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If you start a chat, talk, or discussion, or make comments here, I will respond here and not on some other talk page. Similarly, if I post on your talk page, I'd generally prefer to continue the conversation there. Thus, we can avoid incomprehensible disjointed threads spread over several pages.

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1: 2005-11-10; 2: 2006-02-08; 3: 2006-11-15; 4: 2006-12-23.

Surface Brightness Fluctuation

Why switch to Harvard style references? I'm not used to using those and am curious as to what motivated the change? Thanks. WilliamKF 05:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. I have looked into the issue carefully, and it is the only system on Misplaced Pages that meets all of these objectives:

• Briefest citation in-line with the text.
  • Keeps the text clear and readable in the editing phase.
  • No confusion about duplicate references. The <ref> system requires naming references and an editor may not notice a prior or later occurence of the same reference.
• Identifies the author and year inline.
  • Familiar to researchers.
  • Indicates currency or precedence of references.
  • With the author's name inline, those familiar with the field will immediately recognize valid references.
• Works well as a reference section
  • Allows the reference section to be alphabetized by author primarily and by year secondarily.
  • The detailed information about the reference is in the reference section, not the text.
• Independent of the more common WP reference system, <ref>, which is modeled after footnotes and better suited to that purpose. The two systems can coexist beautifully.

I recommend it highly for all articles with a scientific or academic orientation. Explanations: Misplaced Pages:Harvard referencing, Template:Harvard reference. Hu 06:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you help with doing Harvard references in this article: Planetary Nebula M2-9. In particular, how do I do a small cite so that the infobox does not get bloated? Also, is there an et al form for when there are many authors? Finally, what to do if there is no author like when it is a press release or a database query at SIMBAD? Thanks. WilliamKF 00:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll look into it right away. Hu 01:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the article. Thanks for introducing the Harvard reference system into that article. I used the standard reference system as footnotes to keep the infobox compact. Looks like you got the et al working. For SIMBAD, I fudged it by calling SIMBAD the author. Hu 02:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you look again? I've added notes a, b and wonder if that should be changed. Also, why the change to external links to use & instead of bullets? And, I thought style guide says no space before the footnote. Also, if you are willing to take a look at Protoplanetary nebula which I added Harvard too, that would be nice. Thanks again. WilliamKF 04:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Harvard references discussion

Please join this discussion: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects#Citation_systems I think your input would be useful. WilliamKF 23:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have responded there with my take on the advantages. Thank you for inviting me. Hu 05:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Cronisaur

Your tone suggests you believe I was acting in a disruptive fashion. I was not. I considered the article to fall under the 'hoax' category, which is not deletable under speedy criteria. We disagree on that - and I would have chimed in with a delete under the now closed AfD. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

AfD

I hope no big harm done. Happened the same with myself a couple of times. Since then I don't hit the "save" button on the tagged page until I finish the nomination. `'mikka 10:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

No harm done at all. I just thought I'd mention it. However, your advice seems like an excellent way to proceed, and I will adopt it. Thanks. Hu 10:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

notability - "Paco Nathan" page

Hi Hu,

You flagged the page Paco Nathan regarding notability.

I am the author. I was completing an entry to satisfy dangling links from existing pages in Misplaced Pages, including Boing Boing, Robby Garner, FringeWare Review, and Jon Lebkowsky - which had been on Misplaced Pages for a relatively long time without a destination page.

There are verifiable archives for FringeWare, such as on the Internet Archive, plus other works are archived in the published content of Wired, Whole Earth, O'Reilly, etc., as well as in the open source projects cited.

What other notability requirements need to be provided? Thanks. Ceteri 21:57, 26 December 2006

Please read Misplaced Pages:Biographies. Hu 22:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image incorrectly deleted

You might want to ask KFP that, as he was the one who tagged it as such. —Pilotguy (ptt) 00:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: your edits , , and numerous others involving the same image. The image Image:Benjamin West 005.jpg is not tagged. I don't understand you. I also checked his/her last 500 edits (since Nov. 29) and KFP has not touched that image in all that time. Hu 00:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

That's because the page has been deleted, per his request. The image still exists, but that's because it is linked from commons. —Pilotguy (ptt) 01:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the page deleted, the image is still there. I don't see any request recorded by KFP to have it deleted. If it has been deleted, it should be restored since it is a perfectly fine public domain image used in multiple articles. Hu 01:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

-phob-

Please don't add poorly referenced entries. Please see wikipedia policy about reliable sources. Please also read the section -phob-#Phobia lists and have a good laugh. Happy New Year! `'mikka 06:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I only transferred one entry, acridophobia, in from an unnecessary web page. It has a reference, but you can disagree with its validity. I have no stake in the matter. Hu 06:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Warning

