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WTF?

...can have both positive and negative effects... Excuse me? What positive effects could there be? I'm pretty sure even Prader-Willi Syndrome is less detrimental for a given person than Asperger's. Take it from someone diagnosed with it. User:Gmeric13@aol.com —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, to quote one of our references,]

"Individuals with Asperger disorder have normal or even superior intelligence, and they may make great intellectual contributions... Published case reports of men with Asperger disorder suggest an association with the capacity to accomplish cutting-edge research in computer science, mathematics, and physics. While the deficits manifested by those with Asperger disorder are often debilitating, many individuals experience positive outcomes, especially those who excel in areas not dependent on social interaction. Persons with Asperger disorder have exhibited outstanding skills in mathematics, music, and computer sciences. Many are highly creative, and many prominent individuals demonstrate traits suggesting Asperger syndrome. As an example, biographers describe Albert Einstein as a person with highly developed mathematical skills who was unaware of social norms and insensitive to the emotional needs of family and friends."

That's a brief summary, but I hope that it answers your question. A lot of us aspies wouldn't want a cure if they could invent one. Poindexter Propellerhead 01:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have Asperger's, and I feel it is the reason why I have such a logical mind- which is why I excel rather typically at mathermatics, computer science, physics and music. Basically, I'm confirming the above. 77.96.223.11 21:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps I was wrong. Not definitely, but perhaps. Another thing - while the average person with Asperger's may be especially good at mathematics, I was always terrible at word problems. Every night in elementary school for a very long time, my parents would have to sit down for 3 hours and go over the problem with me and I still wouldn't understand. It's that way once again today, when it doesn't look like I will pass a required course to graduate from high school. Maybe something's wrong with me because I don't think this is a good thing. User:Gmeric13@aol.com

Child Adolesc Psychiatric Clin N Am special issue on AS

The January 2003 issue (Volume 12, Issue 1) of the journal Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America contains several high-quality articles about AS, that are all open to the public without subscription. They are a tad dated, but in some cases less dated than stuff we already cite, and it's nice to cite freely-readable articles. I've added citations to three of them, both in Asperger syndrome and in Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome. The articles I've read have been Klin & Volkmar, Fombonne & Tidmarsh, and Tstatsanis. Perhaps someone else can take a look at the others, as I'm starting to run low on time. Eubulides 07:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Klin A, Volkmar FR (2003). "Asperger syndrome". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): xiii–xvi. PMID 12512394.
• Klin A, Volkmar FR (2003). "Asperger syndrome: diagnosis and external validity". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 1–13, v. PMID 12512395.
• Fombonne E, Tidmarsh L (2003). "Epidemiologic data on Asperger disorder". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 15–21, v–vi. PMID 12512396.
• Towbin KE (2003). "Strategies for pharmacologic treatment of high functioning autism and Asperger syndrome". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 23–45. PMID 12512397.
• Tsatsanis KD (2003). "Outcome research in Asperger syndrome and autism". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 47–63, vi. PMID 12512398.
• Attwood T (2003). "Frameworks for behavioral interventions". Child Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 65–86, vi. PMID 12512399.
• Paul R (2003). "Promoting social communication in high functioning individuals with autistic spectrum disorders". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 87–106, vi–vii. PMID 12512400.
• Krasny L, Williams BJ, Provencal S, Ozonoff S (2003). "Social skills interventions for the autism spectrum: essential ingredients and a model curriculum". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 107–22. PMID 12512401.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• Myles BS (2003). "Behavioral forms of stress management for individuals with Asperger syndrome". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 123–41. PMID 12512402.
• Tantam D (2003). "The challenge of adolescents and adults with Asperger syndrome". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 143–63, vii–viii. PMID 12512403.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I've put references to all of those citations (except the editorial first one) in the article. Attwood was the biggest stretch, since his article is really sprawling, but it covers a lot of treatment issues so I didn't want to let it go. Eubulides 21:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

"See also" versus "Further information" style issue

Asperger syndrome uses the "seealso" template, which results in text that looks like this:

But other medical articles (e.g., Influenza) tend to use the "see" or "further" template, which looks like this instead:

Is there any reason this article uses "seealso"? Eubulides 22:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I have never figured out the difference is supposed to be, and I don't think it matters as long as we're consistent. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

