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She has no black/mulatto ancestry. Her father's side of Czech is well documented. Her mother's side of Canadian-Frech blood is well documented.] 22:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC) She has no black/mulatto ancestry. Her father's side of Czech is well documented. Her mother's side of Canadian-Frech blood is well documented.] 22:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, she's not a Nigger, or even an Octeroon.


==Filmography move: premature?== ==Filmography move: premature?==

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Marriage

She is gaight (half gay and half straight.) Can anyone find the interview where Angelina stated she would not get married till "people who should be able to get married, can" (in reference to gay marriage? 76.112.102.98 23:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

"Gaight"?!? Um, bisexual, which isn't necessarily a half and half thing. --Melty girl 19:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Request/ suggestion

I think Shiloh Jolie-Pitt should have her own article. She's starring in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and isn't only Angelina Jolie's daughter but also Brad Pitt's. -- Jolie has got a tattoo which reads "know your rights" on the back of her neck. This information may be included in the section regarding this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.1.116 (talk) 07:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this and other humanitarian work should be included but I cannot add it because of WP:COI --BozMo talk 08:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I added on sentence. -- EnemyOfTheState 18:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I am amused that when we upload content from our website onto Alertnet (which executes no editorial control) you link to that rather than directly to our website but only amused its all the same to me. --BozMo talk 20:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)There should be a reference to Jolie trying to ban Fox news and others from her press conference for the "A Mighty Heart".

This picture is freely allowed to add to the article. --Z33t4h 12:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Box Office Gross

Hi there,

I was going through some Hollywood bios and came across Diane Keaton, another FA. In the lead theres a line stating her total box office gross - Keaton's films have earned a cumulative gross of over USD 1.1 billion in North America.. Shouldn't there be a similar line in this article as well? Is there any particular set of guidelines for actors/actresses which could be followed while writing the leads of their articles?

Thanks,xC | 13:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

  • The problem with including such a line is that it would need to be continually updated since Jolie is still a working actress. (So is Keaton, too -- I personally disagree with including that information in her article). One would also need a reputable source for citing such a number, of course. There's probably one out there, but every time Jolie makes a movie someone would have to update the number. A better approach rather than adding all the films up would be to cite her most successful films (in terms of box office gross) to date. My guess is it would be the first Tomb Raider film. That way the list would only need to be updated whenever she makes a hugely successful film. 23skidoo 16:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
    • True - I disagree with the addition of that line as well, but since its in an FA, I figured maybe theres some guideline about such things that I didn't know about. Also, are all films of the actress supposed to be mentioned in the article, or only notable movies/roles? xC | 16:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions?

  • Jolie's role in Love Is All There Is is given a one line mention in her article. But neither the article Angelina Jolie nor Love Is All There Is asserts why her role in the movie was notable.
  • Further, the film Playing God (film) in Jolie is a commercial and critical failure (as noted in its own article). Yet it is mentioned in the article. Why is it notable then?
  • In the section International Success, there is a line referring to Life or Something Like It stating - The film was poorly received by critics, though Jolie's performance received positive reviews. The thing is, nothing is mentioned there about how well the film did commercially, nor does the film's article have any details. The reader is left to imagine whether the film did well inspite of being critically trashed (example Lara Croft) or was the film unsuccessful on both counts? Shouldn't an article related to an FA contain the bare essential details at the minimum?
  • Just a few doubts I had, would appreciate any feedback on this. regards,xC | 08:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
    • The text mentions all her theatrical releases, assuming they are all notable as biographical facts, regardless what more can be said about the film; with about two dozen movies to cover, this seems still practical. If an actor has done many more films, it becomes necessary to limit the number of movies mentioned, of course. I don't think there are any clear WP guidelines how to handle this in detail.
    • There is no policy demanding a certain quality from articles linked to a FA. Regarding Life or Something Like It, how about "poorly received by critics and the audience"? -- EnemyOfTheState 14:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the quick response. True, there is a lack of guidelines regarding the filmbios and it does get confusing at times. I've put together some of the issues in one page, that I feel might deserve some discussion and creation of relevant policies/guidelines. Here's the link. Please do have a look if you're not too busy. I'd appreciate all feedback on it, before I post to the wikiproject talk pages for Hollywood and Bollywood. Having a set of guidelines related to filmbios would definitely help out editors working on these pages.
      • About Life or something like that, well honestly I don't know how the movie was received... I was wondering, so I thought I'd ask here :)
      • Regards,xC | 14:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry

{{editprotected}} Angelina Jolie's ancestry is inaccurate. Jon Voight's paternal grandfather was Czech, his paternal grandmother was English, his maternal grandfather was German, and his maternal grandmother was German. Thus, Jon Voight is 1/4 Czech, 1/4 English, and 1/2 German. Therefore, Angelina Jolie is 1/8 Czech, 1/8 English, 1/4 German, and 1/2 French Canadian with the "disputed" tiny droplet of "supposed" Iroquois blood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beautifulxlife (talkcontribs).

The article is clear enough, and your comment will stay here on the talk page for reference. Please sign your talk page posts with four tildes - ~~~~ - so readers know who left these comments. KrakatoaKatie 23:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe that angelinajoliepics.com should be included as an external reference. Jolieweb 02:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry

If you take a look at the 1910 federal census of Yonkers, NY, you will see that Jon Voight's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Helen Voytko, was U.S.-born, but her parents were born in another country, listed as Hun-Slovak, as was her husband George Voytko. According to Misplaced Pages, Slovakia was a part of the Kingdom of Hungary until 1918, when it became Czechoslovakia. Census information is not absolutely reliable, but there is nothing here to indicate English heritage. Kayqueue 20:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC) As for Angelina's mom being French Canadian, perhaps she had French Canadian ancestry, but she was born in Illinois. See <http://marchelinebertrand.blogspot.com/>, where a cousin says she was born in a small town in Illinois. Kayqueue 00:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

She has morocan blood too since her grandmother was born in Morocco.

