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Battle of Washita River

Hey, hate to keep buggin' while you're busy, but we're trying really hard (on the talk page) to get this article back to a good NPOV state, but could really use some help, from folks to consense with, and an admin (none have answered our calls) to finalize it all. Anything you could do would be greatly appreciated. Hope things are well! Murderbike 17:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer for informal mediation. I embrace it wholeheartedly. Probably the main other people we need some agreement from are Custerwest (talk · contribs) & HanzoHattori (talk · contribs). Biophys (talk · contribs) and MichaelLinnear (talk · contribs) have also had some interest in this article, though not as vocal lately. (A quarter-Finnish, eh? I'm half, myself.) --Yksin 18:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Might a request for comments on the article also be helpful at this point? Can such an RfC be run at the same time as an informal mediation? Or would it be best to wait until after inf. mediation happens (assuming it does)? Also concerned about how best to address the plagiarism/copyvio I discovered last night. --Yksin 18:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

As well User:Akradecki has piped in a bit, though hasn't answered my most recent call for help, User:Evilclown93 was the initial blocker. Murderbike 18:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, these were the two admins who put a stop to the edit warring. Akradecki put a 24-hour block on Custerwest at one point for violating 3RR, I believe HanzoHattori got blocked briefly too. Evilclown93 is the admin who fully protected the article, originally a one-week protection that expired on its own, then an open-ended one after I noticed someone had been making edits again. (not that an open-ended full protection was necessarily what I was seeking, exactly...) I've got a section on my quick & dirty links page that have links to a couple of ANI reports done early on, as well as other quick refs to things about this article. --Yksin 19:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply from my talk page. First Finnish word: Kiitos, i.e., thank you! Yes, what you said helps. I'll hold off on an article RfC & wait for the results of this information mediation proposal -- & hopefully an actual process.

Here's the diff for the copyvio (made by Custerwest). It's located in the article at Battle of Washita River#October to November, 1868, the entirety of the third paragraph down (after the block quote), that begins "The Indians believed they had good bargaining chips" and ends "deal directly with General Sheridan." This is a word-for-word quote from Gregory F. Michno's article "Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle" online at Historynet.com, on its second page, about halfway down in the fourth paragraph ("In October 1868...") starting with the third sentence. Custerwest actually sourced the article, but he made no indication it was a direct quote, so it amounts to plagiarism at the very least.

As I stated when I discussed this last night on article talk page, the information contained in this plagiarized paragraph represents a significant (though very disputed) view of what happened, & so needs to be represented in the article to meet WP:NPOV -- but plagiarizing is hardly the best way to do it. Kiitos again. --Yksin 19:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Another P.S. I agree with what you said about the plagiarized text that "those parts to be rewritten to eliminate all possible concerns." I quite frankly don't know how to do it at this point though, because there are numerous statements contained within that passage that are very much at issue in the content disputes -- most especially statements made by Michno in the original article (& agreed with by Custerwest) regarding white captives in Black Kettle's camp. So to rewrite this gets into a whole lotta POV issues that are at the very source of the disputes about this article. The only parts of that passage that isn't disputed, to my knowledge, is that Black Kettle & associated chiefs went to see Gen. Hazen at Ft. Cobb seeking peace, that Hazen knew he couldn't make a separate peace with Black Kettle & co., & that he told them to go back to their camp & to deal directly with Gen. Sheridan. --Yksin 19:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism/copyvio still there. Is there further info needed before this can be taken care of? Kiitos. --Yksin 19:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I did notice that your talk page is extremely busy with all kinds of issues. (As seems to be the case with the best admins). --Yksin 19:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

& yet again, thanks. I somehow hadn't noticed that Custerwest's intro of the Clara Blinn stuff was part of the copyvio from the Michno article. This removal also resolved the issue of the (former) footnote 17, in which Custerwest had modified a quote from another source.

Murderbike has identified two further instances of plagiarism. --Yksin 21:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Another tickler. Two days now, & no response on the article talk page from either User:HanzoHattori or User:Custerwest to the proposed mediation, though HanzoHattori has been on the talk page & has probably read the offer. Nor other slightly lesser involved editors User:Biophys & User:MichaelLinnear, who aren't probably as crucial as the first two. I wouldn't say that User:Akradecki or User:Evilclown93 (who has undergone a name change to User:Maxim) should be parties to a mediation: they were admins concerned primarily with user conduct (mainly edit warring & personal attacks), not with the content dispute. -- In any case, you said on my talk page that you'd give it a couple days for them to respond on the article talk page before contacting them on their own talk pages. So....