My impression is that the "see" template is more common than "seealso" in Misplaced Pages and I'd prefer "see" unless there are some objections. No big deal either way. Eubulides 23:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't matter to me; the one that does matter to me is that we not use the "Main" template if we aren't using summary style to summarize a main article back to this one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, I made the change. Eubulides 20:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Recap

What else needs to be done? I'm wondering if others feel we're close or if we need a list at this stage? I'm waiting to sit down with a final printout to check for consistency, flow and wikilinking until we have a fairly close, final version. Current size is 29KB readable prose. I wish we had one more image (why was the MRI image deleted?). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to copyedit "History" still, but am out of time right this second. Ideally someone else would then copyedit the whole thing, as you mention. Eubulides 23:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

After you've been thru history, I'd like to ask TimVickers or Colin to take a look. I'll also review when you're done, mostly looking for wikilinking etc. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why the image was removed. Perhaps someone disliked its appearance? I wish they'd explain. Eubulides 23:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, if we've now worked through all of the issues raised above, can we archive the top 14 sections (thru Tweak needed to Diagnosis), leaving the valuable free access to the Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics onward? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Fine with me to archive, but I'd wait a couple of days first as there's been a lot of editing activity there and in the article in the past few days and others might need some time to catch up. Eubulides 23:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll wait. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

There's a question on the talk page of Diagnosis of Asperger syndrome about diagnosis in adulthood. I thought we had no info, but in the new free sources Eubulides found above, we do have something at

• Tantam D (2003). "The challenge of adolescents and adults with Asperger syndrome". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 12 (1): 143–63, vii–viii. PMID 12512403.

Eubulides, I'm hoping you'll have time to gel adult diagnoses down to a sentence or two. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Attwood has a few pages on adult diagnosis as well(in his Complete Guide). But why only a sentence or two when 70-80% of the population is adult? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenke (talk • contribs) 12:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Attwood's book is not a peer-reviewed source (the reviewed source we have has plenty of info). Do you have a reliable source documenting that 70-80% of diagnoses are made to adults? I believe most diagnoses are children. A sentence or two, relative to the size of the entire section, doesn't seem out of line to me. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It's a book, and has it's sources listed, like any other. Is there a rule or law that says one can not use information from books, directly or indirectly? You asked for info, the book has some and points to other sources. I stated that about 70-80% of all people with AS would be adults (since 70-80% is adult and AS doesn't go away when growing up), not that 70-80% of diagnoses are made to adults. I do think it would be useful to give the issue of diagnosing adults - and the differences with diagnosing children - proper attention. Two lines in *that* article about diagnosing adults would not do the issue 'justice'. I did not realize that you might have been talking about *this* article.--Fenke 14:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom ruled on reliable sources in scientific articles here. I'm unclear whether you're asking for more information in general on adults (which is available in the same link given for diagnoses) or whether you're asking for more information specifically on diagnoses in adults; the link given does summarize adult issues as well. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC) (Attwood's book, while good for layreadership, is neither a medical textbook, nor peer-reviewed.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I got adult diagnoses down to one sentence in this article, here. More detail can be added to the subarticle later. Eubulides 21:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Copyediting update

Had a quick run through and tweaked a few things. A few issues:

In History:

diagnostic validity of Asperger syndrome is tentative - I am unhappy with the word 'tentative' here but 'disputed/questionable/equivocal/weak' are all a bit strong and I feel place too much of a negative spin. 'controversial'? but this is overused and not apt either. 'debated' ?

Stubby paras in some of the Characteristics subsections aren't a good look but the alternative of lumping them is tricky too.

Anyway, just some thoughts. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed "tentative" to "unclear". Hope that works. The paras' stubbiness looks OK to me, but I don't mind stubby as much as others do. Eubulides 15:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and PS, thanks for the copyediting. More please! Eubulides 15:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Stick a fork in it

I think the article is good enough to pass FAR now, and have put in a "Keep" vote in the FARC commentary. Another copyediting pass wouldn't hurt, if you have the time. My time to work on this has about run out. Eubulides 22:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

NAMED IN HONOR OF ?

