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removal

I removed two things that I don't understand the need for.

1) Honduras lies just across the Gulf of Honduras to the east.

2) Main article: Districts of Belize

In the first case, I don't know why the phrasing has been modified to imply that Hounduras and Belize are very close in the description of what borders Belize. Belize and Honduras no more border each other than do the Netherlands and Denmark; in both cases there is an other nation and some sea in between. As far as "Districts of Belize", again I see no need for a separate article; it seems already covered. -- Infrogmation 17:31 Apr 13, 2003 (UTC)

The mention of Honduras is warranted less due to the close proximity (though they are much closer to one another than the Netherlands and Denmark), but rather because of the related former name of Belize, British Honduras, and the shared body of water in between them, the Gulf of Honduras, which may add some confusion. I thought your original objection lay in the text suggesting the two countries bordered on land, so I changed that. At any rate, there is certainly no harm done in mentioning in Honduras hi.

The link to the Districts article is needed for the country template. Though most countries do not have these articles and other are mere lists, this is not what the template had in mind. The District article is supposed to delve deeper into the governmental structure and historical background of the districts. The primary example for this is still Provinces of the Netherlands. -Scipius 17:59 Apr 13, 2003 (UTC)

Just a hunch, but the portion about Honduras- and the Gulf of Honduras might have been added since Belize was formerly known as "British Honduras." CaribDigita 21:50, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I question the true relevance of Honduras being mentioned in the opening paragraph. It holds no relevance to the rest of the paragraph and does not modify it at all. I suggest deletion of the sentence. --Tainter 00:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

coats of arms

Does Costa Rica and Belize really have the same coat of arms? Den fjättrade ankan 21:40, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The coat of arms is correct for Belize and wrong for Costa Rica. I'll remove it from there. Thanks for spotting that! -- Infrogmation 21:48, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

flora and fauna

Hey what about a section on the flora and Fauna of Belize? I have the alot of pics problem is I can't Identify all of em. Belizian 22:09, 2004 Feb 5 (UTC)

Map

A controversy has erupted over the choice of map for this article. The two candidates are shown here, along with any others that other Wikipedians may choose to enter. Feel free to make any comments. The lower map may also appear in the corresponding Geography article for this country. Kelisi 02:30, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the lower kelisi map, --SqueakBox 03:06, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

commonwealth boxes

I hope you two guys are talking to each other about those two commonwealth boxes that keep getting put into and taken out, so you can reach an agreement. Belize is starting to take over my watchlist! (My vote, by the way, is to keep them out: This is a case where too much is worse than not enough) - DavidWBrooks 20:31, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board

I would like to announce the establishment of the Misplaced Pages:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 03:53 (UTC)

Language?

This article says that about half of the population of Belize speaks Spanish as their mother tongue, while the Demographics of Belize article says that it's around 35%. Which is it? People need to cite their sources. Can anyone with any knowledge of this please address this situation and correct whichever one is wrong? aliceinlampyland 20:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Sources????

I'm seeing a lot of numbers right this moment getting switched around and overwritten by two 'annon' posters. Do you both- or either one of you have a source. or more than one source availble to cover what's being posted?

Not that I'm up-tight about it right this moment, but you may be challenged about this later on. CaribDigita 18:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I am the Source!!!!

I'm a born Belizean and I can tell you more about Belize off the top of my head than any wikipedia article could tell you. So nuh talk bout weh you nuh know, Aight homebwy! Anonymous Beliceño 18:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Such a charming and sophisticated attitude certainly lends credence to your edits. - DavidWBrooks 00:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Mr. Credence

Credence is an acredited trait which one only acquires by a combination of common knowledge and legitmate research. My sources are as legit as a Catholic marriage. I di bring dis infamation from P.G.(Punta Gorda, Belize) and back, my bwy. So nuh talk bout weh you nuh know, Aight homebwy!