I'm not currently very confident they'll agree to mediation, esp. given their silence on it thus far. HH esp. has had ample time to see the offer, but has made no response. CW may be busy & hasn't been online; on the other hand, he might simply be stonewalling. I guess what I'm wondering (& I know Murderbike is wondering too): where do we go from here, if they don't agree to mediation? How can we create enough consensus to unprotect this article so that we can start improving it? Or is it to languish in its protected status forever, so long as CW refuses to cooperate with us towards achieving some kind of consensus that everyone could live with? That seems to be the way things are going so far... but CW successfully stonewalling everyone doesn't seem to fit what Wikipedians mean when referring to consensus. I don't want a return to the edit warring that was happening around July 1 (I was lucky to miss getting involved in it, because I was traveling at the time), but the present situation is unsatisfactory too.

So if they don't agree to mediation within the next couple of days, what might be the best possible next steps for us to get some movement out of this deadlock? Another report to WP:ANI to get more input from the wider community? An article RfC? Both? Also considering an RfC on Custerwest himself. I'd be glad for any advice you can offer. I've been around Misplaced Pages since about January, but this is the first time I've been involved in a dispute like this, in which a minority view of "what happened" has been locked into an article for so long, without NPOV balance, with the existing Misplaced Pages processes currently working to keep it that way.

Kiitoksia paljon. (thank you very much) --Yksin 18:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Have talked w/ Murderbike & we can wait a couple days before doing anything more process-wise about this article, assuming mediation doesn't happen. Meanwhile, we've decided to do our best to draft an NPOV version of the article, for consideration of other editors later down the line. --Yksin 00:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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No problem, delete it at will - geez, I uploaded that over a year ago, I didn't even remember it existed at all! :) Good luck finding a free one to replace it tho... Phaedriel - 22:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for my userpage. It's awesome! -Flubeca 14:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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Boink!

You've got mail! Cheers, umdrums (formerly LewPot) 14:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

What a nice surprise...

Obrigado, minha amiga... Estou sem palavras :) Thank you so much, and that reminds me to get back to that translation ;) I hope you're doing well! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. check this out. My brain is still on Park today. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

When you get a chance, could you look at my userpage? I seem to have messed it up. (It was fine a few days ago, I don't know what happened!) Awadewit | talk 17:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

....For your email, I've replied back. Rlest 20:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Awesome Wikipedian

Hello there Phaedriel. Just thought that I would like to suggest someone to be awarded your Awesome Wikipedian award. <removed for surprise>. Just a suggestion. By the way, I'm feeling much better today. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 21:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, The Random Editor. I think your suggestion would be best via e-mail, as to not spoil the surprise. Anyway, the award is to Phaedriel's discretion. This is for future reference, though. Miranda 21:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both, friends, for your thoughtful suggestion and your sounded advice :) Indeed, <removed for surprise> is on my list - but that's why I linked the "suggestions" button to my email at my userpage! ;) Again, thanks, and I'm so happy to see you're feeling better now, dear Random! Love, Phaedriel - 21:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Back again!

Hiyya! Thanks for the welcome back message. Will write soon as I just got your email from last week. Relieved to hear that things are better than they were. Talk later! Love, Allie - Alison ☺ 22:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Awesome Wikipedian

Awwwwwwww, Phaedriel I am touched and ever so thankful!!! You are just one of the kindest Wikimedians currently here. I am speachless. You really have made my day, I'll have an extra spring in my step because of you! :) :) :) :) :) :) Cbrown1023 talk 02:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

I got your email and I greatly appericate what ya said. I will send out a reply right quick. Take Care...NeutralHomer 04:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Randomly popping in

• Although I'm on an extended Wikibreak (til my birthday next year), I just thought I'd pop in and say hello. :) JuJube 07:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Phaedriel

Hi Phaedriel. I got your E-mail my dear. I replied to it with an important message. I hope you got it sweetie. Take care:) King Lopez 09:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

umdrums

Hi Sharon, got your email, thanks! I'll try to reply today if I can. The nickname umdrums dates from around the year 2000, when I fell asleep in a chair at work and allegedly said the word in my sleep! Nothing to do with Miami-based umdrums or others found by Google. Cheers, umdrums (formerly LewPot) 11:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I shouldn't make promises and not keep them (saying I'd reply that day). I'll reply to your email a.s.a.p., nothing much to write at present! I've started collecting some userboxes together at User:umdrums/PM boxes and they're in a table (copied from UBX) but I was wondering, if you have a spare moment, if you have any ideas how I might make the table look a bit better with my three columns that I'm using? Cheers, love umdrums 23:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ping!

<robotic voice>You've got mail.</robotic voice> Please ignore it if you're too busy! --Boricuaeddie 15:59, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Surprise!

I'm on here, too (I found my password)! Though I edit here often, just thought I'd tell you I sent you a reply to your e-mail and smooched of your userpage on simple wiki :) Hope that's okay :)

Sincerely, --Zoey ~Kersey 23:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

Well, I went on vacation, come back and my userpage is all nicely taken are of now, yay. I was gonna expand it some more first just in case it was a problem, but it does look really good. :) Wizardman 02:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Glad to see you back! Hope you're doing well! I see you're busy, but I just wanted to let you know I was thinking about you. Dreadstar † 08:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for fixing the userboxes on my user page! I'm really quite a know-nothing on such things! I'm still going through and doing my thank you notes from the RfA, but I hope you'll accept this little note thanking you for your support, which meant the world to me. It certainly helped my case when your name was affixed! I see to keep finding myself in a position of saying "thank you" to you. - Philippe | Talk 15:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

FloNight's Day -- Cute Artwork!