I personally think her ancestry shouldn't be examined deeper as it already is. There is no need to have a full family tree in the text, imho. EnemyOfTheState

New Yorker description

Movie critic Anthony Lane of the New Yorker offers some choice observations about Jolie that I found insightful and may be worth incorporating. One amusing line in his description of her different aspects was, "2. The sexpot. In this she is unchallenged, and yet her timing is off by fifty years. When it comes to channelling her carnal appeal, no current film director has a clue; the guy she needs is Frank Tashlin, who guided Jayne Mansfield through “The Girl Can't Help It” (1956) and “Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?” (1957), and whose eyeballs, if confronted with Jolie in the flesh, would pop out on cartoon springs and bob around." - BanyanTree 05:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Article length

The article currently reads in at over 70kb. Perhaps its time to split into relevant sections?xC | 20:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be unusual to have sub-articles for an actor/celebrity biography, and since the article became featured in its current state, it might be best not to split it. Also, the mere text is 'only' 40 kb, a lot of it are the references. EnemyOfTheState 10:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Humanitarian/charitable recognition Awards

First, I want to say I think the article is great. Some sections might be trimmed up a bit, but otherwise, it is well-written and informative. Besides that it could be more concise, it is a good article. But I have one other suggestion! Her humanitarian work is so important that I think there should be a list of awards she has in that area in the Info Box! You have her entertainment industry awards, but what about her UNHCR and related awards? --Ashley Rovira 15:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Since the article uses the actor infobox template, there is no way to include non-acting awards. EnemyOfTheState 10:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Sentence

Minor copyedit: Under "Early life and family" - this is not a sentence as it has no subject: Because my son’s adopted, and families are earned. I think it needs to be merged either with the sentence before or after. Can someone more knowledgable help? Thanks. ♫ Cricket02 16:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

It's a direct quote, so I don't think it should be changed. EnemyOfTheState 10:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Often cited?

From the lead:

She is often cited by popular media as one of the world's most beautiful women

The footnote leads to this BBC News article which mentions one internet poll that placed Jolie top. That is in no way enough to justify the phrase "often cited". As it happens I agree that she is often cited as such... but the referencing here is clearly inadequate for the claim. 86.132.138.229 02:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

There is another 'source' with the link to People magazines most beautiful issue in the media section, but you are right of course, a direct statement in a reliable article would be much better. EnemyOfTheState 10:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Main image

Does anyone else find this image better for the top than the current one? --thedemonhog talkedits 17:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the other one is better than the one we have right now...xC | 18:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, it might be the better picture, but it is less suited as a lead image. It's not a portrait image and it's only 186px wide, so it can't be cropped to 200px, the default width for the infobox. EnemyOfTheState 10:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I changed the main image to Image:Angelina Jolie 2007.jpg FANSTAR 17:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I cropped this image to Image:Jolietop2.png, I think it's better for the infobox. I also cropped this image of her back, Image:Jolietattoo.png; it could be used in the tattoo section - in the past several people tried to include copyrighted images of her tattoos in the article. -- EnemyOfTheState 10:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Can someone find a more suitable image? Her face is hardly visible in the current image. Myoutbackshed 10:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I second this. She's way to beautfiul to not be seen in full. --Notorious Walt 04:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Jolie's black ancestry

Could anyone confirm whether or not she has some black ancestry as there are several articles floating around claiming that her mom had an affair with a black or mulatto guy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.152.214 (talk) 20:15, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

She has no black/mulatto ancestry. Her father's side of Czech is well documented. Her mother's side of Canadian-Frech blood is well documented.Ruth E 22:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, she's not a Nigger, or even an Octeroon.

Filmography move: premature?

Jolie seems seems like a young film actor to have her Filmography moved off her main page already. It doesn't seem like it did all that much to shorten the page, and it seems like such primary information to move. Wouldn't it be better to edit down other sections that veer into trivia in order to shorten the page, or move something else, then move the filmography back to this page? For example, does the Tattoos section need to be so long? Or could it be moved? I think readers come to the Angelina Jolie page to read about her films (and many other topics) more so than to read about her tattoos. --Melty girl 04:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Unless Misplaced Pages's MOS has been changed to require filmographies to have their own articles, I don't see the point in doing so here. It's just going to be an AFD magnet, and AFD will likely result in a decision to remerge it to the main article. I give it a month. 23skidoo 15:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

ancestry

is she of slovak or czech ancestry? 60.242.48.18 13:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Mother's ancestry

It should be noted that if Marcheline Bertrand had Iroquois ancestry, the article must not then read 'Native American'. The native peoples of Canada (regarding Bertrand's French Canadian roots) are not referred to as 'Native American', they are primarily called 'First Nations'. I guess though the main question should be if she did indeed have Iroquois roots, were they based out of Canada? If the ancestry section is to stand, this should be rectified in the article. Sorry to bring up yet another ancestry section here. Bentonia School 13:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Iroquois also lived in what is now the United States. --Melty girl 22:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Section on Controversies?

Incidents happened in india could be worth mentioning. Article states all positive and no negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cool kanks (talkcontribs) 18:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Straight?

I read in an article on afterellen.com that she no longer identifies as bisexual. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed? 199.126.166.13 22:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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