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Be Bold!

Sam 00:25, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Paraná River picture

Hi! I've been working a bit on the Paraná River article and noticed your picture. If you took it yourself, as I assume it was, could you upload it to the Wikimedia Commons, with a license that lets everybody use it? That way the picture would be usable from all Wikipedias and other projects. Of course, if you have other pictures, and the time and the ganas to do so, could you upload them also? Thank you! --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 18:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Guarani mythology

BIEN AHÍ for the pages about guaraní mythology.

and, when will you come back to Paraguay.. uh?

--N0thingness 18:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the article 1 E2 K

Arkyan: The following is a quote from your own User page:

"The reason I cannot side with the inclusionists is because while I agree that "Wiki is not paper", I do not think that this equates to "Anything factual stays". Just because a useless article does not consume significant resources does not make it useful. A bar needs to be set and maintained for what ought to stay in order that Misplaced Pages does not degrade into a mishmash of useless articles and lose its value as a repository of useful, factual, and free information."

After reading your above quoted statement, I am at a loss as to why you deleted my request for deletion of the article 1 E2 K.

I just finished looking at the Category:Orders of magnitude which has 10 articles devoted to various types of "order of magnitude" and also has 8 sub-categories that contain a total of 230 additional articles devoted to yet other types of "order of magnitude" . That makes a total of 240 articles devoted to what (in my opinion) constitutes a "mishmash of useless article" that you profess not to like. Can you give me one useful aspect of any of those articles?

I know that if A is ten times larger than B, that A is one order of magnitude larger than B ... or if A is 100 times larger than B, that A is two orders of magnitude larger than B ...etc., etc.

I see no purpose in having 240 articles devoted to telling me that same thing if A and B happens to be temperature ... or pressure ... or volume ... or mass ...ad nauseum! As far as I am concerned, the whole category should be deleted.

I am not going to revert your editing out my request but I would be interested in learning why you think these 240 silly articles are worth having in Misplaced Pages. - mbeychok 03:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Arkyan, my feelings weren't hurt and you didn't step on my toes. But I still want to know why anyone would think that a request for deletion would be voted down. See my response to your remarks on my User talk:Mbeychok and let's continue this there. - mbeychok 06:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yacy Yateré and Ao Ao

Hi, I translate this articles to portuguese, in pt.wikipédia. Congratulations to your good job in Guarani culture. Sorry for my poor english. I'm not loged here, but you can find me in Jo Lorib, from São Paulo, Brasil.

Help with Translation

Hi, my name is Ricardo Ramírez, I'm from Colombia and I'm working in the article of Cúcuta. Can you help me to translate it from the Spanish Misplaced Pages?

• Cúcuta - Spanish Misplaced Pages - Click
• Cúcuta - English Misplaced Pages - Click

Thanks...

Ricardoramirezj ✍ 15:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

CDP vs Unincorporated

Well, first of all, because politically, there is little-to-no difference between a CDP and an unincorporated community. The difference really only shows in census results. Also, an actual unincorporated community often extends beyond the official CDP boundaries, or it may be much smaller.

Regarding your so-called "objective" definition, where you basically said that Pinal County is just not part of the metro area (I strongly challenge such an assertion, as Queen Creek clearly extends into Pinal County, as does Mesa, and AJ is entirely in Pinal County and at the same time is undeniably contigious with the rest of the metropolitan area), my definition is even more objective -- the areas that are included are those which are part of the contiguous corridor of "urban development" (that is, land that was "urban" according to over 25% of census respondents from the area) which includes most of the city of Phoenix. This excludes Buckeye, if I recall correctly, although that might not be the case in the next census. Also, you added all places in both counties, regardless of the fact that some are rural and are miles from any urban development (for this reason, Aguila could probably be removed). --Node 07:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: USMC film list

You have commented on the AFD discussion for List of films featuring United States Marines, the discussion can be viewed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of films featuring United States Marines.

Following support for my suggestion, I have done a userspace rewrite of the article at User:Saberwyn/Films featuring the United States Marine Corps, with the rewritten article in the top half and the current article with annotations as to their inclusion or non-inclusion in the rewritten list.

I would like to request that you review the rewritten article, and if you think it is appropriate, amend your stance at the AFD discussion. -- saberwyn 11:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

List of films with disabled protagonists

In the articles for deletion discussion of List of films with disabled protagonists you commented that "A list of films about disabilities or that otherwise deal with the subject of disabilities as a primary plot point would be fine, but a list of movies with disabled protagonists by itself is arbitrary and indiscriminate." My understanding is that the "protagonist" of a film is by definition the person the film is about. The list itself may need clean-up, but I would expect that a list of films with disabled protagonists would in fact be a list of films that are about disabled people, and by extension, about disability in some sense. As User:ArnoldReinhold points out later in the discussion, either the disability will be a major plot point, or the way the character deals with his or her disability will be a major element of the story. I hope this is helpful. Crypticfirefly 05:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Cosmic Evolution??

Hi Arkyan,

I noticed that you removed the cosmic evolution page that was up and redirected it to Physical cosmology.

Please give me some insight as to why you decided to do this.

I would like to have the original page back up.

thanks, Ajaya

hi again

hey Arkyan,

Thanks for helping me out with everything. :)

amalla01

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Ethnic-group lists deletion discussions

Hi, I noticed you participated in the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of African Americans (3rd nomination) deletion discussion. If you haven't participated in the very similar Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Chinese Americans discussion, which involves essentially the same issues, please do. There's also the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Caucasian Americans (second nomination). I'll asking everyone who participated in one to participate in the others. I apologize for bothering you if you already have participated in more than one. Best wishes, Noroton 04:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

About the AfD business...

Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for helping me out with the AfD nominations; I got somewhat incorrect information on how to carry this out (some told me that I had to nominate every separate article, rather than to bundle them, like you told me). I'm still new to some of the ways things are carried out on Misplaced Pages, so I also want to apologize for any inconvenience I caused you. ♣ Klptyzm ♣ 19:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

'North America (Americas)'

Thank you for weighing in on this prior AfD. Even though an apparent consensus supported the prior AfD in some way, and the article has been deleted, this has reared its head again -- please peruse and weigh in. Thanks! Corticopia 23:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Unofficial Maps Project

I am glad to see people noticing my work! I try to get at least one new AZ county done a week, and currently, I am working on Yuma County. I originally did the Maricopa county map because I thought it could be updated (especially with how fast Maricopa county is growing, the map I made will be out of date before too long)

But you're right. It is proving to be a chore, so any help is greatly appreciated! I just thought that all the cities, towns and unincorporated places in Arizona deserved to have the same treatment as the cities in Maricopa county. Plus, Arizona was a good place to start, having only 15 counties, it would be fairly easy to get the whole state done. I fear for when someone takes on Texas or Georgia.