Hi, Phaedriel, I love the artwork on FloNight's day (as well as mine). Just seeing how you were doing. Miranda 00:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Lovely, but the link you gave on FloNight's talk page to the record of her day doesn't work. ElinorD (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC) (P.S. Sorry to be so abrupt, but I'm just about to go to bed!)

Your Userpage

I just thought i'd say how much i love your userpage. I'd love a userpage like that, but it's all so complicated to me atm. I'm hoping to look into how to make them so good, but i haven't got round to it. I noticed how it says on your userpage how you love to make wikipages. Well, i'd love a page like that. If you ever have any time to design my page, i'd be very very grateful.
Oh yes, your userpage is deserving of a Barnstar, so here you go!

		The Special Barnstar
		For a very good userpage, and for the ammount of kindness which comes across in your page! Jackrm 01:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for replying! It made me happy that you said you'll "spray some wikifairy dust" on my page! I like most colours really, hmm. I like the blue feel wikipedia has to it, i like the blue which you see across many userpages. Do you know what i mean? It's like a light blue ;) I love the navigation some people have on their pages too, with one button leading to barnstars etc. :) Thanks alot, Jackrm 23:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello Phaedriel :-) Thank you for your kind words. The artwork is beautiful and the poem is thought provoking and inspiring. Have a Great Day!! Take care, FloNight 12:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

A humble gift

Some flowers for you! :-) --Boricuaeddie 21:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Take your time with the e-mail. Happy Day of the Lord! --Boricuaeddie 21:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Very pretty! I like the ] best. - NeutralHomer 15:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Of course, it had to be on the 23rd :) --Isotope23 13:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd believe you... it's the sort of thing that happens when you start messing with 23. Thanks again!--Isotope23 18:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Help!

Being a soldier and engineer I have a lousy sense of art and naturally it shows on my webpage. Could I PLEASE request that I may be added to your list so that sometime in the future I may have a decent looking page! Thanks in advance and may the God who looks after wikipedians shower his blessings on one who contributes her gifts so openheartedly to the community at large!AshLin 20:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

Phaedriel, I haven't received your e-mail yet. However, have you looked at Trading Spaces in order for users to create requests for page revamping? Thanks. Miranda 22:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

supercalafragalisticexpealadocious!

I absolutely love the work you've done on my userpage Phaedriel, thank you so much! No worries about the wait, I know that amount of code monkeying (did I just make up a new verb?) can take a long time, and that you have alot of other user pages to beautify. I made any alterations I wanted, but what about a "quote of the day" box? If you know of one that looks decent that I can steal and alter from another user, rather than making one yourself from scratch, then direct me to the appropriate place. Other than that, No need to do the quote box, I found the quotation templates page. I love it. Anytime you need a favor, I'm your man. VanTucky 23:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to be demanding, so if you're busying let me know, but what about possibly putting the barnstars into a format like the main text boxes at the bottom so the Paranormal star isn't squished? Again, my eternal gratitude... VanTucky 23:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ping

Hi, hope everything's well with you - I was wondering if you had a second for a quick chat on IRC? WjBscribe 23:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: userpage

I think I'm starting to get a hang of fixing it up and the like now, but of course if I need any help on tweaking something (I'll probably mess something up down the line), then I'll let you know. Thanks again, it just has a great feel to it. Wizardman 23:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Lights has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Cheers, Lights 00:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, but...

I'm of the opinion that everyday on Misplaced Pages should be Phaedriel Day, so please give my day to a celebration of yourself! :) Wiki-hugs, Xoloz 13:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

RE:Querido Eddie!

You are to me a very special sun That shines upon a world few ever see, A world I'm shy to show to everyone, That hides its urgent truth from even me. Without your light it is a world of darkness; Its heaven and its hell lie fast asleep. With you as sole and sympathetic witness, The words come forth from out my vasty deep. And so I cannot be myself without you; No one is whole without some loving friend. There is a quiet joy in me about you That lets me say what I need not defend. Long may we serve each other to give light To all the loveliness that haunts the night. - Ludwig Senfl - Boricuaeddie 15:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the beautiful poem by one of my country's most celebrated poets. Have a great day! --Boricuaeddie 15:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You've Got Mail

I know, cause I just sent it out. Take Care...NeutralHomer 15:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Waves

Hi Phaedriel, hope all is well with you? Hadn't heard back on email, so just wanted to doublecheck. If you're busy, I do understand! Just wanted you to know that you were in my thoughts.  :) Best, Elonka 20:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)