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Tajchy

So I took the freedom to edit the article and I've done mostly various formatting, such as for references with "cite web" template and breaking the list. Anyway, very good candidate for DYK, in my opinion, as it's fairly broad and referenced (though many are Slovak), well, I couldn't write it better. Oh, and what do you think about linking years, dates and centuries in articles (see Bratislava for History revisions)? To the message above my thread, sorry, that was really bad luck for getting blocked for 3RR, even though it was clear exception (reverting a banned user). MarkBA 12:45, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

And just a minor point, your talk page is getting fairly long (116kb). Have you considered archiving? MarkBA 12:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for changing the format of references. It looks much better now. As to links to years and centuries, I prefer not to put too many links into an article. My personal rule of thumb is to link only years of significant events (and then to put such an event into the article about that year). See Battle of Wogastisburg and 631. This applies to most articles. However, I generally do not link years in articles flooded by links and I do link years in articles with too few links.Of course, other editors have different preferences. Tankred 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

And here's a little bonus:

		The Original Barnstar
		I, MarkBA, award you this Original Barnstar for some of your fine contributions, especially to Slovakia-related articles and surviving here, on Misplaced Pages despite all the wars. MarkBA 12:45, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which,

On May 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tajchy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done. Blnguyen (cranky admin anniversary) 06:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

On June 7, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gerlachovský štít, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the great work.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Slovakia

Hi, I am from Australia and I am collecting some information about Slovakia for a debate I'm going to next week. What is its largest power source, coal powered or nuclear? How dependant on those powersources is slovakia? Would it be able to meet the Kyoto agreement regarding carbon emissions if it was forced to? What is the governments foriegn policy regarding a Palestinian free state, favorable or against? thanks, Benjamint444 08:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, can you please check this user (link is valid)? I dunno who is it, but the practices are somehow suspicious, e.g. removing Romanian name in Transylvania article or doing sneaky vandalism in Slovakia article. MarkBA 21:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

you hate magyars?--Székhu 15:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

ok, ok ok I'm sorry--Székhu 15:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Slovak regions, counties and their names and articles

Hi, see my proposal at User:Svetovid/Sandbox#Slovak_regions.2C_counties... and leave some feedback.--Svetovid 11:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you will read my comment, but I'm too unhappy with move and edit-warring with the counties and regions. I think the best solution is to have counties for historical context and identifying them in the Kingdom of Hungary and such, and regions, if applicable, should be for their position in Slovakia, their economy and tourism, with brief summaries of the history in the county articles, like is done with Spiš and Szepes county. MarkBA 20:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. I left a message at Talk:Kingdom of Hungary, but I have no intention to intervene in that dirty edit war. I was offline (going for my vacation, guess where, to Slovakia:-), but I will check my talk page more often. By the way, congratulations to the GA status of Bratislava. I can't wait for the peer review. Tankred 21:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

So I'm posting here again and this time I'm going to ask you if you can help me with this one: one to-do task on the Talk:Bratislava says "Add information to the "Economy" section about boom in the construction industry and significant projects currently under construction". And so I started doing some preparations in my sandbox to prepare this one before I'll add it to the article and some help would be appreciated. Do you think you could help? MarkBA 20:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

So I'm posting here again, well, guess, again something with Bratislava. I'm not going to say anything relating names, but something to prepare this article for possible FA candidature. What I think needs work is possibly prose, though it is reasonably well written, I'm afraid it isn't professionally, references too, in particular, I'm having trouble finding some good ref for this "The building of the University Library (erected in 1756) was used by the Diet (parliament) of the Kingdom of Hungary from 1802 to 1848. Much of the significant legislation of the Hungarian Reform Era (such as the abolition of serfdom and the foundation of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences) were enacted there." And someone from WP:CITIES said that History should be shortened. Sorry if I'm bothering you with this, if you wish, you may reply here. (And by the way, if you are off for longer time, you may consider putting up one of those wikibreak banners on your talk/user page, so I know that I shouldn't expect something from you) MarkBA 09:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Cracow

When you have time I would appreciate a reply to my question at WP:NCGN (talk). Thanks. Dr. Dan 14:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Without Croatia

In the History of Hungary article, we have the line, According to the census in 1910, 54% of the population of the Kingdom (without Croatia)...