Regards, Ixnayonthetimmay 18:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been admittedly kind of lazy lately with this project, and so didn't complete all of the infoboxes for La Paz county. I do try and include the CDPs wherever possible, since it would reduce the number of maps that would otherwise be represented with just a red dot. I would have rather been able to include boundaries for all unincorporated areas, but I guess they are inherently abstract. I am curious to know why, if the Census Bureau recognizes so many other unincorporated areas as CDPs and provides data for them such as area, they don't bother representing them on their maps. Oh well.

I was thinking that for the next iterations of these maps that data for national and state parks as well as other miscellaneous large lots of land should be included along with Indian reservations, but I am not quite prepared for that at this time. I'd rather wait and see if the maps currently done will withstand the test of time and editing by the Misplaced Pages collective consciousness. In regards to if I am going to spread out to other states, I am not sure at this time if I want to take it all on. I picked Arizona because I live here and it was fairly easy, and it took me three months off and on to just get half of the state done. Due to the time constraints of living and working, it might end up being a project spanning years before it ever reached complete coverage of the U.S. Also, the meaningfulness of showing just counties for some cities and urban areas might not be that great (New York City, for example, is spread over five counties). With that in mind, I think I might just try and take on mapping and infoboxing cities and towns in larger urban areas only and see if anyone else is interested in following suit and providing their own great input like you have.

Regards,

Ixnayonthetimmay 00:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Very good work on the remaining maps! Now that Arizona is finished, I feel compelled to ask if you will do any other maps for other states or cities in particular, and if so, which ones.

Ixnayonthetimmay 04:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I just read your follow-up and pretty much agree with your ideas. That is what I will probably do. I have taken a break myself, but I will probably start now with the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex next, since I used to live there. It should prove to be interesting, as the laws of incorporation differ from state to state. I just hope the Census Bureau's maps are sufficiently updated...

Ixnayonthetimmay 00:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Are the maps you are creating grouped into any category? (Perhaps "Maps of X" or "X Maps" or something?) Just checking; I'd like to take a look at your Metro Detroit maps. I'm also wondering what tool(s) you use to make them? Cmadler 18:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Intriguing...a script so that the computers can do the hard work for us! What scripting language are you using..I always wondered what was used to extract useful visual nuggets from data like that. I hope everything goes well and the script project runs into no snags. Good luck! Ixnayonthetimmay 02:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Quantum-Touch (2nd nomination)

Hi. I had to close 'keep' because it's been extensively sourced since nomination. If you want to nominate again, now's your chance. - Richard Cavell 06:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Clay Target Center

Hello, Can you recreate the article: Clay Target Center in the same way you created Ben Avery Shooting Facility: http://www.azgfd.gov/ctc

I think a redirect to the Ben Avery article might be more in line with that. I might be able to write up a section for the CTC there, but right now I'm working on something else. But I will see what I can do. Arkyan • 16:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Matthew Revell

I attached PROD five days ago to Matthew Revell, I was wondering if you could delete this article. Politicalwatchmen 22:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

RfC on ... you know

No problem. Right now MBHiii sees both of us as being opposed to him. He isn't going to listen to what we say. Let him win his "see also" battle on Dixie Mafia... it isn't really a big thing (most people pay no attention to the see also link anyway). That will help him relax. Then he can go off to some other article, and have some other editor criticize his edits. Hopefully he will begin to learn. Good luck. Blueboar 23:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

DRV Vote

Radiant! did not do this well. If there is a swathe of arguments and debates, it is No Consensus. That is how AfD works. Radiant!, however, abused his admin powers. The keepists voted on the policies of WP:N and WP:ATT and on the encyclopedic status of the article in its current state. What Radiant! put as his closure was badly disguised opinion, a fact that can only be reinforced by the fact he nominated the remaining list articles for deletion directly beforehand, therefore suggesting he had planned his closure. He also went up to me and said "they're unencyclopedic" directly beforehand, furthering my last point. In short, Radiant!'s conclusion was what would have been his vote had the AfD been running and he did a terrible job of disguising his opinionated conclusion. This also suggests that he did not take a proper look at the Delete votes as they were grounded in the teachings of the Essay Listcruft and what the article was like before any cleanup. The Keep votes were grouned in policy and were made by those who took the tiome to recognise improvement rather than judge the book by its cover. Hope that's given you some food for thought. Bowsy 18:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I have, and Radiant! has refused to accept what he has done. I didn't post this on the DRV because comments there have been ignored on several occasions. Bowsy 18:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

James Earl Salisbury

You made a nomination for AFD for that article at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/James Earl Salisbury, the debate is scheduled to close today. If you would care to update or clarify your position, your input would be useful in executing wikipedia policy. McKay 15:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

So, if I understand you correctly, you think that the pages referenced in the article don't help to satisfy the notability criterion, because they are "trivial" references? If so, then I think that these are the true kinds of differences that can arise in an AfD, because different people interpret that policy guideline differently. Like I stated before, I thank you for your input on the matter. I personally think that the references are non-trivial, but that's just personal opinion. One thing that has soured me about the AfD process is I think most of the people don't understand the policies well enough, and just make a blind vote. I would like to thank you for the way you put your input in actually following your interpretation of the actual policy. McKay 18:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I've been editing Misplaced Pages for a number of years now, and admittedly, when the article was nominated for deletion, that version of the article was inappropriate. When I created the article, I didn't understand the policies as well as I do now. I've mentioned this before, but I really do think that the article meets notability guidelines. I've read all the way through WP:COI several times now since the nomination of this article. Knowing what I know now, I think that I would still create the article. Like I've said before, if someone thinks I'm being biased in any way, I am very open to constructive criticism. I am very much trying to keep to Misplaced Pages policy here. I think there are several other events in his life, that if I were trying to create a memorial, I would mention, but they aren't able to be sourced in a WP:Attributable manner. I'm doing what I can to remain unbiased, and follow the policies of Misplaced Pages. McKay 19:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Godfather/popcult DRV

Thanks for the note, and I appreciate the attention you're giving this.

I'm aware of that part of WP:CON and, indeed, almost quoted it in my last DRV comment, but decided to truncate it for space. (I have a tendency towards verbosity.) But while, as you rightly point out, "consensus" does not mean "unanamity", it also doesn't mean "majority rules," nor even "supermajority rules." My feeling is that while unanimity is not required, what is required is an evaluation by the administrators of the quality of the arguments made instead of simply an evaluation of the numeric state of the "votes", no matter what quantitative standard is utilized. My feeling is that even if all the comments were in favor of doing one thing, if one commenter made a strong and valid argument in favor of the other course, and that argument had a significant chance of being accepted by a sizable portion of the community, then the administrators really should give that argument the benefit of the doubt and rule that while the specific slice of the community that showed up to vote was in favor of one action, there was a good chance that the debate didn't accurately represent the consensus of the community, as opposed to the consensus of the people who commented.