If you dont understand that, check out Belizean Creole for even more on Belizean Culture. Anonymous Belizean 19:21, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Check these out http://www.kriol.org.bz.htm/ http://www.belizeanjourneys.com/ http://www.bjmjr.com/afromestizo/belize.htm

I think its a terrific idea to include Belize and the information of this fledgling nation in Misplaced Pages. I am a Belizean living and studying in the U.S. I am just ashame of some of the comments made here with such a poor behavior and attitude from Belizeans. My Belizean compatriot, everything is a work in progress and a project of this magnitude deserves patience, knowledge and bright contribution. If you are suffering from cultural or emotional instability please do not comment here. If you can think clearly, Corozal, Orange Walk, and Cayo are spanish speaking districts. We have 6 districts, and even Stann Creek and Toledo have spanish who immigrated from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemal over the past 2 decades, so 50 percent with spanish as their mother tongue is closer to being correct than your 35%. (L. R. Waight/journalist/January 4th 2006)

The Old Days and happy Britain and Belize

Am going to Belize in July for 6month do many belize remeber the good old days? when Britain and Belize were one nation :) --Miller 15:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)—

Hint hint. I wouldn't travel on that personal platform. They never were "one". Profits from the colonies were often packaged bundled up and shipped out faster then you could say Belize. Britain would get paid first and then the other nation could be second. Also a citizen in the colonies weren't just allowed to pick-up and move to Britain. CaribDigita 04:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't it suck bad that France gets to keep the larger French Guinea but British Hondurous is now "independent"? British decolonization went far too far, especially when compared to other countries with empires. It seems these last few colonies to become independent were done so for the sake of it and for PC reasons rather than any real need for such a thing. Still, I would consider Belize to be a protectorate of the United Kingdom, what with the British garrison still in place to protect it, something that also suggests that "independence" was way too premature. The UK and British Hondurous should reunify! YourPTR! 21:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the British have no official presence here although they do train here. French Guiana I think is completely different from Belize; we wanted the chance to figure out our own destiny. Are Guadeloupe and Martinique better off independent, or departments of France? The Netherlands Antilles are breaking up, what would we do as a colony again after 25 years on our own? That's like moving back into your parent's house at 40 years old.--206.27.244.59 20:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Belize. Not a return to colonial status, but an equal nation with England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland within the United Kingdom. That is your answer my friend. Hopefully one day we can also do without the Northern bit in the title when the rest of Ireland rejoins. In the meantime, we will just have to rejoice in sharing the same Monarch. :) YourPTR! 22:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

lol. "The empire" is long--- gone and it is not coming back!!!! The U.K. largely isn't a superpower anymore so this is all very wishful thinking at best... Britain also doesn't have any economic ties to their former colonies much anymore to push this. Even the current colonies of Britain use either their own currency or else the US$ for trade... It as been (like what?) over 50 +/- or so years since Britain let their colonies use the pound... Belize likewise is getting a lot of their economic support either from Taiwan or China these days- so it is much more likely to see a China-Belize political union. lol

IMHO. Britain changed ever since it turned over Hong Kong back to China.. Needless to say, Britain (at the time of independence in the region) was very happy to turn their American colonies over to the United States' sphere of influence so that Britain herself could focus solely on rebuilding itself after W.W II without having to take care of the "impoverished" colonies. CaribDigita 01:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

If not w/ Britain, Canada might be a nice idea! Lots of Canadians travel to Mexico (and with just another hour or so) by plane they could land in Belize. Belize did actually try to join the Canadian Federation during the 1950-1960's.

Belize would appeal to Western Canadians since Belize is in the same timezone as western parts of Canada. While the English-speaking Caribbean might more appeal to Eastern parts of Canada. Provincial_creationism#Current_or_former_British_territories 151.203.23.97 22:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

English vs. Spanish in Belize

In the first paragraph it says that Belize is the only English-speaking country in Central America. While I know that the official language of Belize is English, i don't know if I would call it an English-speaking country. (Notice I said "i don't know.") i really don't know though, because when i was there, most of the people i met met spoke spanish as their first language, and in many cases did not speak english at all. i was mostly in rural areas though, and i know that stuff like this varies from place to place within a country, so i'm not going to change anything based off of my knowledge, but if there is some one who knows better, i still think that phrase should be changed. Lastofthetribe 19:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

No, I disagree. Not only is English the official language, it is the first language of the majority of the people, and the common language of the vast majority. You encounter lots of folks that only speak Spanish, but you do that in most U.S. cities in the Southwest, too. - DavidWBrooks 21:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

