fact, the {{uw-unsourced}} line of templates becomes {{uw-vandalism4}} after they disregard the first three warnings. Further, what they've been adding recently isn't even about the meme. It's simply the title added in a disruptive manner, and warrants {{uw-vandalism}} or {{uw-bv}}. -Jeske 17:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Isn't there some policy about not going overboard with strict adhereance to the letter of some policy? Seems to me that this is a few strict people versus hundreds of people who want the meme listed. Nobody denies the meme is popular knowledge, it's just that no peer reviewed publication will touch it. I understand why, and along the same lines I think part of the reason they are deleting is to censor the 'mental retard humping a plush doll' mention, so maybe we should censor it to make it more appealing to them.

also, why is the page protected? someone is using their power to get their way with the article. i dont think its right.

I think we should add a 'content is disputed, see discussion page' thing. (but I can't, someone locked their version)

WP:IAR can't overrule WP:RS. -Jeske 01:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

So i herd u leik mudkips

It can't? what's the point of "Ignore all rules" if there are rules that supersede it? That being said, I also came here to learn about the meme. Let's face it, it's no "All your base" but it's still ver prevalent, even outside of pokemon boards and gaming sites more generally. So what if it started on 4chan? Also, reviewing this talk page, it seems that there's only one or two people who are seriously objecting to the addition. I'm pretty sure this is the very definition of an edit war. --IsaacGS 03:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

No - I'm not reverting the actual article, this is naught but a bad attempt at Monty Python. The fact is, the reason why IAR doesn't apply in this case is because, while it may be prevalent, it does not have external press nor does it have any neutral secondary sources - both of which violate the core policy of Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, of which Misplaced Pages:Reliable Sources is an ally. All Your Base Are Belong To Us has gotten external press, and its uses are well documented. We would treat any memes showing up at Newgrounds the same way as memes showing up on GameFAQs or the chans.

Furthermore, before you accuse me of editwarring, remember that editwarring needs two or more editors to constantly revert one another. -Jeske 04:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit wars

To tell you the truth, I've never even heard of this cartoon creature until I stalked a vandal over here and the article ended up on my watch list. So I'll declare my neutrality in this because I really don't give a heck.

Looking at the article's history, I've noticed that several editors are skirting awfully close to the edge of WP:3RR, which does supersede the other policies and guidelines you all have been quoting. Adding in the meme is clearly not vandalism, rather it is a content dispute that's shaping up into one of the dumber edit wars I've seen in a while.

My own solution to this would be to slap up an {{Unreferencedsection}} tag on it, wait around for a week or two, then if nobody posts a citation acceptable per WP:V, then delete it. If it instead gets a good citation, it's a part of the article.

Just my two cents on the issue. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 20:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

There have been several discussions, and not a single discussion led to a source provided. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I missed the discussion in the archives before I wrote the above. I do still think the whole thing deserves a write up at WP:LEW. As an aside, someone might want to go through this diff to find what happened to all the citations that have gone missing since this article achieved GA status, unless the merge you mentioned on your talk page will make the matter moot. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs)

Idea

I think someone should add "so i think u liek mudkips" to the article. i think its funny.

Have you been paying any attention to this talk page? Just because it's funny doesn't mean we can add it. -Jeske 05:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

WHO DELETED THE STORY

I put the original muskips story here for reference and someone deleted it. What right do you have to do that? Its important.

If you put it in the article, realize that you need to back it up with a source. There's no middle ground. Either it's adequately sourced or it's gone. -Jeske 13:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

True; as we are an encyclopedia, anything we put on Misplaced Pages must be sourced or sourcable. We can't source 4chan because it doesn't pass as a credible, reliable source. Discussion forums aren't credible sources for inclusion in Misplaced Pages's articles. --Ksy92003 (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

So in essence what you're saying is that urban legends cannot be added to town pages either because the old people that tell them are not credable199.126.32.245 17:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No... what I'm saying is that something needs to be cited form a reliable source to be credible. A discussion board/forum site isn't considered credible because anybody can make something up and put it on there.

