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Initial comments

Like I said: No, the bittorrent tracker is one of the most visited sites on the entire internet. The band is practically unknown.

And it's a 2 way disambig, which are usually disambigued with the "This article is about the BitTorrent tracker. For the metal band, see Demonoid (band)" tag. And in this case when there's such a ridiculous margin of notability, demonoid clearly should not be a 2 entry disambiguation page but rather be the actual page for the tracker.

I just made this a REDIRECT to preserve the edit history, I'll let the admins merge and mop up, etc. Demonoid (BitTorrent) should be moved to Demonoid. --froth 02:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

This page is more active than the other page demonoid. Do you think that this should be named Demonoid or should there be a disambiguation?  Xeysz  ☼  23:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

unambiguously disambiguousely disambiguous... probably. Cowicide 12:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Does this article really need that enormous image of the entire demonoid.com home page? It seems a little ridiculous dystopianray 01:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Please

see Talk:Demonoid re naming issues --froth 02:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Quality

Perhaps the quality of demonoid's torrents should be noted here. I've heard that their albums are mislabeled, in the best case being all lowercase letters, in the worst, poorly spelled and misdated. Anything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.100.218.156 (talk) 15:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha, obviously you're either terribly misled or willyfully misleading. People often even post FLAC copies with .cue files and all, can't get much more complete than that. Maybe you're just self-righteously attacking piracy, and there are arguments to be made there sure, but you're not exactly helping your cause with blatantly false accusations. Then again, I guess I only download GOOD music. Maybe if you're downloading the new Simple Plan album the 9-year-old that posted it didn't tag it properly, I dunno. Phil Urich 04:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I know this is the discussion page and all, but can we refrain from providing opinions on things that don't have any bearing on the subject at hand (i.e. whether or not Simple Plan is "good music.") Harts4Life 05:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

LOCKING THE ARTICLE

People are using this as some sort of forum, I have just reverted a forum like sentence, please lock the article from people or at least put a warning up!. I'm too new at it to put a warning up... LOTRrules 20:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, how the mighty have fallen

If anyone has any information about demonoid going offline, do us a favor and post it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.101.10 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

TorrentFreak.com is reporting that the Canadian Recording Industry Association has taken the site and trackers offline. Demonoid was operating out of Canada. Article here: Leahzero 21:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

That's not what demonoid IRC and a statement on The CircuitBox has to say...

"Ok folks, here it is. Demonoid is down. It has been for around 1 day 2 hours. The reason is down is unkown. It hasnt been RAIDed, shutdown, terminated, deleted, burned, mamed, or thrown under a bridge. There have been speculation as demonoid.com whereabouts. Well the rurmors are false. A no name site in Netherlands has a blog about Demonoid.com being down. As I don't speak douche, I can not translate. However TorrentFreak Decided upon there own free will to further spread this and rumors. Torrent freak has known to be a sleazy site they post false rumors and hope they turn out true. They do this in order for money and popularity. Quite sad isn't it. To prove this is quite easy..." - ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 13:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

According to Zeropaid.com, "'Supposedly "major server failures" were to blame and not the CRIA, meaning that Demonoid should be back very soon.'" The link is here, but for some reason, the article is missing. --John R. Sellers 06:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

After coming back up, the site has just gone down again for me (I'm in the UK). Tuwile 19:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Current Shutdown Section

For more information on the shutdown, go to the Demonoid IRC Channel

Server: irc.p2p-network.net Channel: #demonoid

People keep re-adding this section, the section does not state reliable sources, albeit it states sources, but not reliable ones, it is pure speculation nothing set in stone. If people want to add this section again, my only suggestion is to rewrite it, find reliable sources and don't make it look like its an update service. ScorpO 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I have removed most of the section, leaving only what has been reported by Torrentfreak.com, and have requested semi-protection for the article until things blow over. Sfacets 01:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I just went to the CRIA website and it says nothing about the recent shutdown of demonoid. Should this be mentioned, that they are not gloating? Stargate70 01:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

They are probably lying low, given that they have just annoyed millions of people. Sfacets 01:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Also "current shutdown" doesn't belong in an article. We're not a play-by-play website. If people want to report it like that, they should visit wikinews. This is a non-issue. their irc channel states its unscheduled maintenance, hardly a notable event.--Crossmr 01:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It is widely being reported that it is down because of the CRIA - can any other sources (besides what it says on the IRC (which regularly reports that the site is down for maintenance anyway) negate this? Sfacets 01:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

A dutch news site, and a blog are hardly "widely reported" if you have other sources which aren't just quoting the dutch news article feel free to provide them.--Crossmr 03:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Widely reported, as in widely circulated. Sfacets 03:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Blogs picking up a single news source doesn't make it more reliable.--Crossmr 04:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I like he way it is phrased now: "Nu, a dutch news site, has since reported this is due to legal actions from the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) who ordered Demonoid's ISP to shut down the site.". Sfacets 04:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Because that is the appropriate source. Torrentfreak in this case is a tertiary source as its citing the news article. Whenever possible we should be citing the original source.--Crossmr 04:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This is the (original) Dutch article, translated to English it reads:

"AMSTERDAM - The torrentsite demonoid is offline again. The controversial website has been takes offline after complaints from the CRIA, the branch organisation of the Canadian record company."