What does that mean, "without Croatia?" I think that's unclear. You put in the statistic, so I was hoping you could explain it. Thanks, TheMightyQuill 17:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, sorry, I misread the history - I'll ask Hobartimus about the stats. But how did you know the statistics were referring to language, rather than ethnicity? - TheMightyQuill 21:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Zdar. Thank you for kind words. I think that format village, XY District is better than just village, XY and is also compatible with Slovak usual format village, okres XY. I am trying to keep this consistent. - Darwinek 19:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

MAP

• I've used a common HSA map as a crib note.
• according to them the south-eastern frontier of the Principality of Nitra was at the river Grana/Garam.
• And yes, you're right. The legend's title is more appropiate. We can stop using this file and a new version with better nameing should be uploaded. (i've done it in the meantime :)
• Not a big deal. i've used Paint.NET (unfortunately supports only horizontal/vertical text representation - however there is a rotate effect but only for layers :( ) ... --fz22 20:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Tankred. I think this is where our role ends. Being outsiders (least I'm not a reputed historian :) so I can only digitalize maps from my sources/books/atlas/etc. The Hungarian historiography denies even the existence of the so called "Great" Moravia. It wasn't so Great, it wasn't an Empire, and the archeological findings are too ambiguous. (this is a long debated issue, just think on the Hungarian-Slavic Congress's results and speeches - around 1960).

IMO even the wikipedia logic is defective in this case. We are not in charge here to decide which theory strive for perfection. We can only add branching logic to the articles.

However I will add a new layer to the map representing the extent of the Great Moravian Empire, accoring to the Slovakian historiography. Is this OK? Regards --fz22 10:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Bratislava

I've just added a lot of book references into History section. What do you think, are there enough of them? Also, what do you think needs to be done, minding name issue of course. MarkBA 18:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

So how should I close the poll? I am torn and cannot decide. And for external views I think we have exhausted possibilities and I think FA review is the last one remaining. But thank you for bringing that copyright issue to my attention, though license is bit vague, I don't think it's a good reason to delete so long as we stick to the Bratislava and possibly description page. MarkBA 19:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, so I'll close it as a simple majority for the Bratislava alternative, even with "weak" votes. Please correct me if I'll mess it up, because I'm not experienced at poll closing. MarkBA 20:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

So I'm posting here again, and I would like to hear your opinion if I would be a fool, moving this article to FA review. Although we don't have name issue (finally!), I fear that prose may be criticized and copyright issue with coat-of-arms may be brought up, too, though I don't see anything on that discussion moving. You see, peer review wasn't very productive and I see FA review as only avenue for improvement. (you may reply either here or on my page) MarkBA 15:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're reading this: As far as I can tell, non-free images are allowed under third criterion:

"It has images and other media where they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. Non-free images or media must meet the criteria for the inclusion of non-free content and be labeled accordingly."

However, I'm not experienced with fair use and as such I can't write rationale or something similar. I think best would be to ask someone who regularly reviews FAs or at the talk pages of those policies. And the trouble is, that for commercial use you need permission from the municipality under the Slovak law, however, the servers are located in the U.S., but I can't tell. MarkBA 16:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

(whistling) Well, it seems we have some work to do to get this article ed. Unfortunately, it seems that I can't handle all tasks (like copy-editing). Do you think you could help me with some of the tasks? MarkBA 09:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Good. Every little help comes handy, when I'll look at the list of tasks I've received. Some of them aren't very suitable to me, like text flowing or such. All I don't agree is the mention of foreign names in the lead - I think Names section can do this purpose, right? MarkBA 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

So few days have elapsed and although some issues are done, there are still some which should be solved in my opinion as priority and those are History, possibly Demographics and Economy. But I feel we are bit closer to promotion. MarkBA 12:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Bratislava Coat of Arms

Done, and thanks for the notice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MikeGogulski (talk • contribs) 23:07, 24 June 2007.

