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Zenmaster

I support your reblock of the account. User:Zscout370 03:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought you had earlier mentioned supporting a reblock. If not, I'm sorry I didn't approach you first to discuss it. Tom Harrison 03:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No big deal; I mentioned at the arbcom page that if a reblock was needed and suggested, I was not objected to it. User:Zscout370 08:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

HE is back

He's at Council of American Islamic Relations this time. He's been here before, and he's ignoring 3RR as usual. Arrow740 06:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

He keeps posting incivil comments on my talk page, can you please semi-protect it? Arrow740 23:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like another admin protected it. Tom Harrison 12:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Meetup

Tom, thanks for coming out. I think it would be great if you went to WT:CHIASSESS and nominated Union Stock Yards. It would also be great if you voted at the bottom of WP:CHIASSESS.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hehe. Thank you sir. I do what I can. KyuuA4 21:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Images

Do you really think that the images I've deleted, and you've restored have any encyclopedic value? Do you imagine any of them in Encyclopedia Britannica for instance? M0RD00R 21:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure, how not? Feel free to bring it up at Talk:Antisemitism around the world and we'll see what other people think. Tom Harrison 21:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Theo7

That was rather quick... he hasn't edited since before the CSN discussion started. KillerChihuahua 22:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes; I think it would waste less time to have have people discuss or undo my block. Tom Harrison 22:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Well my position is clear from my endorsement, I think. Let me know if a discussion occurs which doesn't appear here on your talk page, please, so I don't miss it (if it occurs at all, which I much doubt.) KillerChihuahua 22:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Meetup

Tom, If you have a need that you believe I can help out with, you are welcome to leave me a message. I live in Wisconsin, but what's physical distance on the Internet. Best, --Ancheta Wis 03:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Ancheta. It looks like we have some interests in common. I hope you'll do likewise. It was good to meet you, Tom Harrison 12:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Invite

Just noticing your work on the Freedom's Watch page.

You are being recruited by the Money and Politics Task Force, a collaborative project committed to ensuring that links between government officials and private-sector resources are accurately displayed in relevant entries. Join us!

Cyrusc 15:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look. Tom Harrison 17:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Estulin

You made a mistake about Daniel Estulin; if you consider the sources as as unreliable, you should look for some good ones. Just a suggestion. --Equidistant 16:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD Evidence

Hi Tom, I found a bunch of new sources discussing the film The Maltese Double Cross – Lockerbie and listed them at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Maltese Double Cross – Lockerbie. Obviously some of this needs to be incorporated into the article, but I think this is more than sufficient to make this one a keeper. Was hoping you could take a look and reconsider you delete vote, or if you still think it should be deleted perhaps you can elaborate on your rationale.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 21:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/SevenOfDiamonds/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 22:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Up to your old tricks again?

Abusing admin tools to gain the upper hand in a content dispute again? Guettarda 15:15, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree that he ever did it before, Guettarda, and when he blocked an IP on grounds of BLP, and immediately reported the block at one of the noticeboards for feedback (which he wouldn't have done if he had been trying to sneak in the version he wanted by falsely claiming BLP), I think he was defended by other admins, including Morven. (Not that being an admin or arbitrator means that you're right, of course!)