...The rest is just a general description of demoniod, the news article is extremely short and doesn't mention any source what-so-ever, I certainly wouldn't call this reliable information. torrentfreak reports:

"TorrentFreak contacted some of the Demonoid administrators, but they are not sure what happened either. It is certainly possible that Demonoid’s Canadian ISP pulled the plug after being pressured by the CRIA."

It's also possible that thye demonoid servers got hit by a meteor ... This is obviously an (educated) guess.

All other reports I've been able to find are based on these two articles.

This could (should!) be added to the article, as long as it clearly mentions that this is a rumour, NOT a fact! And (ofcoure) cites these two articles.

Note: The site's name is 'nu.nl', not 'nu' Carpetsmoker 04:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

You may want to see this... http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ Yadaman 10:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

If everyone is quite done squabbling over the terms reported or not and what is or isn't a reliable news source, can anyone here post what exactly has happened to the site? TheJudge310 13:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

From what I've heard (Original research, private trackers as source), they're just having some hardware issues... I'm more inclined to believe that personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GBobly (talk • contribs) 10:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you aware that this is an Encyclopedia? If you want gossip and rumours, try digg.com digg.com. Sfacets 13:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

An Encyclopedia? Really? I had no idea. Well since I myself am uninterested in gossip and rumours, may I ask once again that when an actual fact comes out that it is posted here, instead of the rubbish currently in the article regarding it going down. TheJudge310 17:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone should update the article with a new "as of" date - its still down as of tonight (thursday midnight) not just tuesday morning or whatever it says nowdrf 04:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

remove it

"Ok folks, here it is. Demonoid is down. It has been for aroun 18 hours. The reason is down is unkown. It hasnt been RAIDed, shutdown, terminated, deleted, burned, mamed, or thrown under a bridge. There have been speculation as demonoid.com whereabouts. Well the rurmors are false" the site isnt very creditable--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 16:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't even have a wikipedia article, few spelling errors aswell. The actual site looks more like a second My Documents folder with some "funny" pictures and game stats. --Bloigen 16:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

ISP confirmation please

The article states the ISP as 'Leaseweb', a Netherlands ISP (as per http://www.leaseweb.com/index.php?p=contact). Yet it is a wide known fact that Demonoid is located in Canada. Local news situated it's ISP in the city of Laval (Province of Quebec, Canada). Can anyone confirm/clarify the facts on this one? Thanks. YegLi —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

IP address: 209.44.123.21

IP country: Canada

IP address state: Quebec

IP address city: Laval

IP postcode: h7w1k6

IP latitude: 45.599998

IP longitude: -73.733299

ISP: Netelligent Hosting Services

Organization: Netelligent Hosting Services

Host: demonoid.com

Information from http://www.ip-adress.com/

--Bloigen 18:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Same--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 19:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Some minor fixes

Since this page is fully protected, could an admin make the following minor fixes:

• "Shutdown" should not be capitalized in the "September 2007 Shutdown" section title per WP:MSH
• Dates shouldn't have "th" (25th, 26th, etc) PER WP:DATE, and they should also be fully linked per WP:DATE (September 25, 2007) to allow for user's preferences to kick in.
• Also refs should go after punctuation per WP:CITE.

Thanks in advance. Aaron Bowen 21:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 Done Neil ム 07:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Canadians banned

Better put something about how trying to access Demonoid from a Canadian IP address now bumps you off to a redirect page. Also, a way around this short of emigration would be greatly appreciated. Cain the Mad 04:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

See proxy server. --PeruvianLlama 20:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a howto guide, or a forum. Please do not use it as one. Sfacets 02:51, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Was this meant as a comment for its own subsection, or are you responding to the above two comments by User:Cain the Mad and me? I'm not sure if you're advising people to stop using the article as a forum-style page for speculation and discussion (completely valid), or advising us to not discuss topics related to the article on its talk-page (less valid). Clarify, please? :) --PeruvianLlama 03:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)