I suppose this is my own fault, as I think I've been somewhat taken in by the claims made that Misplaced Pages operates on a community-consensual basis, when really, from what I can see, that isn't quite true at all. Instead while its official ideology is community-consensual, in practical action it runs on a supermajoritarian model based on the comments of statistical insignificant subgroups of the whole. That's interesting too, I suppose, but not quite as intriguing as the community-consensual model.

At the very least, I have the answer to the question I kept asking inthe AfD debate, but to which I never received a reply: How is community consensus determined? It turns out that it really isn't, in my view. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 00:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Closing of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of fiction that breaks the fourth wall (Second nomination)

Maybe it's just me, but the 'keep' outcome on this seems lame. I'm going to talk to Cuchullain about it, but if that doesn't work I'm likely to take this to WP:DRV. Mangoe 11:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of ZIP Codes in Oklahoma

In your comment in this discussion, you noted that this discussion should be sent elsewhere. Now that the AfD has been closed, the question now is where to hold this discussion. I encourage you and the other editors (listed below) to find a suitable spot for this discussion and carry out the necessary steps for making a decision.

Perhaps this message does not make any sense whatsoever. In which case, please respond to this message and indicate what you want me (as the closing admin of the aforementioned AfD discussion) to do to carry out the result of the AfD. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 06:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

c.c.: User:After Midnight, User:JzG, User:Elkman User:Dennisthe2, User:Arkyan, and User:Mister.Manticore.

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Celine Dion awards and accomplishments

As you've contributed to this discussion, I thought you should know that a number of similar articles have been bundled with the AfD. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the Haslingden article

Thanks for your help on saving the Bruce Haslingden article from deletion. I really appreciate it. Chris 20:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

List of songs containing covert references to real musicians

You may want to weigh in at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 April 15#List of songs containing covert references to real musicians, since you were involved in a previous discussion of this article. - Jmabel | Talk 05:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

James Earl Salisbury

Hey Arkyan, since you were involved in the James Earl Salisbury AfD, I'm letting you known that after discussion with Mckaysalisbury I've restored the page to generate more discussion, and hopefully a clearer consensus. You may wish to comment on the talk page.--Cúchullain /c 20:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Template:pnc nominated for deletion

See Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Template:pnc for the discussion, which will certainly spill over into larger issues. Your thoughts would be appreciated. --Kevin Murray 23:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

followup on LGAT 3rd opinion requested

Not sure how to ring door bells other than this.. feel free to delete this post. Thank you. Lsi john 23:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Looking for input

Hello, you recently participated in this AfD. There is a discussion going on at the article's talk page about the title of the article, so I am notifying everyone who voted or commented on the AfD in case you wanted to participate in the discussion. Thanks! Tufflaw 00:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On April 20, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Light echo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Mediation on Apple Inc.

Wow, that was quick. Sounds good to me, and thanks for the speedy response. -steventity 17:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Shereth, thank you for supporting my RfA!
I was promoted with a final tally of 68/12/0.
Also, please wish a Happy Birthday to Her Majesty the Queen. Vivat Regina!

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/William L. Rowe

You're certainly welcome and thank you for the kind words. There are certainly occasions upon which I'll weigh in that way on an AfD debate and not have time to actually edit the article right at that moment. But even then, I do try to remember to at least state in the debate from what exactly I'm discerning notability. That way, even if I'm still leaving it to others to follow up, hopefully I've at least made it a bit easier. Happily, this time around, I was pretty much twiddling my thumbs at work waiting for a two-hour code compilation to complete, so that left me with plenty of I-can-do-it-myself time. 8-)

Cheers! Mwelch 20:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Map accuracy

Hi, there's been some discussion at Talk:Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan about a map you added. It looks like your map includes the water area, which makes an extremely tiny community look considerably larger than it is. Overall your maps have been a great addition, but they may need some tweaking with waterside communities. older ≠ wiser 01:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Same applies to Grosse Ile. Cmadler 13:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

user oo7565 thanks for the help and for the record yes i do prod but know i more forcus on looking at the other prod articles and makeing sure they hold up ok but again thanks for the helpOo7565 20:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Arkyan, thanks for participating in my successful RfA. You expressed concern about me not answer the questions; I've written some brief reflections, including an answer to Question 3, in case you're still worried: User:Ragesoss/RfA. --ragesoss 08:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments at the Village Pump

Hi, your comments at the Village pump ] were referenced in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Grünfeld 4.Bf4. As I believe the editor who remarked on them is misinterpreting the substance of the discussion there, I'd like you to clarify your position so that a fuller understanding can be reached. If the AFD closes before you get a chance to respond, feel free to comment on my talk page and on that of the user. Thanks! Mister.Manticore 18:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Indian Mall

Hello. I just thought I'd let you know that I added much more information to the page on Indian Mall; it is no longer a directory-entry stub, and several reliable sources have been cited. Ten Pound Hammer • 20:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I really would appreciate if you'd take another look at this article, as your rationale for its AfD is no longer valid. Ten Pound Hammer • 13:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

deletion review of List of Philippine Presidents by longevity

I've asked for a deletion review of List of Philippine Presidents by longevity. Since you participated in the deletion discussion for this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -Fagles 20:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Dutchess Mall

Just a friendly little note to let you know that I gave this article a significant rewrite. It's no longer a stub/directory entry; also, there are several references, and assessment of notability (it's on land that's in the National Register of Historic Places; also, the mall's flea market was the subject of a 2006 documentary). Ten Pound Hammer • 02:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

P. S. Thanks for the barnstar! Ten Pound Hammer • 22:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of Dražeta

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dražeta. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Duja► 14:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Apple Inc. Dispute

Arkyan. I wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for your work in mediating on the Apple Inc. dispute, and apologise if some of my posts there have recently come across as less than generous in tone: I was becoming increasingly exasperated at the no-budge response of one editor. In this regard, I've made my comments on your proposed compromise, but I think I may take a step back for a while from the dispute. This is not that I may never become involved again, but I feel for now that I've said all I can, and cannot see my input being of value when, in his words, one editor 'will not budge'. Again, thank you for your input (and patience!). I would be happy to take discussion/comments on my own talk page. Yours, frid | _talk 20:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you please modify your mediator responce, as it sounds like, from what you say, I was unwilling to compromise in any way, which is inaccurate, as there were two middle grounds listed, and I accepted one of them. Also when you list "unwillingness to budge on the issue" you don't list what "the issue" is. I don't think its fair to note only my unwillingness to go with one proposal, but not list my willingness to go with the other.--Zeeboid 16:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

purrrrfect. Thanks.--Zeeboid 17:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

DKP

I am requesting a speedy keep on the DKP discussion in light of the references I've added to the article. The article can still use improvement, but this should be more than adequate to satisfy the original reason for deletion. I respectfully request that you withdraw your nomination. Tarinth 20:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd urge you to rethink your position on the Castronova whitepaper. Please actually take a moment to review the source, rather than depend on second-hand claims that describe it as using Misplaced Pages as a source. When you review the document you'll see that it is an extensive analysis of the economics of MMORPGs focused on DKP, which includes quiet a bit of synthesis and references to sources not connected with Misplaced Pages. In fact, the only mention of Misplaced Pages within the whitepaper is when he mentions that Misplaced Pages happens to maintain a list of known DKP systems. Tarinth 23:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Queen Anne close

Hi Arkyan, I just noticed you speedy closed the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Queen Anne, Queen Anne's County, Maryland AfD (wish I knew how that one came about, especially since it really looks like a bit-for-bit copy... oh well).

