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| I didn't know that he was Junior until yesterday even though I knew his father had the same first name. The assertion by someone that it's not notable that some Jr's drop it after the father dies is not right. Where does it say that this is conventional? Therefore, I am inserting language along with a reference that says he is a junior. ] 15:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | I didn't know that he was Junior until yesterday even though I knew his father had the same first name. The assertion by someone that it's not notable that some Jr's drop it after the father dies is not right. Where does it say that this is conventional? Therefore, I am inserting language along with a reference that says he is a junior. ] 15:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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| In his book, he says he used drugs. Hiding this is not neutral. But just putting that isn't neutral either. So I put a part from his book that where he said he grandparents were very proud of his school and always told people about it. I think this is fair balance. ] 15:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Questions? Ask them through Wikinews
Hello,
I'm Nick Moreau, an accredited reporter for Wikinews. I'm co-ordinating our 2008 US Presidential election interviews. We will be interviewing as many candidates as possible, from the Democrats, Republicans, and other parties/independents.
I'll be sending out requests for interviews to the major candidates very soon, but I want your input, as people interested in American politics: what should I ask them?
Please go to any of these three pages, and add a question.
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Questions? Don't ask them here, I'll never see them. Either ask them on the talk page of any of these three pages, or e-mail me.
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Background and race
Isn't Senator Obama mixed race? If his mother was a white American and his father a native of Kenya, isn't he as "white" as he is "black"? Since the intro goes on about his being African-American, perhaps someone can clarify this...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.72.215.225 (talk • contribs)
- One of the vagaries of how race is determined in the US is that it is self-identified, so even though his mother was Caucasian, he identifies himself as African-American, therefore he is African-American. There is also a propensity to consider Caucasian as a recessive race for identification purposes, meaning that if one parent is Caucasian and the other is a minority, then the child is considered to be of the minority group.--Bobblehead 21:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know exactly how Obama "self-identifies", but for 400 years of American history a person was either 100% white or she/he was Black (See One-drop rule). The self-identification of Americans as biracial or multiracial is a very recent development* (only picking up steam during the past 10 or so years), and it is still met with many obstacles (e.g., forms that ask the applicant to check a box for only one race). (* excluding slave-era Louisiana, where people of mixed ancestry were differentiated by the number of Black grandparents or great-grandparents they had) — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 21:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
"The U.S. Senate Historical Office lists him as the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history and the only African American currently serving in the U.S. Senate, although many Black commentators consider him a Kenyan-American at best, and not truly African-American, as his heritage,does not have any personal history in the American Black experience." -- besides being a terribly written sentence, I can't understand what it means at all. 161.184.66.13 06:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess that they mean to point out that he is not a "black American" in the historical context of descending from American slaves, rather the son of a Kenyan.
- That sentence has been removed. Tvoz |talk 00:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
ABC
I saw on ABC a story about campaign supporters helping out their candidate on the internet, specifically wikipedia. I think they mentioned about Obama's travel section as an example of positive spin but the story wasn't anti any one candidate. Fineday 04:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- User:Fineday registered June 5th, was an inactive latent account for a month, and now has about 40 edits . WP:AGF be damned but it's highly unusual for someone to register, not do anything for a month, then dive straight into AfDs, RfAs, and FARs if they're a genuine newcomer. "Fishy" is all I will say about "Fineday" here. He is obviously familiar with how Misplaced Pages works and is dropping more innuendo that those editing here are Obama shills. Italiavivi 06:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, the FAR comment is reminiscent of "Federal law says we treat candidates equally and give equal time", and we know where that led. Tvoz |talk 06:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- What happened to assuming good faith and all that? :) When I first began, it was to save a particular article from deletion, so I involved myself in some AfDs right off the bat, if I recall correctly.--Gloriamarie 18:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
middle name is NOT "Hussein"?
From edit summary re removal of middle name from article: "Recent media reports have proven that his middle name is NOT "Hussein."" I've not heard him dispute that Hussein is his middle name, and I have not seen, or found, any of the media reports to which you refer. Please provide those sources per WP:RS. --Evb-wiki 15:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Newsweek cover
If the TIME cover that said "Why Barack Obama Could be the Next President" wasn't fair use, I doubt this Newsweek cover is. Italiavivi 21:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. I've requested this WP:FUR. --HailFire 08:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Image for Barack Obama#Political advocacy section
Image:Obama at Darful Rally 3.JPG image was removed by User:Bbsrock. I've put it back and ask that it remain in the article until a rationale is provided for its removal or replacement. My own reasons for including this image are that it (1) depicts Obama at a rally performing political advocacy, the subject of the section; (2) adds to the adjacent text that describes his participation at that specific event; (3) is an image uploaded to the Misplaced Pages Commons by the photographer and released to the public domain. --HailFire 09:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- This image is of poor quality and Obama is not even visible. I do not understand why the image that I added Image:Obamatalk.JPG is being repeatedly removed, since it depicts him "advocating" at a campaign event in Iowa and is of much better quality. It has also been released into the GDFL. Bbsrock 01:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- Obama does not need to be visible in all pictures in his articles. Political advocacy is not about a single person talking to themselves, but rather a person trying to convince a crowd and the image Hailfire prefers does a better job of depicting that than your closeup. --Bobblehead 01:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
NEITHER Photo is good for this section. The close-up one is too close-up, but the far-away one is so far away it could be Clinton speaking for all we know just looking at it! What is needed is a middle-ground photo. Something that shows Oboma close but has the crowd in the picture as well. This article is about Obama, so he should be plainly visible in the photos. VigilancePrime 02:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- A middle-ground photo is needed, but I think for now my photo is far better, simply due to the fact that Obama can actually be seen in the photo. For such a high-profile article there is no need to have a grainy, amateur looking photo without Obama even visible. I have been looking around Flickr for a better photo, but haven't been able to find one yet. Bbsrock 03:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree, and it is not correct that Obama is not visible. Take another look at the photo HailFire provided and click on it - there is a large screen on the right which clearly shows Obama speaking. This picture illustrates the section specifically, and is in Commons, and is a better image of this advocacy than bbsrock's. Doesn't hurt to keep looking for better images, but this one is preferred because of its specificity, etc. Tvoz |talk 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Trying this. --HailFire 20:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
added "black" and "white"
I just added the words "black" and "white" to this sentence which starts the second paragraph: "Born to a black Kenyan father and a white American mother..." I think it makes the information more clear and easy to follow and I don't see how it could be offensive to anyone. Does anyone have a problem with this? Thanks. Steve Dufour 05:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Junior
I didn't know that he was Junior until yesterday even though I knew his father had the same first name. The assertion by someone that it's not notable that some Jr's drop it after the father dies is not right. Where does it say that this is conventional? Therefore, I am inserting language along with a reference that says he is a junior. Local667forOb 15:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
added information in his book for balance
In his book, he says he used drugs. Hiding this is not neutral. But just putting that isn't neutral either. So I put a part from his book that where he said he grandparents were very proud of his school and always told people about it. I think this is fair balance. Local667forOb 15:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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