I find it most bizarre and uncomfortable for AS to be described in being name "in honor of" Asperger. True, it is more than frequent and typical for pathological conditions, disorders and diseases to be name after the person WHO FIRST DESCRIBED THEM, but never, in any medical or psychology text, have I read "named in honor of" ... and I question if this particular phrase should be retained or rewritten to reflect the standard actual adoption of names to define an acknowledge the professional who first described a pathological condition. Yes, it is possible to Google many references to "in honor of", but these are mere lifting of text from WP.

When seeking the more common uses of "in honor of", you find the naming of charitable organizations after a major funder, hospital wings after a distinguished physician who attracted distinguishment and supportive funds, organizations dedicated to helping others and being named after a deceased child Kiwi 09:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm..tricky "named after..x" sounds a bit casual for an encyclopedic article, splashing the word 'eponymous' is a bit jargonistic and unnecessary. I do see your point. Any ideas? just simply "named for" ? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with casual if it's accurate and well-stated. I changed it to "after". Eubulides 15:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Good morning all - including Eubulides. Well, I note that this morning it has been continued to be "in honor of" in the second paragraph of the article, though it seems to have been altered, far down the page, under "History"

So let me suggest THIS. According to what is currently in the AS article, if anyone can CITE where in Wing's article, she states that she is naming the syndrome IN HONOR OF, then let's footnote it and I'll be quiet.

Wing's article doesn't say "honor". I changed the other "named in honor of" to "named after". Eubulides 17:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Lorna Wing is credited with widely popularizing the term in the English-speaking medical community in her 1981 publication of a series of case studies of children showing similar symptoms. Wing's translation and publication effectively gave the condition its current name. It was Asperger who, in 1944, described four children in his practice who had difficulty in integrating themselves socially.

It seems rather straight-forward that it was Wing who adopted the term, just as other researchers relate back to the person who first clinically observed, described and defined. Kiwi 16:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, okay. To be fair, a similar "in honor of" in any of the non-English publications up to that time would suffice. Look, the man had observed FOUR institutionalized patients when he described the syndrome. It was others, obviously, who then recognized similar traits in patients of their own. Kiwi 16:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

little queries

First statement about 1944: does it need a reference, or is this covered in the body of the article? The caption says "in the 1940s" rather than "in 1944". Tony (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

1944 is ref'd in the History section; I removed the confusing reference to the 1940s in general, since Asperger's work continued. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Issues with Little's survey

User:Tony1 had some questions and suspicions about the Internet-based survey of mothers (Little L (2002). "Middle-class mothers' perceptions of peer and sibling victimization among children with Asperger's syndrome and nonverbal learning disorders". Issues Compr Pediatr Nurs. 25 (1): 43–57. doi:10.1080/014608602753504847. PMID 11934121.). I just now took the time to read that paper for the first time, as well as Little's earlier letter about it (Little L (2001). "Peer victimization of children with Asperger spectrum disorders". J Am Acad Child Adolesc Psychiatry. 40 (9): 995–6. PMID 11556644.), along with a followup paper based on the same survey (Little L, Clark RR (2006). "Wonders and worries of parenting a child with Asperger syndrome & nonverbal learning disorder". MCN Am J Matern Child Nurs. 31 (1): 39–44. PMID 16371824.). With all that in mind, I think the survey doesn't deserve so much space in Asperger syndrome. It was not a random survey, and as Little & Clark say, it "cannot be considered a representative sample of families of children with AS/NLD." I therefore removed the details and left only a pointer to Tsatsanis's summary of the situation. Tsatsanis writes "there is more evidence to suggest that children with AS occupy the role of victim rather than victimizer", which sounds like a fair summary, so I rewrote the text to match that better. Eubulides 17:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Peer victimization is an important aspect of AS, Little's survey gives insight into it's prevalence, others (Hay, Tantam) have published on it's impact on the victims. On Little's research, (1) How is this research not random enough and (2) what is the wiki policy on evaluating research? Fenke 23:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Victimization is certainly important, but the issue is already summarized in the article now. The detailed numbers in Little's survey are unreliable compared to the other items in the article; the article shouldn't emphasize those numbers at the expense of the other, better-attested items. In response to the query "Asperger victimization" Pubmed lists only Little's survey (PMID 11556644, PMID 11934121, PMID 16371824, all of which are about the same Internet survey) along with an incomprehensible (to me) Japanese-language review (PMID 17354573). Can you please cite the other reliable sources you mention? It would be most helpful to have a reliable comparison of victimization rates for those with AS compared to other ASD or to neurotypicals. Thanks. Eubulides 01:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Concur, completely. Both Tantam and Tstasani have enough to say that is not from a biased survey, that we can stick to higher quality sources. We've got more peer-reviewed, high quality literature to work with now, and we don't need to use literature that is non-random and with such a strong disclaimer. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Well done and thank you, Eubulides. Tony (talk) 08:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