Take this scenario: say I was to put something on a discussion site. Then, everybody else repeated it. Would it then be credible enough to be included if it's something that was simply "made up" one day? See WP:NFT; "Misplaced Pages is not for things made up in school one day." It takes time to build up an encyclopedia. Misplaced Pages isn't for something that somebody just said one day and others repeated it. If it were in the news, however, and was considered a "national phenomenon," then that would be completely different. However, that isn't the case; this isn't in the news anywhere nor has been reported on any non-forum website anywhere. Since there isn't a credible site we can go to to reference it, since there isn't a credible source, the information itself (in this case the story) isn't credible nor valid information; it's not valid for inclusion within the article. --Ksy92003 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

199.: the Old-timer's bench is not credible, but a (town) historian would be, if he's neutral. -Jeske 19:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

He isn't credible because there isn't any way of verifying that what he is saying really is an urban legend. It needs to be written down as a secondary source to be credible. Not to say that it isn't credible already because he said it, but again, I could just say something... I could make up an "urban legend" about Long Beach, California if I wanted to, but it wouldn't be credible enough for an encyclopedia because I could've made it up. It needs to be backed up by a secondary source to be credible and Misplaced Pages needs to give credit to that secondary source. --Ksy92003 (talk) 20:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

GA removal

One - too unstable. Two - has a cleanup/expand tag. Three - images are somewhat messed up in their alignment and positioning. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

So, I did some Google searches today.

I got thousands of results for terms such as "so i herd", and "mudkipz", among other variations of the phrase that has become a rather popular internet meme. Why no mention? It meets the notability requirements, without a doubt.

-- Mik 22:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

See WP:GHITS. Just because you got thousands of results doesn't necessarily mean anything w/o a reliable source.-Jeske 22:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Anon's behavior

I just got this rant accusing me of "racism" against Mudkips from the same anon that vandalized this page last. His post shows he doesn't understand why 4chan can't be used (anonymity) and that he is failing to practice what he preaches (accusing me of being overreaching, he's doing a helluva good job just staying inside civility boundaries). -Jeske 03:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I am the anon that posted the gentlemanly reply to Jeske. I am not a vandal. I simply have a strong affinity for Mudkips, one might even say I leik them, and I loathe to see a mudkip treated with prejudice. I understand your argument exquisitely, the thrust of mine is that yours is not sufficient. I will, to defend myself against these slanderous accusations, post said rebuttal to Jeske. Let the users decide my fate. I am confident they will see the truth of the matter.

The article you cited doesn't have any relevance to your assumptions. Since you are insistent on ignoring that you are A. In the clear minority, and B. Not within the rules or spirit of Misplaced Pages, I will go through this article and perhaps illuminate this whole mess for you.

First and foremost, the article begins by stating "this is a guideline, not a policy". This article does not give you the authority to stonewall the majority of users contributing to a page; it does not even mandate that we follow the policies which are laid out in it.

Point the second: The article states "Misplaced Pages:Verifiability says that any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source." multiple users have done this for the Mudkip meme. The article goes on to state that "the responsibility for finding a source lies with the person who adds or restores the material", ergo, the task of finding reliable sources is not your responsibility at all, but that of those who added the content. I repeat what I said before: you have overstepped your bounds.

Thirdly, section one, entitled "What is a reliable source," defines said sources as credible published materials with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy, or are authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. The reliability of a source depends on context... The chan community is the authoritative source when it comes to memes and memetics. I challenge you to find anybody who knows more about memes than a Channer.

Point the fourth: I would like to refer you to Misplaced Pages:neutral point of view. The first section clearly states "None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being the truth". Furthermore, it goes on to state "the neutral point of view is... neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject... Background is provided on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular. Detailed articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of each viewpoint... When bias towards one particular point of view can be detected, the article needs to be fixed."

In conclusion, I would urge you to rethink the extent that you are warranted to edit Mudkips, especially in light of the policies in question. Furthermore, I would suggest you give Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view a second perusal, especially the sections on Bias.

75.68.162.162 17:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Treatise On Anti-Mudkip Prejudice

I have recently noticed a strong wave of anti mudkip sentiment amongst a minority of users and editors of this article. I, according to the ancient traditions and customs of Chandom, have chosen to remain anonymous, and thus, I have been branded as a vandal. A vandal I may be, if that means leiking Mudkips, and ever striving for their freedom from prejudice, and the heavy hand of Misplaced Pages.

Thus it is that I find myself at this juncture, defending myself and Mudkips everywhere; I have deemed it necessary to compose a short treatise in that regard.

