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:::: This is a good point; I removed the 'ethnic nationalism' link from the intro since it's not right to tar everyone with that brush. ] 15:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::: This is a good point; I removed the 'ethnic nationalism' link from the intro since it's not right to tar everyone with that brush. ] 15:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hooray for Labour's stirring the pot of ethnic nationalism for another go at divide and conquer! "Evil" Britain is beseiged by hooligan balkanists! Another notch under the belts of barbarians everywhere! I love systemic bias and POV-pushing! ] 19:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
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why is the infobox transcluded from {{English populations}}? Most articles have their infoboxes in plain view in the article text. Transclusion messes up footnote numbering: the infobox is shown at the top, but the footnotes are numbered as if it was at the end. --dab(𒁳)15:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't see any reason why not. Any one else know why it's transcluded? I can't see any damage in moving it, but let's just check. Pedro | Chat 09:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I moved it because it clutters the page and makes it difficult to sift the main text from all the formatting when editing. (NovusTabula10:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC))
I'm restoring this as prematurely archived. The issue isn't resolved. The footnote numbering is still messed up. I find the recent tendency to transclude infoboxes questionable in general, since it puts infobox content out of view of people who have the article on their watchlist. Much easier to vandalise. On Assyrian people, we even had a case of an edit-warrior moving the infobox to a template in an attempt to dodge a content dispute. --dab(𒁳)13:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
English not an ethnic group
I have removed the section of the definition paragraph which quoted the OED as a source for the claim that the English are not an ethnic group. Whilst some people do argue from that POV, I feel they should set out their case in a separate paragraph. I considered leaving it in and countering the claims, but that seemed to be more likely to result in an edit war. I also removed the quote from Sarah Kane's play, as it echoes the Andrea Levy quote, which I think is more pertinent.--Cenwulf14:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I see your point here, and I understand why you removed the passages from their present locations. However, I think it's important to keep the OED's definition in full, and I'm also not so sure that English ethnic nationalism is entirely about Anglo-Saxon ancestry (do ethnic nationalists really exclude people with Viking and Norman ancestry from modern English ethnicity?) What I've done is move the OED definitions to the top of the section, out of the 'Ethnic Group' section, so that they 'introduce' the two concepts rather than being used only about the first. I also put the Blasted quote back, because we need a quote that actually supports the concept of English ethnicity (Andrea Levy is opposing it). It would be great to find a better quote than this though, from somebody more thoughtful, but it's better than nothing.Cop 66317:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a difference between recognition of an ethnic group, and full-fledged ethnic nationalism: you can be member of a group, and then you can be a prick about it, or not. Whether the English are an "ethnic group" is entirely a matter of definition. If they aren't, what ethnicitiy do English people have? "ethnic British"? I doubt the Welsh or Scottish would accept such a definition of ethnicity. --dab(𒁳)15:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
This is a good point; I removed the 'ethnic nationalism' link from the intro since it's not right to tar everyone with that brush. Cop 66315:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Hooray for Labour's stirring the pot of ethnic nationalism for another go at divide and conquer! "Evil" Britain is beseiged by hooligan balkanists! Another notch under the belts of barbarians everywhere! I love systemic bias and POV-pushing! Lord Loxley19:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