There's quite a few Guatemalans that are squatting in rural parts of Belize trying to take the country back. That could- have been what you encountered? CaribDigita 17:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about "squatting," but certainly in the west - near San Ignacio, for example - the number of people who were born in Guatemala and who speak more Spanish than English is greater than it is on the coast. It's still fair and reasonable, however, to describe Belize as CA's only English-speaking country, I think. - DavidWBrooks 17:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

CIA World Factbook -- "Guatemalan squatters continue to settle in the largely uninhabited rain forests of Belize's border region..." See bottom. CaribDigita 22:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The official language of Belize is English. If you go to court, the proceedings are conducted in English and all other official business is conducted in English. Being surrounded by Spanish speaking republics, the Spanish language is very prevelant and as you pointed out, it is often the first language of many immigrants in the rural areas. However, it is accurate and fair to describe Belize as the only English speaking country in Central America. If you doubt that, look at the traffic signs in Belize and compare them to the traffic signs in Mexico, Guatemala, et. al. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PanBwai (talk • contribs) 17:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Demographics

I notice that the percentage of people under 65 is 50%. I suspect that, since the percentage under 15 is listed as 40%, either the percentage or the age is incorrect! InvictaHOG 19:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Source? It sounds like an advert

"Belizeans are by nature a tolerant, friendly, fun-loving people. It has long been regarded as both a curse and blessing on the nation, with some critics saying that Belizeans are not willing to sometimes fight for what they want and end up having foreigners walk all over them.

Courtesy is important to most Belizeans. It is not uncommon for Belizeans to greet each other on the street even if they have never seen each other before, or for acquaintances to spend minutes at a time chatting, oblivious to what is happening around them. Belize has retained an old world charm long lost in other countries."

Please, cite a source, mabye more. It sounds too much like advertising. I think it could be right (see, for example some articles on http://www.joebageant.com). GeoAtreides 07:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Who is removing Belizenews.net link?

I am tired of the person removing the belizenews.net link from the link section. That link is not spam and has every right to be there. I see they're not removing belizenews.com. I hope it's not that site trying to monopolize the board.

belizeans

Editors calling Belizeans.com site spam!

Misplaced Pages, which is "The Free Encylopedia" to the world is being controlled by a few overzeolous editors who think a site about the people of Belize www.belizeans.com is a spam site. Belizeans.com is a site that deals with "Belizeans", people of "Belize", and it's culture. The site is not spam. It contains important information that helps Misplaced Pages users to learn more about the country of Belize, it's people, it's mores, culture, history and events. The site contains a few ads that most site contains, but yet these editors are ruining the Misplaced Pages experiance and guidelines by continously removing the link and by threatening to block my IP because I stand up for the Belizean peoples. I will cease to post the link until this matter is mediated as per the Misplaced Pages dispute rules. It seem the indegenous people of Belize voice is being censored. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Belizeans (talk • contribs) 03:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

Official language

Not willing to start an edit war over this but Spanish is not an official language of Belize. More than enough people speak it (I took classes from Grade 7/Standard Five through Junior College) but not enough to qualify it as a national language on the order of English. I will fix this to say that significant numbers of people speak Spanish; if we're going to include that then Belize Creole should be added too for the same reason.--Aaronhumes 22:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed WikiProject

In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Central America at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Central America whose scope would include Belize. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Culture and correction

Added some stuff on the culture of Belize. Going to work on the sources. And to whoever says Belmopan is the capital of Belize District, kindly check your geography; it's in Cayo. Belize country, yes, district, no.--Aaronhumes 21:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Clarification on Religion?

I noticed that the religion section states that about half of the population is Catholic and 1/4 Protestant, with the other 25% comprised of several other religions, but the Demographics of Belize page states that 80% of the population is Catholic. Just wondering which is true?

Corrected. The numbers match now.--206.27.244.160 18:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Racial Tolerance and Religion

~When writing, individuals cannot be impartial with information in an encyclopedia~

"Racial tension is very uncommon because of the predominance of the Christian faith, and the constant admixture of the different ethnic groups. Many people simply identify as "Belizean", since Christians do not differentiate on the basis of race."