MedMos

The one thing that I would address at this point is to do some simplification. Yes, to add some words to explain a more technical or obscure term, in addition to adding a WP link. And for some of those terms, to make sure they are, if in another paragraph further down, to again be linked. http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:MEDMOS (since I don't know how to do links without looking them up and I have felt too ill to do much of anything the past two days, having only a couple of hours of feeling "normal" today). This is the only comment I feel comfortable in advancing at this stage of getting this article to FAS. Kiwi 01:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I am more used to the jargon and don't see the problems as easily as others might. Can you please help out by listing the obscure terms here? You can just copy them from the article and paste them on the talk page. Other editors and I can then search for their occurrences in the article and add explanations. Thanks. Eubulides 02:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more Kiwi. I have always believed that if something is worth saying at all is worth saying so clearly that anybody can understand it. Perhaps you would be so good as to provide a couple of examples of what you mean? --Zeraeph 02:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Zeraeph! I was thinking of you when I decided to finally wade into the fray!!

Okay! I think I can do that. There aren't a lot that stopped me completely flat in my tracks, but there may be more that didn't make me stumble, but that would be Greek to other. This gives me something helpful and productive to do and actually has lifted my spirits, making my malaise less oppressive. Kiwi 03:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Examples I found

It is a shame that WikiLinks don't cause a new window to open, making it easier to get back to the original article - maybe to the Wiki-dictionary? I think there is one? It would be cool if they were small pop-up windows. For all I know, they are.

• spectrum (from "autistic spectrum"). Even the article Autistic spectrum fails to enlighten anyone as to what spectrum means in defining this or any other disorder. What it means is "spectrum means that autistic disorder range from very severe disability where they will never be able to do a lot to in-between, yet differing kinds of problems and then to where the person can function in society with less problems and less need of support.

• Thanks, I tried to improve that here and here. Eubulides 05:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• reciprocal - current article referred to starts "reciprocity refers to in-kind positive or negative responses of individuals towards the actions of others" IN-KIND????? When was the last time you used that term? from the current article. "difficulties in social communication and =reciprocal social skills=," might be described as being able to figure out what someone means and to respond the way that is expected. Yeah, it's kinda rough, but I'm not a social scientist.

• Thanks, I fixed that here and here. Eubulides 05:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• cognitive development - DREADFUL intro paragraph. Why not an explanation that it refers to the development of thinking skills or something?

• Good point. I added a comment to its talk page at Talk:Theory of cognitive development #Dreadful lead paragraph. Eubulides 05:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• language peculiarities - linked to nothing and not explained

• It means unusual use of language, along with unusual development of language, but it's a bit too long to say that. I tried to reword it here. McPartland says "atypical", for what it's worth. Eubulides 05:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• motor clumsiness - finally, in the third paragraph of the intro paragraph, someone gets around to explaining what it Motor Clumsiness means (to the person who wrote the article anyway) "Clumsiness and tendency to fall down are a matter of poor balance and gross motor coordination". With my grandson, it is problems with fine motor skills like buttoning and figuring out how to get his t-shirt on and off. These things may indicate future difficulties in drawing, coloring and writing, or in playing certain sports. But at less than 3, he never fell down, climbed well and could run like the wind.

• Motor skills disorder is a weak article, but I fixed its first sentence along the lines you suggested. Eubulides 05:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• diagnostic validity - duh??? for someone without a research statistics course under their belt, they do not understand VALIDITY is one of the 3 vital parameters (construction, validity and reliability) that tells whether a given research project actually achieves what it set out to do. In other words, is it sound research where the nex guy will get the same results ... or is it BS? But we need something simpler like ", in other words, do the observed symptoms mean what they seem to mean or are they a totally separate brain dysfunction."