In this case, I've just looked at the history of the article. I assume that you're referring to Regnery Publishing, but if I'm mistaken, I apologise. I've looked at the history of the entire article, searching for Tom's name, and I can confirm that he has never edited it, prior to his protection. It seems that THF reported it at AN/I as a BLP violation (whether rightly or wrongly) in three edits made between 14::42 and 14:44. Tom presumably saw that, went as a completely uninvolved administrator, decided that THF's claims had merit (and I make no claim as to whether he was right or wrong), removed the bit which was seen as problematic, and protected the page. That's perfectly in accordance with the BLP policy, which, incidentally, allows admins to use their tools even if they are involved in the article. Of course, that exemption can be abused, as an admin could technically, be involved in an edit war to remove well sourced material about a living person that he was personally an admirer of, and could then claim BLP in order to enforce his POV. However, since Tom has never edited the article, I don't understand how you could possibly think that he was "abusing admin tools to gain the upper hand in a content dispute". Also, Tom has invited review at Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Regnery_Publishing. ElinorD (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Tom didn't just protect the article, he inserted himself into the dispute by taking one side (which he did when he made the deletion) and THEN he protected the page, so the claim of not being involved is codswallop: he didn't protect "the wrong version", he protected HIS version. And THAT is abusing admin tools. --Calton | Talk 16:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Haven't you read WP:BLP? "Administrators may enforce the removal of such material with page protection and blocks, even if they have been editing the article themselves." We can disagree over whether or not Tom's judgment that it was a valid BLP violation was the right judgment. If it was right, it was completely appropriate for him to remove the material and protect it in that version. If it was wrong, then, since he had never edited the article, and had come to it as a completely uninvolved administrator who saw a complaint on the noticeboard, it's obviously a case of making an error, not of abusing the tools. ElinorD (talk) 16:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, as another uninvolved admin looking through the pages I would have done exactly the same. Tom is too adult to be bothered by the personal attack but Guettarda should perhaps consider an apology.--BozMo talk 17:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

As I stated on the talk page of the protected article, it appears that Tom was responding to an initial report on BLPN. Further, as WP:BLP states, there is nothing improper with him using admin action to enforce BLP, regardless of whether or not he edits the article as part of his hobby time. He is owed an apology. - Crockspot 18:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

In fact I think I saw it first on ANI. Tom Harrison 18:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for cheering me up

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you for making my very very favourite talk page post ever! ElinorD (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Tom Harrison 21:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

AssociatedContent.com

Hello, Tom harrison, why did you remove the reference to Associated Content from the Zach Slater and Kendall Hart article, as well as from the Supercouple article?

Even though articles from that site are written by some of its users, they have been deemed as a reliable independent source in plenty of articles on Misplaced Pages, such as the Anakin Skywalker article. Flyer22 20:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

No, associatedcontent.com is not in general a reliable source. Tell me in what cases you think it might be. Tom Harrison 20:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Okay, sure, Anakin Skywalker was not the best example of a Misplaced Pages article to use, but Associated Content is called an independent source, and from what I've seen of it, it is reliable.

As for the deeming, I mean, in having talked to other experienced Wikipedian editors while fixing up the Supercouple article (though, yes, I'm still fixing up that article) who checked that reference from Associated Content and the only thing that they pointed out about it is that it mentioned Misplaced Pages, as in referring back to us in one mention, which is the only thing that caused a feeling that we should go with a different source for the instance where Associated Content is used within that article. And, also, I meant that I've seen countless deletion debates, where no editor brings up Associated Content as not being reliable. Flyer22 20:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks to me like associatedcontent.com is a hosting service where anyone who wants to can write what they please. I suppose if a particular author were a recognized expert we might use that, but I don't see how it differs from an individual's webpage. If you want, you could add to the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#associatedcontent.com. Tom Harrison 20:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I feel that it differs in that I haven't personally seen any inaccuracies with it...yet, so there must be some sort of condition that they have in making sure who types there is typing the real deal. Anyway, so the use of Associated Content is being debated? You feel that I should talk this over with other editors before using Associated Content as a source in Misplaced Pages articles? Flyer22 20:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd avoid using it as a source. Certainly it should not be used for any controversial material about living people. I see you do a lot of work with television and popular culture. That's not an area I know well, but I have seen a few books about television shows that could be cited. There is some critical commentary from academics, and reviews in newspapers and magazines. Lost (TV series) is a featured article. You might see what they used for citations as they were bringing it up to featured status. Maybe someone at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television has some ideas. Tom Harrison 20:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, Tom. You don't mind if I call you Tom instead of your whole name (user name), right? I went ahead and weighed in with my thoughts at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#associatedcontent.com, but you certainly brought up a few good points concerning this matter. Flyer22 21:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

"Tom" is fine, thanks. Happy editing, Tom Harrison 21:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please explain more fully...