This is quite a broad statement..... "Many people simply identify as "Belizean", since Christians do not differentiate on the basis of race."

Black people came to the Americas because upstanding "Christian" men in Europe, thought that Africans were no less than animals. This continued until the mid sixties in the U.S and later in South Africa because Southern U.S. "Christian" men still thought that they were better than Blacks, who were also Christians.

Yes the "Christian" faith binds different groups in many parts of the world, But could it be that the different groups are binded because of recent (last 200 years) common history and culture?

Merge with Culture of Belize article

I suggested merging the Culture of Belize article into this one. It looks like the standalone Culture article contains mostly: 1. information that is already in the Culture section of this article, like ethnic demographics, and 2. definitions of these ethnic groups, which mostly duplicates the information in those articles. Zadeez 01:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Please note that all country articles have a Culture of subarticle as a matter of convention. Feel free to trim it down/expand it (or merge certain portions) as you see fit. But it should remain as a separate entry. Hope that makes sense. El_C 01:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Belize's size

Belize is not actually the smallest country on the American mainland. El Salvador is. Use of the term "smallest" should be restricted to descriptions of size. I suggest using "least populated" if that is the intention. -Laikalynx 20:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll be darned - you're right. I thought Belize was smaller in area. - DavidWBrooks 21:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Belize.Net

The text in that link says Belize.Net but the link goes to belize.com. Can i fix this?

Rungu 15:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Guatemala's reference for Belize

"""Throughout Belize's history, Guatemala has claimed ownership of all or part of the territory. This claim is occasionally reflected in maps showing Belize as Guatemala's most eastern province."""

The above could be changed to say

"""Throughout Belize's history, Guatemala has claimed ownership of all or part of the territory. This claim is occasionally reflected in maps showing Belize as Guatemala's twenty third province."""

This is exactly what they refer to Belize as. I'll try to provide some citations

CITATION SOURCE: http://www.ciaonet.org/atlas/countries/bz_data_loc.html (i'm not sure what qualifies as a citation. If this does not qualify, please let me know)

At the center of Guatemala's claim was the 1859 treaty between Britain and Guatemala. From Britain's viewpoint, this treaty merely settled the boundaries of an area already under British dominion. But Guatemala later developed the view that this agreement was a treaty of cession through which Guatemala would give up its territorial claims only under certain conditions, including the construction of a road from Guatemala to the Caribbean coast. Guatemala said it would repudiate the treaty in 1884 but never followed up on the threat. The dispute appeared to have been forgotten until the 1930s, when the government of General Jorge Ubico claimed that the treaty was invalid because the road had not been constructed. Britain argued that because neither the short- lived Central American Federation (1821-39) nor Guatemala had ever exercised any authority in the area or even protested the British presence in the nineteenth century, British Honduras was clearly under British sovereignty. In its constitution of 1945, however, Guatemala stated that British Honduras was the twenty-third department of Guatemala. Since 1954 a succession of military and right-wing governments in Guatemala frequently whipped up nationalist sentiment, generally to divert attention from domestic problems. Guatemala has also periodically massed troops on the border with the country in a threatening posture.

Rungu 16:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• Here's what Guatemala claims - 151.203.23.97 23:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

border vs adjacency zone

what i believe is important when writing any serious article about Belize is the fact that at this very point in Belize's history, it no longer has a border. the OAS negotiations has replaced the border with an adjacency zone. i'm not 100% certain of the sequence of events and timelines that led to this and will do the required research so this can be considered for inclusion.

--Rungu 16:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

how are external links determined?

seems to me that some of the external links attached to this page are not really relevant?

--82.96.75.94 18:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I went over the guidelines about adding external links; it seems that external links that doesnt contribute to the article are not suppose to posted. --irperera 14:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

border countries

the bordering countries and geographical entities is not mentioned in the intro or in the geography section. Jordz