• OK, thanks, I fixed that problem here. Eubulides 06:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• phenotype - in this article, used in the following way -> ASD, in turn, is a subset of the broader autism phenotype (BAP). When you click on phenotype, you find an article that immediately is immersed into genetics, then evolution.

• There should be an article for broader autism phenotype. We can put it on our to-do list. In the mean time, wikilinking to phenotype may be the best we can do. Eubulides 06:26, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• prosody - my lord, I'm not even going to try to describe how poorly the linked article is at saying anything

• Prosody is laced with jargon, isn't it? I tried to fix the intro here. Eubulides 06:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• hypothesis - needs a wiki-linking if the intro is decent, otherwise, a brief definition or explaination

• I added a wikilink here. Eubulides 06:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

• "intact intellectual and linguistic ability" - intellectual often commonly means someone well-educated who shows off with big words. Linguistic is completely obscure to most persons. Each portion of this bit could be briefly explained without a fuss
• intellectual - thinking and reasoning skills.
• linguistic - the ability to learn & use words correctly
• adherence to routines - why not, sticking to routines
• amass volumes - collect vast volumes
• asymmetrical - different on one side of the body than the other
• metaphor in the phrase "use of metaphor meaningful only to the speaker" - link says, a rhetorical trope defined as a direct comparison between two or more seemingly unrelated subjects. In the simplest case, this takes the form: "The is a ." I don't recall my English teacher being this obscure. Everyone in the class understood what a metaphor.
• pendantic - linked article stinks - why not just say "sounds like a teacher"
• intonation - DREADFUL linked article that focuses on pitch and prosody. Why not just add to explain what the word means in those with AS?
• tangential speech - commonly found in some mental illnesses, should be briefly explained as the speaker letting one expressed thought lead him to suddenly start talking about that new subject, often never to return to complete what was being talked about.

I don't mean to criticize -- the second paragraph of Speech and language is brilliantly put together. And maybe my understanding of the presumed vocabulary level of the target population presumes a lot of education...

Now, ON THE OTHER HAND,

• stereotyped leads to a GREAT intro paragraph
• nonverbal communication leads to a rather rough article, but at least it does a fairly decent job of getting the point across
• prevalence - well defined in first paragraph of intro
• pervasive developmental disorders leads to pretty good clear stuff

If any of the following paragraphs give anyone problems, they all have daughter articles that will explain any obscurities or confusions.

PS: My spelling, grammar and periodic ability to be totally incomprehensible are things I can only apologize for - Severe PTSD back in 2000 changed me forever in certain permanent ways, though after 8 months or so, I could finally start reading things more complicated than Reader's Digest with any comprehension. Kiwi 03:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Large scale changes

I haven't looked at the article for while and I am shocked at the opening paragraph. What was a reasonable paragraph has now regressed to a point where it only extolls one extremely POV stance. I just looked through this talk page and see no justification for it. I don't have time right now but I will read through the histories and get where it went this way and make some suggestions. I would not show this article to anyone I knew as authoritative about Asperger's. Alex Jackl 17:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The article does attempt to maintain NPOV; please put here any specific suggestions for improving it that regard. The current lead has more "positive" stuff at the end (in the 3rd paragraph), and more "negative" stuff in the beginning (in the 1st paragraph). Perhaps moving some of the "positive" stuff earlier would lessen the shock? Eubulides 17:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A necessary change in tune

This is directed to SandyGeorgia.

I now retract my former agreement Zeraeph's suggestion on the FARC page and insist that all of my portion of the deleted and relocated dialogue be immediately reverted to it's original condition. I recognize the right for Z's and anyone else's possible deletions, including yours, to also be reverted immediately.

I did not understand much of any policy about what can and cannot be dealt with on a FARC page and have had my knuckles rapped. I will never forget again and when Z brought up all this personal stuff again on the FARC, it never occurred to me that the issue was inappropriate and simply responded to her. And I am appalled that she has totally ignored my request that she reinsert my initial entry .. minus, at most, anything personal in terms of identifying info in that Strong Keep comment.

And now that Marskell has explained what can and cannot be removed from a FARC page, I recognize that it is not up to either Z or I to be creating new Wiki policy.

So even though this is on a different page, http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Asperger_syndrome, I request that my former inappropriate granting of my "Yes" be ignored and my implied permission to the changes made to the FARC page content be fully and completely rescinded. Kiwi 23:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

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