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TenPoundHammer

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TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) - Self-nomination, inspired by this comment left by User:Edison on my talk page. I was previously nominated in May by User:Whstchy, but my previous nomination was pretty much split between opposition and support, in part due to some comments towards a user who had attacked me. I feel that since then I have improved on my reaction to attack by other users, and I also think that I have improved overall in my editing skills (for instance, I now use the {{cite web}} tag when making references). Overall, I feel that I have sufficient experience as an editor to handle adminship.Ten Pound Hammer • 00:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Misplaced Pages as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: Primarily, I intend to work on fighting vandalism on Misplaced Pages pages. I recently installed WP:TW which makes my job much easier as a vandal-fighter. Sometimes, however, people keep on vandalising pages, which means that said vandalism has to be repeatedly reverted. Currently, I'm only able to put user-warning templates on user talk pages, or report that a certain user is being malicious, but as an admin, I would have the ability to block said malicious users -- but only if it's necessary. I would never use a block simply to gain control.

I often tag articles for speedy deletion if they meet any criteria for speedy deletion. (Just to be safe, I make sure to research an article's content first.) As an admin, I could actually delete said pages. I would also be able to more easily determine if a page has been deleted before; in addition, I could salt or undelete a page if either action is called for.

2. What are your best contributions to Misplaced Pages, and why?

A: Some of my most major edits have been to the pages of country music artists. I took the time to completely overhaul the pages of Trace Adkins, Bellamy Brothers, Confederate Railroad, Diamond Rio, Joe Diffie, Clinton Gregory, Pirates of the Mississippi, Kevin Sharp (country music), and Sixwire. I rewrote each of those pages from scratch, adding as many references as I could. Sixwire had been tagged with {{notability}} for a long time before I rewrote it; also, Confederate Railroad, Bellamy Brothers, Kevin Sharp, and Pirates of the Mississippi were all copyvios before I rewrote them.

My other major contributions have been to several mall pages, including Ashtabula Mall, Dutchess Mall, Great Lakes Crossing, Indian Mall, Laurel Park Place, and Universal Mall. For each of those pages, I added substantial information and references to establish the notability of each mall. Prior to my edits, Ashtabula Mall looked like a six-year-old typed it, while the other mall pages (save for Universal) were all stub-class before my expansions of them.

User:TenPoundHammer/Pages_I_created contains a complete list of all the pages that I have created or made significant improvements to on Misplaced Pages. As the list indicates, I have been very busy creating new articles on notable country music artists, notable shopping centers, and whatever else. I emphasize the word notable here, as I am quite familiar with notability criteria and what Misplaced Pages is not -- I don't create articles just to create articles.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Yes. Recently, User:Nathaniel B. Heraniaos gave me some flak over this deletion discussion, which other users agreed was a disruption of Misplaced Pages to make a point, although he insisted otherwise. Said user also made several attacks in the discussion of the deletion, in addition to undoing my non-admin closure of the discussion (it was an obvious snowball keep). I rationally discussed the matter on his talk page, and he seems to have calmed down now.

Also, User:Jfol2258 was repeatedly making malicious, possibly defamatory edits to Billy Ray Cyrus and Roberto Baggio. I reverted said edits, only for him to undo them all -- several times, in fact. (Note: I didn't do all the vandalism reverting myself; other users reverted too.) This particular user also left nasty comments in his edit summaries (see this edit and this edit). I reported this user, and he has been blocked for his constant disruption of Misplaced Pages.

Optional question from Wikihermit

4. Could you explain why you didn't include an edit summary or mark it as minor on this recent edit?

A: My mistake. I should have marked that as minor too. Sometimes, if I'm just correcting a typo, I leave the edit summary blank and mark the edit as minor. I was doing a lot of heavy editing on that page, and I guess I just forgot that one.

General comments

• See TenPoundHammer's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

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Please keep criticism constructive and polite. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer before commenting.

Discussion

Support

1. I think you've improved enough since last time. Go for it! Giggy _UP 01:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
   • Comment. That was fast. Ten Pound Hammer • 01:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
2. support Already thought you were! this will just correct my oversight. I run into you a lot on AfD's and you are always rational and well spoken. Your edits appear to be well rounded, I can't see any issues myself. Trusilver 01:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Support Does great work with retail and country music related pages, would make a great admin --Caldorwards4 02:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Support. When I first started commenting on AfDs, I saw TenPoundHammer there so many times I thought he already was an admin until I checked List of Admininstrators. I have since seen him on AfD many, many times and his comments usually show that he has an excellent handle on policy. His edit summary usage is concerning, especially for an editor with that much experience. According to his first RfA he said he had set his preferences to warn him if he left the edit summary blank, and that was on May 21st. Still, 3000+ edits in one month shows a considerable amount of dedication. Only 8 reports to AIV isn't great for someone whose primary goal is fighting vandalism, but I only have 5 and I'm requesting adminship now also. Overall, I see a trustworthy editor who would make great use of the tools. Useight 02:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Weak Support Good editor, but needs to use edit summaries more! Otherwise, I have no problems. ~ Wikihermit 02:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
6. Support Would make a very solid admin. CIreland 03:41, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
7. Support No problems here. Would be a great admin. --Siva1979 04:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
8. Support His answers to the questions might not have the best in Rfa history, but his work is really impressive. --Hirohisat 04:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
9. Jaranda 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
   • Comment. I assume that means you're supporting me? Ten Pound Hammer • 12:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