Anyway, I had thought about doing that myself but then decided not to on account of some vague memory that the proposal to introduce Speedy Redirects, made way back in VfD days, never really got anywhere.

Just out of curiosity (especially since it's my understanding that NAC speedy closes of non-keep AfDs are essentially verboten frowned upon), did the Speedy Redirect thing ever really take off?

Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not questioning your judgment -- just wondering since I like to stay on top of developments in policy. Thanks & cheers -- Seed 2.0 18:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of 'procedure for procedure's sakes' myself. ;) It's just that I wasn't sure what had happened to that proposal and I didn't have the time to really research the matter (Misplaced Pages ain't paying the bills, sadly ;) so I figured I'd just leave it be for now. Anyway, thanks for the quick reply. Hope you have a great evening, eh, lunch (guess I'm a couple timezones to your East). Cheers, -- Seed 2.0 19:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S.: Just a quick heads up: I just noticed that the Agnostic userbox you have on your userpage has been moved.

Question

Am I allowed to ask you questions during this mediation, and if so where is the best place to do so? Steve block Talk 10:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

DKP redux

I've added a comment in response to your willingness to work on the DKP article on my talk page--feel free to continue the discussion there. In short, by all means--let's get you involved in enhancing the article if you think you can do so. Tarinth 12:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the help!

Thanks for moving Afghan training camp

Thanks for your note.

I replied, in detail, on my talk page.

Cheers! Geo Swan 22:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

North-south divide

The person has to disscuss before puting the tag in the first place. He does not give any explanation to why he put the tag on. Why is it a problem for bringing the tag down due to lack of explanation? I hope you reconsider that. Kingj123 22:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry and Thanks.--Kingj123 19:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Question

I posed a question to you at Talk:Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?. Smee 23:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC).

• Sorry for the mess there now, but it seems we reached a resolution, at least regarding our responses to my new question. The question itself, however, still remains on the article's talk page... Smee 04:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC).

Re: Arizona county templates

• Thanks for your opinion! As an Ohioan who goes to college in Pennsylvania, I know rather little about local government rather farther west :-) Since the articles on some of those places said that they were towns, and other articles said they were cities, I thought it best to split them. I can see, however, that a line for "Municipalities" should work fine.
• As far as the population: as an "outsider", I'd prefer not to make such distinctions, especially since the city, town, and CDP articles I checked seem to use census estimates rather than the 2000 official numbers that the Ohio articles generally use. I suppose that someone else could modify my templates later, but I'd rather not do it myself.
• And one last thing: how is the Phoenix template that you gave me defined? Is it exactly one county's municipalities and CDPs, or is it somewhat otherwise?
• Thanks! Nyttend 19:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Not sure when I'll get the templates made, but in my sandbox I have a complete list of places statewide, sorted by what they are (municipality, CDP, other unincorporated). In the mean time, since you give third opinions, would you please comment on the question of moving Village of Oak Creek, Arizona to Big Park, Arizona? Thanks! Nyttend 22:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Last night, I created a county template for each remaining county and placed each one on the county article. I also reformatted the Pima County template to be like the others, except sort by population instead of city/town/CDP/other. At the moment, all towns in Apache, Cochise, Graham, Greenlee, Pima, Santa Cruz, and Yuma Counties have templates, and eight counties remain. Nyttend 14:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Four more counties are done; only Coconino, Mohave, Navajo, and Yavapai remain. Nyttend 17:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

All counties are done. Nyttend 02:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at Bellevue, Ohio: it has four county templates! As a matter of fact, it is possible to hide these templates: see Template:Delaware County, Ohio compared with the Arizona ones; someone recently went around and converted a few county templates from central Ohio to this format. I'm not exactly sure how it works, since (if I remember right) when I tried to convert another one, it looked really bad. That's why I made the Arizona templates as I did: I knew that they weren't the best, but they'll be far easier to improve now. Nyttend 13:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Your thoughts requested

As you recently gave the 3O comments for this related issue, and my edit in question was actually before your comments, but after Jossi's, I was wondering if you could provide your thoughts at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Smee_reported_by_User:Lsi_john_.28Result:.29 ? Regardless, I will most certainly take your 3O comments into consideration, from Talk:Mind Dynamics. Thank you for your time. Yours, Smee 22:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC).

Smee is attempting to justify revert warring. Lsi john 22:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

• I am simply asking for you to take a look at the material posted in that section of the 3RR page, and give your thoughts on the matter. As for User:Lsi john curious sudden appearance on your talk page, I can only say it takes two to edit war, but for my part I am done with that on those articles, as I am satisfied with the resolution on both talk pages. User:Lsi john may have stated that he has only stopped edit warring while waiting for the 3RR outcome, but I will not continue regardless. Therefore, in my opinion, the issue is resolved, and any action would be punitive in nature only. Smee 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC).

Hi!

Hi! I come from Finland, and I dont speak very well english, whereupon you possible dont understand all what I try say. You can ask whenever what I try say, if you dont understand.

I want ask this: what means three lines in this map? And what are areas what belong anywhere town? Towns are like ´´islands´´ in a ´´see´´. In Finland all country are cut in townships (Image:Halsua in Finland.png).

Ragoni 20:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Are native american reservations same thing as indian reservations? How many native american reservations are in Arizona? Why in this map, borders are different than in this map? Are all areas what aren't municipalities, native american reservations?

Ragoni 11:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Are in Arizona Soccer Arizona's Championships or somethings else Arizona's Championships? Ragoni 09:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Penelope Fillon

Good explanation on the close. Good work. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 01:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Maricopa County Map Updates

Hey Arkyan,

I am still trying to keep up on the Maps project, so since MAG has released a new map, I have taken to updating the maps I made a few months ago accordingly. I have noticed that you uploaded some additional maps for assorted unincorporated cities that I didn't create originally, and I just wanted to give you a heads up that I would like to re-upload updated .svg files for these as well. I will go ahead and leave the maps you made alone until you give the word, at which time I will upload the maps based on the locations on your existing maps.

Regards,

Ixnayonthetimmay 09:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

By the bye, how is your venture to make the mapping process more automated coming along?

Your comment on my talk page re: i-prefix

I appreciate the notification on my talk page. I looked over the new article, and it looks like you did a good job with the merge. Thanks. ◄Zahakiel► 13:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

AFD discussion

Thanks. I was thinking that discussion was not quite over and that the merge you mention should take place. -Indolences 14:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

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Your RfA

I've posted an optional question for you. –Pomte 23:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

{{afd}}

Thanks for the kind comments. {{afd}} makes me sick.