The users Jeske and ksy92003, though they be in the clear minority, have consistently stonewalled the inclusion of the Mudkip meme into the article, against all Wikipedean law and commonsense. Above, I have already thoroughly rebutted Jeske's claims. After said rebuttal, he accused me of bias, although it is clear for all to see that I was arguing only in the spirit of neutrality, that hallowed wikipedian virtue.

Jeske's second claim was that Mudkips are in violation of What wikipedia is not, though he has failed to justify this claim. I, personally see nothing relevant in that article to the debate at hand, except perhaps the section entitled "wikipedia is not a bureaucracy."

His third claim was that the meme is not sourcable. I had already proved this wrong in detail with my previous rebuttal, which can be found above.

Ksy92003 then entered the debate on behalf of Jeske, claiming "For instance, if I created some story about the San Antonio Spurs that was completely made up, it has the same reliablity as the Mudkips story." This, we can see, is clearly wrong. If one man, Ksy92003 invents something, it is frivilous, whereas, if a hundred men, or five hundred men invent something, it becomes a cultural phenomenon, sometimes reffered to as a meme. Certainly a cultural phenomenon deserves a place in an encyclopedia?

Furthermore, Ksy92003 goes on to cite Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up in school one day, where it states Misplaced Pages content is required to be verifiable. Unfortunately for Ksy92003, the nature of this verifiability remains a question. Anyone can go to 4chan.org and verify the meme themselves. It is a well known cultural phenomena, appearing there frequently.

In addition, in order to gain a better understanding of the matter, I would direct Ksy92003 to Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, especially the section entitled "Self-published and questionable sources in articles about themselves." This section very clearly states "Material from self-published sources and sources of questionable reliability may be used..." Mudkips are a meme that is part of 4chan. Any reference to the meme is an implicit nod to 4chan. Thusly, any article referring to the meme, is, by association, referring to 4chan.

The article then goes on to list several conditions which must be adhered to if said information is used, the most important being "there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it." The meme in question is constantly being written, at a verifiable source, 4chan.org, by the 4chan.org community.

Thus, in conclusion, I will not rescind my claims. I must act in accordance with my conscience and the clear wikipedian laws on this matter. The racist actions against Mudkips, and their continued exclusion from memedom, are not within the spirit or laws of Misplaced Pages. The laws themselves support the inclusion of the meme. Those struggling against the chains of oppression, are often chafed by them, though they may someday be free. The fate of Mudkips everywhere is in question. I beg you sirs, do not deny them their memedom.

75.68.162.162 17:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I hate to ruin your party, but you DO realize that you cannot attribute a meme to a whole site? You have to say who its author(s) is/are beyond a questionable doubt - an impossibility due to 4chan's being anonymous - or you can't add it per the GFDL.

Second, this is not the article about 4chan. Your argument per WP:V does not apply here, and I note that you skipped over some of it. I will quote the whole subsection, bolding the relevant:

In general, sources of questionable reliability are sources with a poor reputation for fact-checking or with no fact-checking facilities or editorial oversight. Sources of questionable reliability should only be used in articles about themselves. Articles about such sources should not repeat any potentially libelous claims the source has made about third parties, unless those claims have also been published by reliable sources.

and:

Material from self-published sources and sources of questionable reliability may be used in articles about themselves, so long as...

(the rest of it is a list that does not apply in this circumstance).

Third, the meme fails WP:NOT#IINFO, as it is extraneous information which, while well-liked, does nothing fo further the understanding of the subject of the article (just because it has a meme doesn't mean it helps the layperson understand it).

Fourth, I suggest you look at several of WT:POKE's archives regarding sources similar to 4chan (in particular, Misplaced Pages talk:Pokémon Collaborative Project/Archive 14#We're in trouble.).

Fifth, You DO have a bias, as demonstrated in your last paragraph above. Your accusation of bias against me is bogus because, if you haven't noticed, I have not AfD'd AYB, The Ultimate Showdown, etc. I do not mind if memes are on Misplaced Pages, iff they meet the guidelines of Misplaced Pages:Avoid neologisms, Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not, and (especially) Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view.

In closing, I will state that just because 4chan created a meme doesn't mean it's in Misplaced Pages. Whup-de-fragging-doo. Just because someone from Newgrounds makes a meme doesn't necessarily mean it becomes Misplaced Pages material, same goes for GameFAQs people (see Talk:Bidoof).