   There's no obligation to leave a rationale behind an RfA decision. Actually, if you look back at RfAs from a few years ago (2004-2005) it looks like this format (just a number and a sig) was the most common way of leaving a comment. Walton 15:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

10. Support looks good to me, congrats on getting my first support vote :P Dureo 10:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
11. Support, like before. This user combines workhorse qualities with a thoughtful general approach. His edit summary usage is still beyond the pale, so let me add once more that anyone who opposes based on something as stupid as that (removed personal attacks, possible OR). Good luck. —AldeBaer (c) 10:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
12. Support I have reviewed many of his recent edits with particular attention to talk pages. In my judgment, he has improved since his first RfA and should now be entrusted with the tools. JodyB 12:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
13. Support I thought he was an admin already! Blueboy96 13:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
14. Support 'bout time he has the godly buttons. —Anas 14:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
15. Support. No problems. Walton 15:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
16. Weak support diffs in the past AFD just don't convince me the candidate is someone terribly likely to abuse admin tools. He may not be the most civil editor in the world, I'm not either, but he seems to comment on the content not the contributer... which is a good sign. --W.marsh 17:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
17. Support. I nominated him last time, feel he should still get it. Kwsn 19:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
18. Support, effective editor who isn't likely to abuse the tools. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 19:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
19. Support Per AFD interactions Corpx 22:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
20. Support as I did last time. I'm pleased with the improvements. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 23:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose. Your last AfD failed only two months ago. Alot of concerns were raised by JayHenry and Husond about your poor and even hostile comments and edit summaries in AfD. Your low edit summary usage is still a concern as well. While I'm not one to lecture anyone about biting others I don't feel that you've matured enough in your decision making over the two month period to be granted the admin tools yet. From what I've seen of your interaction with difficult editors (a key admin skill) I don't yet trust you to be a source of resolution. NeoFreak 16:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
2. The fact that you !voted on several AfD's within minutes of each shows you are too "jump into the deep end" and act first think second, see , . Here are two other examples: , . This comment left me a little worried as you suggested it be salted, it had only been re-created once and WP:SALT is reserved for repeatedly re-created articles, not just to help prevent it. Sorry if this is totally negative. Rlest 18:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

   Isn't it possible he just reads the AFD page and loads a few he's interested in after reading the articles and thinking about it, then is able to write comments kind of quickly because he's already read the discussion/article? Or any number of possible explanations. It seems like an assumption of faith to say he must be acting impulsively just based on timestamps. --W.marsh 20:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

   W. Marsh is right. If I hit a bunch of AfD's real fast, chances are I've already read the articles over a period of time, and then went back to add my votes on them. Ten Pound Hammer • 20:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

3. Oppose, sorry, per the exact concerns for which I opposed you on your first RfA: edit summaries, levity on WP:AFD and virtually no vandalfight. I see no improvements. Again, sorry. :-/ Húsönd 21:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Oppose, because of concerns raised about articles nominated for deletion on user's talk page. I am afraid that you may be too inclined to delete rather than improve articles, although I of course hope I am wrong. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 23:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Oppose — I view self-noms as prima facie evidence of power-hunger. Kurt Weber 01:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Need an explanation for this edit before I can support... I just don't see how calling another user's edits atrocious will help. If anything, it'll just escalate the issue. --Dark Falls 12:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
   • Perhaps that was a bit over the top, calling his edits "atrocious". However, the articles that user wrote were very poorly written -- almost every word was lowercase, and spelling errors abounded. They were just in really horrid shape. I tried to clean up Turtle Creek Mall, but the mall in question ended up just being non-notable after my cleanup, so I prodded it. Ten Pound Hammer • 12:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

   TPH called 414ronald's grammar and spelling atrocious, not the edits themselves and it was absolutely not "over the top" (it could have been put more politely, but it was not even uncivil). TPH, you don't need to be too apologetic with people who hesitate to support because they are incapable or unwilling to understand what precisely is being said in a post. DarkFalls, how could giving another user feedback with regard to his/her writing "escalate" the issue? Do you mean 414ronald will now make more language errors than he did before? TPH's note was not related to vandalism or lack of civility or any misconduct, only to 414ronald's grammar and spelling. And before anyone tells me to stay calm: I am. —AldeBaer (c) 15:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

   Thank you for defending me -- I guess maybe it's better to be overly apologetic than unapologetic... Ten Pound Hammer • 16:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)