You excised a reference -- but you didn't explain why.

I encourage you to return to Talk:Aukai Collins and explain this edit.

Cheers! Geo Swan 20:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Murphy

What kind of issues are we having with this guy? Is he going all Alex Jones on our asses or something? - Crockspot 19:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I sent you an email. Tom Harrison 19:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration case

I have requested arbitration regarding WP:BADSITES and its derivative in WP:NPA, and named you as a party in this case. Phil Sandifer 00:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

In the interests of transparency...

In the interests of transparency I think I should advise you of these recent comments I made.

I told Crockspot, during his {{rfa}}, that I admired his ability to recognize and acknowledge when he had made mistakes in the past. I said in the {{rfa}} that an ability to acknowledge error is an extremely important quality for a wikipedia administrator to possess.

I am telling you this in case there are any aspects of the stands you have taken that you are now reconsidering. I went to the reliable sources noticeboard you recommended. I noticed that you asked for opinions in that forum about the reliablility of globalresearch.ca -- you characterized it as no better than prisonplanet in your discussion with me. Did the discussion for the noticeboard cause you to reconsider that comment?

I am going to remind you that you have threatened to block me from editing -- without any prior warning -- if you thought I was using references that you thought were not up to your personal interpretatiosn of the standards of WP:BLP. If you are now willing to accept that globalresearch is not a kooky conspiracy site, perhaps it would be a good thing for you acknowledge that? Geo Swan 13:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

• That comment above had nothing to do with you, it was in reference to Don Murphy, and his apparent attacking and outing of Wikipedians, and encouragement of others to harass Wikipedians in real life, from his own website, much in the same way that Alex Jones did recently, when he named and attacked Wikipedians, including Tom harrison, on his website, prisonplanet.com. The only connection to you is the coincidence that my comment was in a section that followed your comment above. This has nothing to do with you, conspiracies, or Right Wing Cabals. See the Don Murphy AfD for further context. (You'll note that in that AfD, I am !voting against my alleged cabal). - Crockspot 17:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Judd Bagley

I don't dispute the basis for your stubbing this article, but it strikes me as strange that you did not take any action concerning the personal attack above which you posted your talk page comment. Was this an oversight or did you not feel it should be removed?--Samiharris 14:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Too much to do, too little time. I support your removal of it. Tom Harrison 14:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

• Tom, I have downgraded to semi-protection. The deletion debate is underway, I strongly suggest a merge for this one, but I don't think we can really justify blanking and protecting. Sorry. Guy (Help!) 15:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Guy, full protection may not be needed (though I think it is), but blanking is certainly necessary and appropriate - see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Rachel Marsden. Tom Harrison 15:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Tom, I'm Rambutan and I nominated the article for deletion. Just to let you know that Phil Sandifer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has twice reverted your stubbing of the article; it's currently in unstubbed form since I can't be bothered to do anything about it now. Would you? Thanks so much!--Rambutan (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Judd Bagley where people can state their concerns. Tom Harrison 16:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

fring

Hi Jaranda,

Please reconsider your deletion of the fring article.

The deletion of this article seems very biased, seeing that skype, pidgin IM etc all have articles and this is exactly the same type of article. fring is a new mvoip system but it is in over 150 countries already making it very notable. The references are valid and there is no difference between references in the fring article and the skype article.

I beg you to reconsider.

regards simon Goplett 19:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Bane on Society

Hi Tom, I just thought I would stop by to remind you that you are a bane on society. Perhaps you are able to make these edits, because you don't believe they have effect in real life. You are wrong. Just a friendly reminder, after reviewing some of the articles you heavily edited, you have successfully turned Misplaced Pages into a worthless and unreliable propaganda machine. —Slipgrid 19:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

And I am his obedient acolyte.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 19:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)