1. I dread it because way too many participants see the deletion fora as a free fire zone where WP:CIV doesn't apply.
2. And I dread it because an alarming number of participants feel free to exercise a kind of know-nothingism — "If I never heard of it, or I don't like it, it is not notable."
3. I dread it because it seems to me hardly any participants are prepared to actually read the responses I put to the concerns they raise.

That guy Nick Mallory? I don't believe I have ever interacted with him before. Where did his venom spring from?

I think the viciousness of the deletion fora, and some issues around it, represent the wikipedia's most serious weakness.

What is really missing from the wikipedia is a fora where wikipedians can have a calm reasoned discussion of the pros and cons of the various competing unerlying design philosophies. Deletionism, Inclusionism, Mergism,

Instead I am aware of no disccusions whatsoever of the strengths and weaknesses of these underlying design philosophies. Instead, what I think I see is competing cabals, who not only don't have a meaningful discussion with proponents of the competing philosophies, they don't even discuss the strengths and weaknesses with other proponents of their own philosophy. As I see it, as the wikipedia grows, this problem will grow more acute, and may shatter the wikipedia.

What I am afraid I see is that instead of having meaningful discussion proponents use the deletion fora, and other similar fora, to form packs and gang up on the proponents of other design philosophies.

I have had several administrators tell me, "You can't discuss deletionism". No, I am not making this up. Even if all they meant was the deletionism was too entrenched, and I might as well save my breath, that is very alarming.

What is my design philosophy? I worked as what we would call an intern on Ted Nelson's Project Xanadu for a term when I was in University. Are you familiar with his work? He and Douglas Engelbart are the two guys usually credited with the idea of a hypertext. Ted coined the term. He is a brilliant guy. Very foresightful, big picture wise.

I fully agree with him that the implementation of the standard web-pages is incredibly flawed. Standard web page links are one-way. Unlike the wikipedia, there is no "what links here" button. Deletionist, and more particularly Mergists, don't really understand how powerful the wikipedia's "what links here" feature is.

Well, I won't go on about Nelson's ideas, without invitation. But even when Deletionists and Mergists are acting based on their chosen underlying design philosophies, like in the deletion fora, no one is prepared to listen to anyone who doesn't already agree with them.

About the Guantanamo articles, Arkyan, there aren't dozens of them. There are over four hundred. I don't know exactly how many, but there is one for every captive whose transcript, or summary of evidence memo has been released. And there are articles for the captives who won mention in the press prior to the initiation of the CSRT, or who won mention in the press even though the didn't participate in their CSRT or ARB.

The reason why I mention this is that I really, sincerely, don't see how a union list could replace the individual articles. I mentioned. the draft of a union list that is in my rough notes -- ]. I keep mentioning how huge it is when people bring up the idea of a union list. But no one ever responds to this. If you are prepared to spend a few minutes looking at the file, it may take most of the first minute to render the file, but I would be really grateful if you could spend the part of the remaining minutes looking at it.

Cheers! Geo Swan 17:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer to help

Yeah, it was a lot of work. Well over 1000 hours. Maybe well over 2000 hours.

After I wrote to you User:Dysepsion left another message on the {{afd}}, where he repeated that the only personal stuff was in the first sentence. (presumably he meant the first sentence.) I left him a ] too, which may have been a mistake, since I know it is considered bad manners to take {{afd}}s to people's own personal talk pages. After I left him a message I realized what has happened. Everyone has their screen resolution at 1024x768 or 1164x864. And they are only seeing the first screen full of the article. No one is scrolling down to the factors.

And, no offense, I remembered your comment about the looking at dozen identical articles. Initially I didn't put in those two or three paragraphs explaining the context of the combatant status review tribunal and the context of the administrative review board. I got complaints. People needed some kind of context. But very a very small handful of exceptions the articles are all different. Different allegations. Different testimony. Sometimes press reports.

Abdullah Kamel Abdullah Kamel Al Kandari is one of the longer ones. So is Abdullah Khan's.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think the material in those articles merits coverage on the wikipedia. Now, I know I don't own my contributions. If I have become myopic, too focussed, and the consensus is this level of coverage is too detailed maybe union articles makes more sense.

FWIW Walid Said Bin Said Zaid is already on two lists, over and above List of Guantanamo Bay detainees — al Farouq training camp and al Qaeda safehouse, Karachi.

I have a philosophical problem with excessive merging individual articles to lists, instead of having lists that supplement individual articles.

One of the little chapters in Ted Nelson's brilliant book "Computer Lib" had some cute little pictures of piiles of blocks. One pile had blocks labelled "God", "Man", "Yale". Another pile said something like "Birds", "Bees", "Flowers". IIRC he said something like, "All hierarchies are essentially arbitrary". He is right. This is deeply and profoundly true. IMO anyone who tells you that a particular order is the obvious order, has a POV they are pushing -- and probably isn't aware of it. Taid Said Zaid.

• We could eliminate his article, and try to shoehorn details about him on the list of Saudis.
• We could eliminate his article, and try to shoehorn details about him on the list of people whose names start with "Z".
• We could eliminate his article, and try to shoehorn details about him on to the list of people alleged to have attended the al Farouq training camp. (the most widely attended al qaeda training camp, one he is actually alleged to have attended...)
• We could eliminate his article, and try to shoehorn details about him on to the list of people whose names, or known aliases, were found on "a list of 324 Arabic names".

If we eliminate the article about any particular captive, and shoehorn some of the details about him onto a list, then we seriously short-change any reader who wants to traverse the tree of human knowledge through a different path than the list maker.

If, on the other hand, we have a larger cloud, or smaller, more connected articles, readers have the freedome to choose to travers the multidimensional tree of human knowledge on their own path, with no artificial restrictions.

This is profoundly powerful, and this power is lost whenever we let a list-admirer lock us in the heirarchy that makes sense to them.

If the main details, even the relatively modest ones we have about Said Zaid, are in an article devoted only to him, then all the lists he could belong in can link to his article, without shoehorning in details about him, and his compatriots, onto lists where those details don't really belong.

I warned you about my frustration that no-one wants to listen to others advance the advantages of the wikipedia's competing underlying design philosophies.

I have to be careful about those suspicious lists. I am extremely curious about them. I would love to do something like traffic analysis on them. But I can't do that in article space. That would be a violation of WP:SYN or WP:NOR. I am not going to do that. But simply wrapping a list of the the captive's listed on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's web-site would not be a violation of WP:NOR. At least I think it wouldn't. Just as it I don't think lists like allegations that Tablighi Jamaat has ties to terrorism, Casio F91W, al Farouq training camp, Khalden training camp, don't violate WP:NOR

There were a bunch of newspaper articles, shortly after the transcripts came out, that tried to list all the captives who faced the allegation that they owned a Casio watch. There were newspaper articles that listed the known alumni of Khalden, or al Farouq. They only found a dozen watch owners. Similarly, they listed a few more than a dozen alumni. Well, the wikipedia lists over a hundred al Farouq alumni, and several dozen Khalden alumni. Some people might say this is "original research", but some of the more experienced people I trust concur with me that this is merely collation, and fully complies with policy, so long as I am disciplined enough to refrain from injecting my own opinions.