Request for comment on "royal" residence of the Governor-General

Editors of this article may wish to comment on the edits being made at Official residence, advancing the unusual view that the official residence of the Governor-General of Belize, and those of his equivalents in other jurisdictions, are "royal" residences (i.e. official residences of the monarch), and that this aspect (assuming for the moment that it exists) deserves mention in a list of official residences, alongside "vice-regal", the somewhat opaque term being substituted for "Governor-General" and the like.
(For your further information, the "royal" issue began in the "Canada" entry. Afterward, the same editor spread it to the entries on "Belize" and a number of other countries. He did so in conjunction with his "general cleanup" of the article. The "cleanup" is also making the article worse in some other ways, in my opinion. You might wish to look at that, too, but those are separate, or at most indirectly related issues. I would not bother mentioning these tangentials, here, but in the cases where I have left them out, the royalising editor has placed a follow-up note saying that I've "...omitt the point that the edits ... are part of a broader cleanup...", obliging me to place another follow-up, alike to this parenthetical, to dispell the implication that I've been less than fully truthful about the situation. Sorry for this digression; I'd much rather have stayed focussed on the main issue.)
-- Lonewolf BC 21:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Note: User:Lonewolf BC is here conveniently editing my words placed elsewhere. In full, I have stated: the edits at Official residence are part of a broader cleanup of the article to create a uniform standard; "royal" and "vice-regal" in place of the specific Barbadian Monarch and Governor-General of Barbados brings the Barbados section into line with others which use (by other editors' contributions) "royal," "vice-regal," "presidential," "prime ministerial" and the like.

Comments are certainly welcome at Talk:Official residence to improve the article as a whole. --G2bambino 21:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

belize has many african animals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.56.70 (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

vandalism occured

The Infobox was vandalised and as I didn't know how to roll it back and couldn't see the edits - I have just removed the graffiti and put a the infobox header on this.

It needs rolling back to its previous state.

leatherbear 14:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Request For Comment and Support from Belizeans - Links and attribution being deleted by Notmyrealname

We have listed Belize.com, the oldest Belize website - founded in 1994 by a Belizean and Belizean-Americans as an external link. Now an individual who attempts to conceal her identity by using the handle "Notmyrealname" keeps deleting this link.

Dis yah lambiscona has been over a period of time vandalising Wikepedia links to other honest and indigenous Belizean websites including Belizeans.com and Belize News.com to name a few victimised websites. Many of the affected webstes are run by black/indegenous-owned entities. So far noh wan has called out this unprofessional and biased editor who appears to have an agenda as she moans about "tourism" websites but does not dare touch the Belize Tourism Board or Government fluff site listings?

The anonymous user has even deleted our attribution to an original picture of a Mayan ruin that we've uploaded to the image gallery. Di lambiscona seh:

" have removed some of the links you have placed on the article for Belize because they appear to violate Misplaced Pages's policy against spam. Please review this page to get a clearer idea of what kind of links are appropriate. Please also note the prohibitions against conflict of interest. If you think your links are appropriate, please discuss them on the article talk pages first. Notmyrealname 16:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

From: webmaster@Belize.com

To: whatever is your name - not that there is anything wrong in attempting to conceal your identity ;o)

We've reposted the link to Belize.com that you've been deleting - this time in second place if that will make you more comfortable.

You suggest we are a spam site and we find this highly offensive.

Please take some time to read a little about our background here:

Belize.com

Best Regards from sunny Belize.

M.A. Romero - my RealName

Dis yah huyu egg seh wi da spam. Wi dah the fus and oldesh website pan the country of italbelize. Belizeans unite and rail up agist dis yah biased lady editor noh! Next she will be deleting links to our Garifuna brethren!

Dear M.A. Romero: I have removed your link again. Misplaced Pages's policy against Linkspam is a bit different than people's usual understanding about "spam" as it relates to email. Basically, WP:EL clearly prohibits posting links to promote a commercial website. WP:SPAM Clearly states: "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam." Additionally, WP:COI clearly states that "COI editing often involves contributing to Misplaced Pages in order to promote yourself or the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups. When an editor disregards the aims of Misplaced Pages to advance outside interests, they stand in a conflict." Inserting links to your site are in clear violation of these policies. If you insert them again, they will be deleted again, and you may face blocks and blacklisting. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a site for tourism. If you disagree with my assessment of the validity of your link, please discuss it on the talk page of the article to get the approval of other editors before inserting it again.Notmyrealname 17:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

P.S. We are thinking of raising funds to run a background check on this lady to determine what her agenda is.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:BelizeExpert"

BelizeExpert 17:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

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