Regards, Jeske 18:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It looks to me as though this anon is caught in a conflict of interest, referring to him-/herself as being one of the people involved in the meme (read). It is discouraged to use Misplaced Pages "to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals". --Brandon Dilbeck 22:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:SPS applies to the article itself. That is, if we had a Mudkip memes article, then the source could be used. It doesn't apply here. hbdragon88 22:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It still can't be used. 4chan isn't a publishable website, as anybody can add stuff to that website at will. Because of the ability for anybody to say anything they want, it loses credibility as a source because anybody can say whatever they want, even if it's absolutely false. Under NO circumstances can any website that can be edited by anybody in the whole world be used as a credible, reliable source. --Ksy92003 (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, cool. I just came by to give some moral support, as Jeske requested it. hbdragon88 23:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense, not everything that goes on 4chan becomes incredibly popular for no reason. This is one of the bigger memes from the site too; and other memes are placed on the Wikipages they relate too. I'm willing to bet that 80+% of the people that search this Pokemon up come to read up on the meme. Since ED doesn't really explain anything, it should be posted here with a reasonable explanation of what the meme is about. I also think it's pretty ridiculous to give every last Pokemon a page(Because they're really notable, right?), yet not keep a sentence about it on Misplaced Pages. LikuX 14:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, LikuX, I suggest you read through WT:POKE's last few archives and through Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Layout. They *won't* have their own pages much longer. Second, the main problem has been with sourcing; we can't find any reliable source to corroborate what this anon has been pushing down my throat (and another has been threatening me to do on pain of death). -Jeske 16:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I see. It should still be mentioned I believe; same with Desu and Wrrryyy. It's not the games, but it's still popular. It might not be sourced directly to it's origins, but the site would do just fine. LikuX 07:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is, there is no reliable source for it, and 4chan is automatically excluded as a source per WP:SPS. We couldn't use 4chan to source anything unless it were in the 4chan article itself. -Jeske 17:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I came here looking for lieking mudkips. I found nothing. this is truly a dark day for Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.46.96 (talk)

PLEASE NOTE: The original treatise has been submitted to BJAODN (Bad Joke and Other Deleted Nonsense). Congrats!!! --The Raven's Apprentice 06:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I just now noticed that the meme lost an AfD debate for much the same reasons as myself and Ksy have pointed out, plus lack of notability thru the Google Test. -Jeske 17:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Um...hello?

Hi, I'm wondering something, in the gamespot forum site, there are people with pictures of mudkips in it, and investagating, I checked other forums and they've all got the same mudkips in it. Avatars, signatures etc.

Whenever I try to find out what its all about, people just tell me that they heard I like them. Can I get a straight answer please?--70.19.105.174 05:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It's stemming from a 4chan meme (read above). Also, the name of the meme is "so i heard you liek mudkipz" . -Jeske 06:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it's called "so i herd you liek mudkipz". --The Raven's Apprentice 07:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

original mudkipz post, because someone needed to link it. It's not work safe, so don't click if you don't liek naughty wurdz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.147.90 (talk)

It was written in the story as "So I heard you like Mudkips", never as "So I herd you liek Mudkipz". So there must have been a corruption somewhere. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Swampert

The disputes over the meme are starting to spread to the Swampert article, where anons are adding it because Mudkip's semi'd. -Jeske 17:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

What would Misplaced Pages do without these middle-schoolers who tirelessly protect the integrity of the Mudkips article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.142.175.78 (talk)

If that's (i.e. "these middle-schoolers") aimed at those of us opposing the meme, I suggest you change your tone to be a bit more civil. -Jeske 23:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

He's incorrect now tho. I'm a freshman, not a middle schooler.--Ac1983fan 22:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Compromise

In the interest of fairness the "i herd you liek mudkipz" meme should be a different article entirely, thus avoiding all this pointless drama and stupidity.Oldzygote 08:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It will be speedied as recreated content. It has already lost an AfD debate. -Jeske 17:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides, there just doesn't seem to be any good reliable sources about it. Maybe when the Wall Street Journal releases an article about how the meme is changing the world economy, then it'll be notable. But as for now, there just isn't anything worth citing. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope you're being sarcastic, Brandon. But yeah. It isn't worth citing nor is it notable until it is (at the smallest scale) locally mentioned in a published news report or has an affect of any sort on the general population. So far, the only people it has (supposedly) affected is the general 4chan population, which isn't a significant affect to grant inclusion in the article even if it somehow were citable.