Cheers! Geo Swan 03:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for Third Opinion

template:History of Manchuria is suffering from extensive revert warring, and discussion is heading nowhere. A RfC was filed, but was only able to get one outside commentor. Please provide a third opinion on whether template:History of Manchuria should be titled History of Manchuria or History of Northeast China to facilitate dispute resolution. Thank you. 08:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for mediation

Hi, we have filed the formal mediation request. Feel free to participate at Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/Taylor Allderdice High School. You are not listed as a party, so you have not to put your signature. Cheers! --Neigel von Teighen 17:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

For your consideration in mediating Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-05-31_Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006

I gave up on fighting TDC over this article last year. So for all I know, his recent deletions that led to this mediation request can all be justified by WP policy - even if motivated by his political agenda. However, I do not believe that he edits in good faith - for reasons that I have placed on the article's Talk page here: Talk:Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006#Why_WP:AGF_does_not_apply_to_Torturous_Devastating_Cudgel Ribonucleic 19:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Brown's gas

the fact that this article keeps being resurrected in a slightly different form by a different editor is a fairly strong indication that this is a notable subject that people keep coming here to find information about.

But you want it deleted? That makes no sense. Every time we try to write a neutral article to debunk this stuff, Nomen comes in, disrupts the article with pseudoskeptical garbage, and nominates it for deletion. Why are you supporting this when you claim to want a neutral scientific article? — Omegatron 17:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

"Deletion processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. Using XfD as a "protest strategy" in an editorial or Neutral Point of View (NPOV) debate is generally an abuse of process."

It needs work, not deletion. Deletion is for things we shouldn't have articles about. — Omegatron 17:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks.

Also make sure you read through both articles. I completely rewrote Brown's gas the other day to focus on the patents instead of the bogus claims, so it's a different sort of article and I don't think there's any reason to delete it. HHO gas I'm still working on, because the claims in the journal article are hard to follow. But still, articles shouldn't be deleted just because they're unfinished. — Omegatron 18:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA

Hey, sorry that your recent attempt a becoming an admin failed. Apparently people are too worried about deleting wasteful articles than promoting good users. BH (Talk) 20:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, youre a good user who hopefully will consider taking another shot at adminship down the road BH (Talk) 21:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add: I'm sure you'd make a very good sysop, and it is a shame that those stupid "deletionist" witch-hunt allegations played a large part in sinking your RfA, rather than focusing on your solid grasp on policies and guidelines and respect for community consensus. Nevertheless, keep up your good work on the project, with maybe a little bit more work in mainspace, as that was the other main argument opposers had; in a month or two, I'm sure you'll pass with flying colors. Krimpet (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the supportive thoughts. The "deletionist witch-hunt" line rather amuses me :) All the same I'm glad to see that most people are willing to judge on contributions rather than statements of opinion, even if the few who judge otherwise were the deciding factor. Either way I intend to keep up my work here with no real change, and perhaps in a couple months give it another shot and see if people aren't more willing to look past a philosophy and at contributions. Thanks again! Arkyan • 15:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• I'm pretty much known as an inclusionist and I don't really have a problem with you being an admin. I really wanted to support you at your rfa but I felt even a strong neutral comment might prove disruptive to the then active mediation. Had I known how that was to play out I would have. I'd like to apologise for that. For what it's worth, I think you'd have made a good admin. Steve block Talk 18:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• I really appreciate the vote of confidence. No need for an apology though, I can totally understand your point, as a vote on the RfA could have been misconstrued as some kind of conflict of interest given the Medcab case underway. There's nothing wrong with your wanting to play it safe - and there's always next time, should I try again in a while :) It is a shame the case had to close the way it did though, and I am sorry that in a way, the rug was pulled out from under you. Thanks for your work during that case, I think you presented yourself and your view masterfully. Arkyan • 18:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Well, thank you back. Look, if you ever want to run again, I'll gladly nominate or co-nominate you. With regards that case, to be honest, I think it has dragged out long enough, over a year now, but this is wikipedia. I console myself that there's no deadline and nothing is set in stone. Steve block Talk 18:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• I appreciate that! Should I choose to try again or someone brings up the possibility of a nom I'll be sure to let you know. Perhaps in a couple months. Meanwhile, see you around the 'pedia :) Arkyan • 20:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

My RfA ...

Hi. Thanks for supporting my request for adminship. It was successful and I am now an admin. I'm sorry that your RfA didn't succeed -- I don't think your deletionist philosophy should even have been an issue unless people thought you would close deletion debates against consensus (which I note nobody argued) -- and hope you will try again soon. I've always taken away a positive impression of you from our interactions at AfD and I think you could help a lot as an admin. If I can ever be of help, please let me know. Cheers, Black Falcon 05:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Rfa

Just dropping by to say "thank you" for supporting me in my recent my RfA. I passed the vote, and am now an admin. It will take me some getting used to with the new tools, but I thank you again for the trust. Have a good one, and, as always, happy editing! Jmlk17 05:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

	File:Hersfold.JPG	Thanks...
	Thank you for showing your support in my recent RfA. Unfortunately, consensus was not really going my way, so I decided to withdraw my self-nomination last night. The final vote tally was (15/7/10). Your support does mean a lot to me, and I will certainly let you know when I go for my next RfA, most likely in a few month's time. Thank you again, and happy editing! Hersfold 17:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeffco maps

• Great work putting together those maps for Jefferson County municipalities. (). You have my admiration. --Dystopos 04:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! It's always nice to know that someone has noticed your work :) Arkyan • 22:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Maps

Hi Arkyan. I like the maps you made for Mobile and Theodore! I'd like to make one for Semmes. Can you tell me what tool(s) you used and how you created them? Thanks Вasil | talk 22:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! The maps were actually made from the US Census boundary files located here. I wrote a custom PHP script that converts these files into the SVG maps that you see on the 'pedia. Unfortunately since Semmes is neither an incorporated municipality nor a Census designated place, it doesn't show up in these boundary files and thus didn't get a map generated. What you can do is take one of the existing Mobile County maps (such as the one for Mobile) and change it to make a dot on the map to represent Semmes, since it doens't have official boundaries. I also use the Inkscape program which is a free SVG graphics editor here to touch up the maps, and I'd suggest downloading it and using it if you'd like to generate and modify SVG images. Or, if you'd like, I could do that and upload one as well. Arkyan • 22:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fast response! I was thinking of creating one for Semmes based on the zip code (36575). Is this plausible? If you've the time to create one I'd appreciate it. I'd like to do it but it might take me a bit to get up to speed. Вasil | talk 22:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure. The script I have isn't compatible with the ZIP code boundary files so I'll have to manually insert it but it shouldn't be too hard. I'm about out of time today though, but I'll try to get around to creating one for you tomorrow and getting it uploaded. Arkyan • 23:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Sweet! That's right neighborly of you. Thanks, Вasil | talk 14:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice work! Thank you very much! Вasil | talk 16:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You're quite welcome :) Happy to assist. Arkyan • 16:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Arkansas

the way you said it was perfectly OK with me from the first--I was trying to say that I felt thoroughly stupid about it, because I apparently checked it too superficially. And I was so proud of seeing the break, for as you say there was a break. At least I wasn't the only person who was caught out. I fixed the wording to clarify so nobody will think I'm complaining.DGG 23:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: AfD closure