I advise you to self revert on science fiction, you've made 4 reverts within 24 hours on said page (a violation of WP:3RR) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I have not made four reverts. There is no violation. I have made only two reverts (edit history of Science fiction article). I removed the tag, you reverted, I removed it again (first revert), another editor restored it, I removed it again (second revert). It is not correct to claim as the first edit of the chain because it was part of a reasonable edit restoring fit external links, but even if you were about to successfully argue that in some detail, it would mean only three reverts, so there is still no violation. Hu 22:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Partially reverting is still a reversion. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 23:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Please note, I have just delisted your account from WP:AIV (was a WP:3RR report and not obvious vandalism) you may be getting listed at WP:AN/3RR though. Thanks, — xaosflux 22:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the action delisting and for letting me know about it. It was amusing to read that edit and see I had been promoted to admin! Hu 22:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe they intend to put you up for RFA next ;) — xaosflux 23:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

They were doing a minute by minute edit

And there were about three people there reverting. It's possible we just tripped over our reversions? HalfShadow 04:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It's possible, but one way or another, probably a simple accident of reversion. I just thought I'd mention it to you. It all got sorted out in the end. Hu 04:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

RE

OK then, I put the tag. However, it's just that I don't know where to mention to block the user. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 04:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Use Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV). Hu 04:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Partyserver

It is interesting that you have the opinion a game server needs to have a web site to be notable. Indeed, as you argued on the articles talk page "web sites exceptionally cheap and easy to maintain". Does this make them more credible? It is even more intriguing that you first deleted the citation, then argued against the articles credibility. Surely a person who practises Zen and "programming" would know about a language called PHP and a Microsoft scripting technology called ASP, both of which make it impossible to link directly to the Game Monitor Partyserver pages. Perhaps you need to consider getting your facts straight before you choose to condemn an article to your personal opinion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.79.22.130 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

A web site does not make a server notable, but it is absurd to argue that a notable server would not have one. Even if one is not directly linked to the server, a server still benefits from a separate web site. This is proven by the efforts of partisans such as 210.79.22.130 to use Misplaced Pages as a substitute website, which is ina ppropriate. I am not surprised that Microsoft ASP scripting technology makes it difficult to link to the game server, though I doubt it is impossible. I'm on a server that uses real technology and has no difficulty at all linking both ways between the game server and the web site. I do have my facts straight, and the most important fact is that the web page when I last looked at it had not properly asserted or proven the notability of the game server. Finally, I suggest you read Misplaced Pages policy. Hu 08:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Heinlein: Gulf vs Friday

The "Friday" novel page currently says that the novel is "loosely related" to the story Gulf. I think that understates things considerably: Friday is in fact (in part) a careful point-by-point repudiation of everything proposed in Gulf:

• Joe Green in Gulf is taught ultra-rational thinking. Friday is taught totally intuitive thinking.
• Joe Green gives his life altruistically to save Earth civilization; Friday leaves Earth to its fate to settle down and mind her own selfish business.
• In Gulf, Kettlebelly states that evil organizations collapse when the head man is taken out, but that his organization would carry on without a hiccup without him. In Friday, Kettlebelly's complete organization shuts down totally within 24 hours of his death -- but evil keeps on trucking just fine.

And so forth and so forth: The more carefully you read the two in conjunction, the more clear it becomes that Heinlein was very deliberately repudiating in Friday -everything- that he proposed in Gulf. Ending, of course, with Kettlebelly insisting that Friday go anywhere -but- to join the "supermen". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.227.166.46 (talk) 09:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

An interesting analysis. Thank you. I suggest you propose it on the Talk pages of the two articles. Hu 09:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Harvard referencing

Hello Hu. I liked your posting at about Harvard referencing. Can you offer a good example of an article using Harvard references, where everything (in your opinion) is done correctly? I am currently trying to heavily revise an article and have chosen to use Harvard, but don't know of any good existing articles to look at in case of questions. I know that there are official templates for Harvard but am unsure of their value, so haven't used any yet. Thanks. EdJohnston 06:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

64.131.21.148

I received a message from you on the 15th of November 2006 regarding the article on California. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never edited a wikipedia entry in my life. This says I edited a page on the 15th of November, 2006? Well, I just got this computer brand new from Dell on the 9th of January 2007. Why don't you check your facts before accusing someone of vandalism. How rude. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.21.148 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Relax. You are using an anonymous IP address, probably dynamically assigned by your ISP. You can avoid this problem simply by registering a Misplaced Pages ID which you can keep permanently logged in. Or you can just realize that occasionally shared IP addresses will be abused by other people, so if you receive a message that doesn't apply to you, you can ignore it. As a long-time Misplaced Pages editor, I am sure of my facts, whereas you are not, which is excusable because you are a new user. You can check your IP address's edit history here: Special:Contributions/64.131.21.148. Editor ChillDoubt has responded on your talk page with similar information. Hu 20:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Non-standard capitalization of names

Hello, I saw your post at Talk:Bell hooks regarding the related capitalization issue. There is currently a similar, somewhat stagnating discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (capital letters)#Individual typographical choices for personal names, for which I am trying to render input by more editors. Hence I was wondering whether you would like to comment. Regards - Cyrus XIII 09:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

CfM: Science fiction short story collections

The related Category:Science_fiction_short_story_collections has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.

