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:I'm not seeing any major disruption to the article - it seems to be the only edits the ip has made to this one. This IRA/PIRA thing is an annoying distraction but, to be honest, I'm not really sure that I want to stir the waters up any further by blocking W. Frank for this. Sure its a pain but I think we would want a wider consensus that he is being sufficiently disruptive to warrant a block. I'll ask Alison for an opinion but this may now be better dealt with at AN/I. I certainly have very limited patience with this now but I'm horrendously busy at work (12 hours days at the moment) that I can't spare the time or emotional energy that this requires. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC) :I'm not seeing any major disruption to the article - it seems to be the only edits the ip has made to this one. This IRA/PIRA thing is an annoying distraction but, to be honest, I'm not really sure that I want to stir the waters up any further by blocking W. Frank for this. Sure its a pain but I think we would want a wider consensus that he is being sufficiently disruptive to warrant a block. I'll ask Alison for an opinion but this may now be better dealt with at AN/I. I certainly have very limited patience with this now but I'm horrendously busy at work (12 hours days at the moment) that I can't spare the time or emotional energy that this requires. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:: I've left a comment on W. Frank's IP page (at least, the IP he's currently using). Right now, he is being needlessly disruptive, IMO - ] ] 19:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC) :: I've left a comment on W. Frank's IP page (at least, the IP he's currently using). Right now, he is being needlessly disruptive, IMO - ] ] 19:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry folks I don't regard greater precision in abbreviations as "POV-pushing or disruption". Now I agree that this has gone on long enough. There are at least 7 separate guerilla movements that would like to be know as just the three letters i+r+a.

In an encyclopaedia precision is better.

Yes it's easy to slip up and use a natural turn of phrase such as calling a ballpoint pen a "biro", or a vacuum cleaner a "hoover". We must be ever vigilant and increase our precision and decrease ambiguity. In conversational speech, we naturally use the shortest, commonest forms - especially when meaning is clear from the context. However, official writing throughout Europe and including Ireland tends to be more precise in its use of abbreviations.

A few examples from Ireland:

* http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/PR070002
* http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=446&docID=2429
* http://www.socialistparty.net/pub/pages/viewspring2005/8.htm
* http://www.inc.ie/winter0304f.html
* http://homepages.iol.ie/~duacon/l960402.htm
* http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:j1RJyMW6B8wJ:www.newrepublicanforum.ie/forummagazine/forummagazine_pdf/magazines/october%25202005.pdf+pira&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=36&gl=ie
* http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2006/02/13/17-years-on-family-continues-its-search-for-truth/

Colloquial speech examples are rarer, but here's one interesting one (amongst a few thousand) I found from:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/72993

Now why don't we stop to-ing and fro-ing and wasting all our tempers and productive editing time and get an authoritative ruling on this (as in Derry City but County Londonderry)?

I hope it doesn't come as too much of a shock but my perspective is that the real POV-pushers here are those that seek to portray the terrorist acts of PIRA (or OIRA or RIRA or CIRA or any other 'RA) as having been perpetrated by "the true inheritors" of the ].

'''Frank''' ] 19:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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Passport & British monarch (again)

You might have noticed that this has re-errupted. Perhaps you were right to just nuke the section. What do you think, now? I really am sorry about this; I thought I had put back in a version that got rid of the bone of contention. -- Lonewolf BC 19:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
PS: Please answer here. I'm "watching." -- Lonewolf BC 19:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Until the All are equal VS UK, first among equals ends; all the 'Commonwealth realm' related articles will be 'edit war zones' (that's regrettable & lockable). GoodDay 21:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Concerning 'Passport', you should remove all countries. GoodDay 22:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Request to reconsider Unblocking Balu2000

  • I don't agree with what User:Balu2000 said, but User:EliasAlucard started provoking him with hateful comments and accusations. And I don't see the threat in what he said?
  • I am A a Christian Arab and a Congress of Truth Anti-Islamist activist, but I dont hate muslims and I dont want to be associated with the EXTREME hate speech that user: EliasAlucard promotes. I hope you reconsider unblocking User Balu2000 because he is a good contribuitor to Mizrahi and Arab articles, he simply was provoked by User: EliasAlucard hate speech

In this link you can see Elias persistent efforts to post hateful remarks, about a subject that doesn't relate to the article!. And he should not be punished just because he replied to a hateful insult with a default insult that doesn't carry any direct threat, If what Balu said was a threat then the same applies to Elias.

Please take this up with the actual blocking admin - I simply considered the unblock request. Spartaz 03:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Passport

That's the best idea, Spartaz (removing the British monarch & Canadian monarch sections). PS- It's frustrating, all the 'Commonwealth realm' related articles are poisened by the continous underlying dispute All are equal VS UK, first among equals. I wish we could have a forum (a peer review) to see if editors prefer one way or the other (covering all those articles). That way, it would be settled. GoodDay 22:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

PS- We need a 'Commonwealth WikiProject or Notice Board' to coordinate these articles. GoodDay 22:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Protocol Networks

You deleted the Protocol Networks page. I do not understand why. This was a good start to a review of the orginization. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.108.173.51 (talk) 04:15, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

When did I do this? I don't think it was recently. I'll need the original name of the article to track this down please. Thanks. Spartaz 06:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
The article was deleted because it did not assert notability and therefore qualified for speedy deletion. It was deleted on one previous occasion because it appeared to be an advertisement. Spartaz 17:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Can you look at this User:84.13.10.123 who is User:W. Frank is again inserting POV in articles changing IRA to PIRA, dispite being warned not to.--padraig 18:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any major disruption to the article - it seems to be the only edits the ip has made to this one. This IRA/PIRA thing is an annoying distraction but, to be honest, I'm not really sure that I want to stir the waters up any further by blocking W. Frank for this. Sure its a pain but I think we would want a wider consensus that he is being sufficiently disruptive to warrant a block. I'll ask Alison for an opinion but this may now be better dealt with at AN/I. I certainly have very limited patience with this now but I'm horrendously busy at work (12 hours days at the moment) that I can't spare the time or emotional energy that this requires. Spartaz 19:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've left a comment on W. Frank's IP page (at least, the IP he's currently using). Right now, he is being needlessly disruptive, IMO - Alison ☺ 19:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry folks I don't regard greater precision in abbreviations as "POV-pushing or disruption". Now I agree that this has gone on long enough. There are at least 7 separate guerilla movements that would like to be know as just the three letters i+r+a.

In an encyclopaedia precision is better.

Yes it's easy to slip up and use a natural turn of phrase such as calling a ballpoint pen a "biro", or a vacuum cleaner a "hoover". We must be ever vigilant and increase our precision and decrease ambiguity. In conversational speech, we naturally use the shortest, commonest forms - especially when meaning is clear from the context. However, official writing throughout Europe and including Ireland tends to be more precise in its use of abbreviations.

A few examples from Ireland:

Colloquial speech examples are rarer, but here's one interesting one (amongst a few thousand) I found from: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/72993

Now why don't we stop to-ing and fro-ing and wasting all our tempers and productive editing time and get an authoritative ruling on this (as in Derry City but County Londonderry)?

I hope it doesn't come as too much of a shock but my perspective is that the real POV-pushers here are those that seek to portray the terrorist acts of PIRA (or OIRA or RIRA or CIRA or any other 'RA) as having been perpetrated by "the true inheritors" of the socialist heroes that fought a valiant (and partially successful) liberation struggle.

Frank 84.13.10.123 19:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)