I'm not going to reopen. There are many redirects on wikipedia that are based off typos. Who knows, maybe someone searching for it in the future may forget the second parenthesis and validates the redirect. Kwsn 17:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You mean DRV? RfA is for adminship. Kwsn 17:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bangladeshi cricket team in Australia in 2003

Brave move! but well founded.Garrie 06:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. :) Seeing as the 5th day of the AfD is imminently dawning, I have tried to split them up into the number of articles which have since undergone development and the great majority that have not, feel free to review my categorisation (it was more to separate the speedies from the others). Orderinchaos 17:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Standard Equipments Used In Carrom

I was thinking that, unless you are closing the AfD discussion along with adding the {{db-copyvio}} tag, you should keep the {{AfD}} tag too. --Evb-wiki 15:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• I didn't notice that the {{AfD}} was gone. I didn't remove it though, it looks like the article author is the one who took off the AfD tag. I'll go replace it and keep an eye on the article to make sure the author doesn't take it or the {{db-copyvio}} tag off, either. Arkyan • 15:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, yeah . . . it looks like you're right. Sorry. --Evb-wiki 15:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
    • No problem, no harm done :) Arkyan • 15:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you visiting and commenting at my RfA, I have tried to expand on my philosophy and answers, and quite a lot has happened since you last commented. I do hope that the new comments address your concerns. Even if they don't, thanks for stopping by! DrKiernan 15:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Standard Equipments Of Carrom

You had deleted my three articles that these are copyrighted. i want to add that Laws of carrom are only copyrighted to International Carrom federation not with any websites. The source was pscamohali.googlepages.com not carrom.org. You are not supposed to write anthing like this without knowing about particular game. I am a carrom player and playing since above 10 years but i have never heard of copyright with laws if you dont want to keep the article simply ask me i am not mad to throw my contributions or my works here. WHO IS THE ADMINISTRATOR????......user:hpt_lucky 16:26, 16 June 2007

Ck lostsword's RfA - Thanks

	Thanks very much for your support in my recent RfA, which passed successfully at 40/2/1, making me Misplaced Pages's 1,250 administrator. Your comments were much appreciated, and I will endeavour to fulfil your expectations as an admin. ck lostsword • T • C
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ck lostsword • T • C 17:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

my RFA

Thank you for supporting my RFA. I hope I will live up to your expectation. Let me know if you need any help, or I make any mistake. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Zona Norte

Hello Arkyan, There is a translated version from the WikiEs in the discussion for Deletion.

The Spanish article was based on this entries on this blog:

http://experienciastj.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Hey there

Hey there, just wanted to know that my comment on the AfD wasn't to insinuate that you don't know WP guidelines, I was just bringing up for discussion purposes. Have a good day. --sumnjim 15:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

No offense taken. Happy editing, Arkyan • 15:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		For your excellent complete re-write of Zona Norte!! --Oakshade 02:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Arkyan

Thanks for cleaning up my mess with the website-stub page, it's my first time here and i'm finding it a little confusing! Where can I post an article correctly? Mediademon

Various locales in Bradley County, Arkansas

Remember Vicks, Moro Bay, etc. Good catch with those; each - and others - has been the subject of vandalism by altering the population numbers. BTW, I learned that the census bureau does publish estimated populations annually, however these are limited to counties and certain larger or incorporated places. Each data point for the little burgs in Bradley County was off (usually by a factor of 2 or more), trying to track down the culprits yielded newbies and ip addresses. But I've cleaned up the worms you've unearthed. Hard to catch those things. :-) Carlossuarez46 22:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

New York City population

What is your source for the 2006 count of 8,214,426 for New York City? Alansohn 16:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• It's . I'll add the cite to the article. Arkyan • 16:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the info and for adding the source to the article. Alansohn 18:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Sure thing. I wasn't quite fully awake when I started slapping the new Census data into these articles and the first few went without the cites. Thank you for calling it to my attention. Arkyan • 18:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

2006 Populations

Is there an easy and efficent way to change all the populations, say for examples all the Iowa counties and cities? Is there some program that can change them all, or would I have to go in and manually update them all for the new estimates? Thanks, Ctjf83 03:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately no. It is possible to write a script or a program to do this sort of thing for you, and here we would call such programs a bot but unless you're well versed in programming it tends to be more trouble than it is worth. Your best bet is to probably do the updates manually. I would offer to use my bot for the task, as I have a bot that is slowly updating every city article, but it will be some time before it gets to Iowa. Arkyan • 03:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio warning

Hey, I noticed you just warned User:PennyBot123 about copyvio. I thought it worth pointing out that this user has been indef blocked. Just to save you wasting time warning if you find any more (which, judging by the talk page of the user, seems likely). Angus Lepper 15:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the Benjamin Bratton article has been radically overhauled, just in case you fancied giving it another chance at its AFD. If it helps, I was strong delete until I did a bunch of work on the article. See how you feel, your call. All the best. The Rambling Man 20:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. Not precisely my preferred outcome but it's always good to see people improving articles instead of expecting someone else to do it :) Arkyan • 21:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I'll be back to try again in the near future. Hiberniantears 14:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

My (Kwsn's) RfA

Thank you for your input at my recent RfA. It unfortunately did not succeed, but I'll try to make improvements on the concerns your brought up. Hope to see you around. Kwsn 15:41, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, don't worry about it, it was more of a "frustration with waiting for admin tasks" moment. I probably will try later. Kwsn 18:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and another thing: To me, that RfA was more like an editor review since I didn't have high hopes anyway. Kwsn 20:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I noticed that your edits were impressive and so I've decided to award you this Original barnstar! Wikidudeman 15:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Well, I was looking for a prettier way to do this, but I'm not very artistic, so I'll just say thank you for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. I look forward to serving the community in a new way. Take care! -- But|seriously|folks  08:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion welcome at deletion review for Plot of Les Mis

After Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Plot of Les Misérables closed as a deletion, I'm challenging the way the closing administrator acted as in violation of Misplaced Pages rules. Your participation is welcome at that discussion, Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2007 July 14. Please keep in mind that only arguments related to either new information or to how Misplaced Pages rules were violated or not violated in closing the discussion will be considered. It isn't a replay of the original AfD. I'm familiar with WP:CANVASSING and I am alerting everyone who participated in that discussion to the deletion review. I won't contact anyone again on this topic, and I apologize if you consider this note distracting. Noroton 04:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my successful RfA. I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me. I especially appreciate the support I received from editors with whom I've interacted extensively, like you. :-) Carlossuarez46 21:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• Congratulations on your successful nomination! I'm sure you'll make a fantastic admin and look forward to continuing to work with you on the project. See you around! ɑʀкʏɑɴ 22:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This needs to be solved

I have taken the "List of Companies" problem (what to do with an entire class of articles that get repeatedly submitted for deletion en mass?) for debate to two different places. This really needs to be solved once and for all (we can't keep debating the same stuff for eternity). Would you take a look at either the discussion on the Village Pump or the relevant wikiproject? Aditya Kabir 15:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Male genital mutilation

I've requested this mediation months ago. I tried to accomplish some neutrality, but I've noticed that POV-pushing from pro-circ editors on circumcision and related articles ans redirects was too strong to fight. And some of this editors are admins. So I decided that it is better for me to give up dealing with such editors, than to uselessly lose nerves.

But if you want to try to make this articles more neutral, go ahead! Because answer on your question is yes, there is still still an dispute that requires mediation.

Even if you decide to de-list the case, thanks for showing the interest! Good luck! --antiXt 16:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to call you on what you said to see if you are bluffing :P . Okay, so doing random articles I found a town called Hampstead Maryland. I looked up its shopping centers and found over 10. I chose what news sites were considering as the biggest and here is what I found. Looking it up, its called North Carroll Shopping Plaza. It is between Hampstead and Manchester Maryland. I found these links on it: http://www.mde.state.md.us/assets/document/brownfields/N_Carroll_Shopping.pdf http://www.epa.gov/superfund/programs/reforms/reforms/2-11.htm http://ccgovernment.carr.org/ccg/plan/w-splan/2006%20update/chapter4.pdf http://dnrweb.dnr.state.md.us/download/bays/libres_char_text.pdf They are owned by HM Mall Associates. And they opposed Weis food store from opposing them: http://www.weisproject.com/articledetail.php?num=6 It is also called North Carroll Plaza. They have a WalMart which has caused controversy and other news. http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22North+Carroll+Plaza%22&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.carrollcountytimes.com/articles/2007/04/10/news/local_news/newstory2.txt&w=%22north+carroll+plaza%22&d=e7ZryurnOq8o&icp=1&.intl=us http://ccgovernment.carr.org/ccg/compplan/hampstead/chapter%2010.pdf http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22North+Carroll+Plaza%22&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.carrollcounty.com/articles/2007/04/18/news/local_news/newstory4-01.txt&w=%22north+carroll+plaza%22&d=ekhF5OrnOtbA&icp=1&.intl=us

Website of the owners I think: http://www.cordishleasing.com/

My search terms were North Carroll Shopping Plaza and North Carroll Plaza. NobutoraTakeda 19:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• The offer I made was genuine, but the problem with the provided sources here is that none of them offer any contextual information about the shopping center, let alone establish any sort of notability. They are almost exclusively government planning documents which merely list the site. This is not the sort of thing that is meant by reliable sourcing. Karrinyup Shopping Centre, on the other hand, now contains a number of news articles that (again, based on the titles) are about the shopping center itself and demonstrate that it has some measure of notability. Again, should you find multiple sources that actually contain substantial, contextual information about this shopping center (and not incidental mention in a list) I would be happy to assist with article creation. The sources you have provided give me no information upon which to build an article. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 20:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I provided two news articles also. The government articles were to establish where it was and how it fit into the town planning. One of them declares that the county and state government feel it is one of the biggest shopping centers in the area and important for economic growth. That has to account for something if the other one counts as being notable. NobutoraTakeda 03:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

For example: http://ccgovernment.carr.org/ccg/compplan/hampstead/chapter%2010.pdf The government's plan. On page 123 it says "The two existing major concentrations of commercial development are in the area of Roberts Field Shopping Center and North Carroll Plaza. Opportunity exists for further development of these sites and some surrounding property. To maintain the integrity and success of these areas, commercial development should to be concentrated here or in the downtown areas. Allowing commercial development outside of these areas would hurt the existing businesses". If the government finds it important enough to focus only having businesses on the North Carroll Plaza and the other Plaza then it must be important location to more than just the citizens. There is also mention of the Wal Mart. It is also under local controversy if you look at the two provided news articles. Thats more notability than what was given for the other site.

The information is the equivalent to: "During the latter part of the 1960's, the Metropolitan Regional Planning Authority developed the Corridor Plan for Perth which was published and adopted in 1970. The plan called for the creation of five 'sub-regional' retail centres". And the Wal Mart info is equivalent to: "During 1997, major works commenced to provide a significant upgrade to the centre. Initially valued at $95.3 m AUD (1997), the redevelopment on completion expanded letable floor area to 54,400 m² and included;" I can get you more information. There was over 1,000 results on the topic. NobutoraTakeda 03:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Look - either you are seriously misinterpreting Misplaced Pages's notability criteria or this is just some disingenuous attempt to bait me, to what end I don't know. I'm not going to argue with you ad nauseum about why appearing in planning documents does not establish notability whilst a news article covering the event is. Consider reading WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:ATT. If you are genuinely interested in creating an article about North Carroll Shopping Plaza and genuinely believe you have sources to establish notability then I have no issues helping you. However the apparent familiarity you have with policy indicates that you have no need of having notability criteria explained to you, and the vehemence with which you are arguing for the deletion of Karrinyup Shopping Centre leads me to believe you have no real interest in creating articles about minor shopping centers and you are trying to prove a point. Such behavior is antagonistic and disruptive and I have to ask you to stop. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 04:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Another map update

Hey Arkyan...

I have been focusing mainly on the major agglomerations where a large population resides, and where the maps tend to change. This is why I haven't been using the Census 2000 data, and trying to find sources more up to date. I must congratulate you on your work though... to slough through all of those maps, even using assorted custom tools, is quite an accomplishment.

Right now, I am (slowly) working on Clark County, Nevada aka Las Vegas, but was planning on returning to do other counties in the general LA/Southern California area, such as Orange, San Bernardino and Imperial counties. If you would like to generate maps for me based on the PHP script you made, I would very much appreciate it...I would probably update the actual incorporated area boundaries based on whatever most recent files I could find. I would be sure to give youi due credit, though :)

Again, my maps project has been pretty much unofficial..I am still trying to learn the consensus and "formal procedure" for projects and whatnots that Misplaced Pages seems to have, and trying not to piss off too many people along the way.

Again, very good work!

Ixnayonthetimmay 02:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Advice please

A primarily religious cabal dominates the Circumcision topic ... to the point where many subsections are fraudulent. Gross omission and misrepresentation of fact.

How can I get strong neutral editors to review?172.192.82.139 15:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)