My compliments

I've just viewed some of your comments in some contentious debates, and I was impressed by your ability to project a calm, even temper, despite the vitriol of your colleagues. Way to keep sente! Somegeek 01:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Hu 15:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

An RfC brought up by User:Lukas19 et al.

Hello, sorry to disturb but I thought you might be interested in commenting on this rfC: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/LSLM·Maunus· ·ƛ· 19:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:Complex systems

Thank you for your contribution to the complex system article in the past. Currently there is a Call for Deletion for the associated Category:Complex systems covering this interdisplinary scientific field. If you would like to contribute to the discussion, you would be very welcome. Please do this soon if possible since the discussion period is very short. Thank you for your interest if you can contribute. Regards, Jonathan Bowen 14:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

LÉ Orla (P41)

Yes i know some of the information was inaccurate, misleading and in one case completely worng. I have now updated the page, added references and sorted out the problems. Thankyou for your attention to detail. It was the last Peacock class to get done and i didn't pay it enough attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodym555 (talk • contribs) 11:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Georgiy Starostin

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Georgiy Starostin, by Alex valavanis, another Misplaced Pages user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Georgiy Starostin seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Georgiy Starostin, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Georgiy Starostin itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 08:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Homosexual propaganda

I have read WP:CIV and there is a crying need to write homosexual propaganda with a neutral point of view. Please strike the right note and pave the way for it. Don't pick it off at any rate. Are you ruling the roost? Aende 16:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Clearly you are not capable of Neutral Point of View. Hu 18:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Guy Martin

Dont feel that i am being overly argumentative here, but why did you feel that my entry on Guy Martin needed to be deleted? Seeing as a variety of other comparable racers such as Leon Haslam and Karl Harris have entries i do not see how this article was out of place. Neither do i see, as a TT rider and participant in a variety of other races, as well as a columnist in a national motorcycle magazine, that Guy Martin is an individual not worthy of particular note. Minarelli 17 June 2007

The article did not assert his notability. Simply appearing in races is not notable enough. Did he win any important races? The article did not say so. Hu 01:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, personally i think you are applying your criteria of notability, not wikipedia's. Seeing as the Senior TT only has a handful of professional riders from the entire world, i would say that being a participant is enough to mark someone as suitably notable. I dont intend on rewriting the entry, but i do think it's deletion was informed more by personal opinion than enforcing wikipedia's rules. Minarelli 18 June 2007

I didn't delete it, and I don't have the power to delete it. I only nominated it. Someone more senior than I deleted it. Hu 16:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Blackle.com

In reference to your warning about the Ownership of the site Blackle.com. i have done further research and have identified Heap media as the owner. changes hav been made in the page

Father Flash

Hey why did you delete my article about Fr. Flash, which was perfectly legite. The statements can be backed up from the daily record website - the only reason I didn't is becuase I don't know how. Please re-instate the article so that people 'in the know' can add sources Barrabhoy 19:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I did not delete the article. I tagged it for deletion because 1) the article did not properly assert notability (there are many accused priests), 2) the article did not provide sources to back up the claims, and 3) it was written like an attack on a person. An Admin agreed and deleted the article. If you think the subject is notable, read up on how to write a proper Misplaced Pages article and try again. Hu 19:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Chris dejoseph

The reason that I removed the {{db-attack}} tag on Chris dejoseph is that the article seemed plausibly true. Yes, it sounded strange but there's a lot of strange stuff on TV in genral and in pro wrestling in particular. I couldn't tell if it was true or just "patent nonsense". That's why I put the {{unsourced}} tag on the article.

At least some part of the article is true. If you Google "Chris Dejoseph WWE", you will find out that "The WWE name of the male stripper who appeared on RAW last night is 'Big Dick Johnson'. Well, that's what WWE.com is referring to him as. In a WWE.com clip last week with Jim Ross, he was referred to as 'University of Oregon supporter'. 'Big Dick Johnson' is actually a WWE writer whose real name is Chris DeJoseph." WWE Names Their Male Stripper 'Big Dick Johnson'

--Richard 07:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)