It hasn't affected a notable-enough population to warrant it being mentioned in the article. --Ksy92003(talk) 20:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't being sarcastic; I was being facetious. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I actually had to go to Dictionary.com to look up facetious. Anyway, I highly doubt an internet meme will change global economy or have any sort of impact wide-scale or not. But it is, I suppose, possible. Gotta keep the faith =) --Ksy92003(talk) 20:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Mudkips IS notable enough for all that. The reason it isnt picked up is becuase "mental retard raping a plushie" isnt something that can be written in polite society. How many citable articles are there about rimjobs?

That, most certainly, isn't the issue. See WP:NOT#CENSORED, which says that something on Misplaced Pages doesn't have to be written "politely" if it contributes to the article. The reason it isn't mentioned is because, ever since the vandalism occurred on this article, nobody has been able to give us a qualified source to prove that the meme has affected people in any sort of way. Nobody has been affected with the exception of people from 4chan. It hasn't been covered by any news report. If it hasn't been officially mentioned by a qualifiable source, then it can't be included (see WP:VERIFY). --Ksy92003(talk) 01:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

He was talking about why the New York Times isn't writing anything about mudkips. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.53.240 (talk)

The AfD debate is over a year old. The meme has exploded im popularity since then. Thats like denying Lindsey Lohan an article because she only did a few cereal commercials when she was 8. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.53.240 (talk)

Just because it's popular does not mean we can use it. Notability, NOT popularity, please. And, BTW, 4chan is NEVER a reliable source unless it's the 4chan article itself (anonymity).

Second, Lindsey Lohan has done other things since those cereal commercials.-Jeske 03:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Meme is allowed to use questionable sources because it is using meme source to write about meme

Self-published and questionable sources in articles about themselves

Material from self-published sources and sources of questionable reliability may be used in articles about themselves, so long as: it is relevant to their notability; it is not contentious; it is not unduly self-serving; it does not involve claims about third parties; it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; there is no reasonable doubt as to who wrote it.

There you have it: sources of questionable reliability may be used in articles about themselves. Since Lieking mudkips is a 4chan fad, 4chan may be used as its source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.53.240 (talk)

I don't know why I keep returning here just to repeat myself like a broken record !!! 4chan can't be used as a source because it can be changed by anybody at any time, similar to Misplaced Pages. Since it is always being changed, anybody can say whatever they want. Additionally, everybody on 4chan is anonymous, meaning that if they said something, even if it were considered "reliable," they are anonymous and they can't be credited for it. We can't cite 4chan because it can be edited by anybody and it isn't a published source. Next time I have to say this, I'm actually gonna count how many times I've said the same thing. I believe this is my 24th edit to this discussion page, all about the meme. --Ksy92003(talk) 14:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

(You have made 26 edits to this talk page.) --Brandon Dilbeck 18:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. That's because when I last remembered checking how many there were, that was before I had commented in the above section. Oh well, close enough. --Ksy92003(talk) 18:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:SPS's loophole does not apply in this case - this is not the 4chan article. -Jeske 03:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You argument is invalid. Thats like saying you can only use CNN.com to report on CNN.com's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.60.55 (talk)

CNN is reliable (it has editorial oversight, source transparency, and is not anonymous), and I'm about to take this whole mess to WP:RFC if this baiting does not cease. You're now starting to argue for the sake of argument. -Jeske 21:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Dont forget to include the pages of supressed arguments in the "archive" which is conveniently hidden in the mess of infoboxes at the top. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.60.55 (talk)

Opening RFC now On second thought, I'm taking this to the Administrators' Incidents Noticeboard. -Jeske 21:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Trolled

Jeske and Ksy92003 are being trolled on this discussion page by 4channers for fun, and they keep feeding them.

And said 4channers are about to be taken to WP:RFC. -Jeske 21:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

SHUT UP. IM SICK OF 4CHAN, I HATE YOU GUYS. ILL NEVER LET YOUR MEME ONTO WIKIPEDIA. --Ksy92003(talk) 21:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delisted good articles
• Old requests for peer review
• Misplaced Pages pages with to-do lists
• Misplaced Pages pages with to-do lists, unused