And you see, only this blocks us from submitting it into FA review - so much trouble caused already with this even in the past and the trouble continues, well, if it's going to be deleted, I think we'll upload it under fair use and forget permission. All others seem to be OK. And maybe the trouble lies in the prose - but getting responses there is a better option (peer review wasn't so good as expected...). MarkBA 16:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess so... but I think even permission itself may be criticized at the FA review , because although it allows language mutations, it restricts it into Bratislava article and only to Misplaced Pages, what fits more into fair use, even though I'd like to preserve that image on the Commons. And getting another permission - no thanks, not even responding sometimes, when you know our bureaucracy... MarkBA 17:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

L.O.S.

Ok. But the problem is, that I don't see why many non slovak people are listed as Slovakians. From the talkpage:

• If somebody lived/lives in the today's territory of Slovakia means that he/she was/is automatically a Slovak?
• Slovakia did not exist as a political or cultural entity until the beginning of the 20th century
• if you want to distinguish between ethnic Slovaks and "people of significance to Slovakia", at least stop Slovakizing their names
• Using this same standard for Hungarians and Czechs, Joseph Haydn could be called a famous Hungarian (he spent a significant amount of time in Hungary, Kismarton and Eszterháza), or Gustav Mahler could be called a famous Czech, or Pavel Országh a famous Hungarian (he wrote Hungarian poems, translated some works of Petőfi, Madách).

B.Móric

Hello.

1)Révay was a Hungarian noble family. 2)According to this page , or to this , he had slovak and hungarian ancestors too.

March laws

I'm afraid I don't have the necessary expertise and sources (nor sufficient time to gather these) to do that right now... Even the Hungarian-language Misplaced Pages lacks this article, which is a shame. I'll drop a note on our noticeboard. Thanks for the heads up. KissL 14:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

IP rv. on History of Hungary

Just curious, why did you revert those changes? They seemed to be in good faith. - TheMightyQuill 18:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Commas

Nonetheless, it does say that SI doesn't use commas, and I think a reader would need to be pretty thick to be confused by something like "1 000 km". Kelisi 19:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 16:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian names

I do not understand why you removed Hungarian names from articles of majority Hungarian cities in Slovakia. According to Hungarian language article, "Hungarian is officially recognized as a minority or regional language in Austria, Croatia, Romania, Bukovina, Zakarpattia in Ukraine, and Slovakia." Language is official and all these cities are majority Hungarian where most of citizens use those names. So, why you removed them?

I did not remove any names from the article. All the names in minority languages are listed in the first sentence of the lead in every article in question. I do not think there is any need to repeat them in infoboxes. As to their legal status in Slovakia, the names in a minority language have a lower (not equal) legal status (see the Constitution of the Slovak Republic and the legal act Zákon 191/1994 Z.z. o označovaní obcí v jazyku národnostných menšín). Moreover, inclusion of two and more names in a town infobox is controversial and there is no consensus among editors. Two languages are used in the case of Transylvania. But many other local infoboxes (e.g. Alsace-Lorraine, Belgium, Estonia, India, Latvia, Lithuania, Turkey) include only the name in the official language. I do not oppose a broader discussion about the Slovak towns infobox and I will be happy to implement any consensus arising from such a discussion. However, the change you have proposed should be discussed by all the relevant editors of the articles about Slovakia. Tankred 11:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I mean you removed names from infoboxes. Ok, you say Hungarian names have lower legal status then Slovak, so would you accept compromise that we write Hungarian names with smaller letters? I think we should have Hungarian names in infoboxes because Hungarians are majority in these cities and these names are used by majority of local citizens. Articles about majority Hungarian cities in Romania and Serbia have Hungarian names in infoboxes and Komárno article about city in Slovakia also have Hungarian name (but with smaler letters). Why articles about Dunajská Streda, Kolárovo, and other should not have Hungarian names with smaler letters? 81.18.56.228 17:22, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I would not mind having Hungarian names in the infoboxes of the Slovak towns with a Hungarian majority if they are written in a smaller font (reflecting their legal status). Tankred 13:23, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Magyarization

Please let Hungarian Jews be Hungarians if they want to be Hungarians. That's their decision, not yours, OK? Squash Racket 18:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You cannot use Misplaced Pages to rewrite history. You have deleted several paragraphs (including numerical data and a reference) from Magyarization and you keep reverting the article to your crippled version. I have asked you to stop vandalizing that article on your talk page, on the article's talk page and now I am doing it here. Tankred 19:04, 12 August 2007 (UTC)