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What is the big harm? The user has been on wikipedia only 1 day. It takes time to think of good editorial contributions. Some user have tons of AFD but few mainspace edits. Even their signature page is short. In fact, I'm going to go there and make some suggestions for them to edit, so let's not block now! WP6 00:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Collecting signatures is not productive but it's not harmful either. Leave them alone unless they start getting in the way of productive users. --bainer (talk) 01:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope they become productive editors. "What's the harm?" It's not a matter of having signature pages, the main issue is the use of Misplaced Pages solely for the purpose of socializing — which is addressed in in the WP:NOT policy. A welcome message, which included helpful links, as well as other suggestions on productivity were added to Eddymania7's talk page — which he deleted. Perhaps the recent, currently undeleted, suggestions will be read and taken to heart. "Preaching to the choir" — we are here to build an encyclopedia. — ERcheck (talk) 03:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Tony Spencer Hawk (talk · contribs) isnt it a misleading user name considering Tony Hawk has a son called Spencer. Gnangarra 04:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Whether or not the account needs to be posted at WP:UAA is the least of the problems here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 04:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Another — User:Planet Gran — is a new editor, appearing about the same time, with the same edit pattern. Identified himself as "Eddy". On the "Tony Hawk" name, I agree it is misleading. With the "Spencer" middle name, it might just be a fan... however, although not the exact given name of the famous Tony Hawk, it gives that appearance. — ERcheck (talk) 06:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
      • I just found this. — User:Tony Spencer Hawk is saying he is "Tony Hawk" and his son's name is Spencer. So, we either have the famous "Tony Hawk" or an imposter. — ERcheck (talk) 06:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have blocked the following accounts.

• Tony Spencer Hawk (talk · contribs)
• Planet Gran (talk · contribs)
• Phillip John Fry (talk · contribs)
• Eddymania7 (talk · contribs)
• Psyche 42 Dude (talk · contribs)

All of these accounts were operated by the same person, and as such its clear that they were never here to be used to constructively contribute. --Deskana (talk) 09:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Deskana, I'll keep my eye out for more, and alert you of them asap. — jacĸrм (talk) 16:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

He is not the real Tony Hawk. Trust me. I have some of his "fan" mail. The following cites are as shows: , , and it's obviously that they are all socks because one of the usernames, (I believe it's Phillip John Fry) somehow knew my usernames. Tony Spencer Hawk never really did contribute to his own profile, so, I should have reported him in the first place. But, I chose not to because I thought he was really the real Tony Hawk. So there you have it. -Goodshoped 02:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And he does have a son named Spencer. Either he got something against Tony Hawk or obsessed with him or something. Either way. -Goodshoped 02:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And I'll look for them, too, despite the fact that I'm not a sysop. -Goodshoped 02:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And I just found this. I don't believe that the Tony Hawk is a Tony Alva fan. I doubt it. -Goodshoped 02:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The lesson is clear: if you don't sign the chipoll, you hate kittens, and puppies, and bunnies, and et cetera! El_C 10:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

PalestinedRemembered

Based on my previous warnings with the user, and for the comments at . I recommend a short block of the user, as his mentor. Time period is up to yall. User:Zscout370 00:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocked 31 hours. Sorry I had to do it as your proxy. I'll leave a short note, but you can explain the reasoning more fully. I think that is long enough to give a lesson, but the attempt in the diff has some redeeeming qualities, so I am not willing to go a week. GRBerry 01:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That is not a problem if someone had to do it as proxy. Based on edit habits, he edits while I am at classes, etc. In future cases, if the user needs to be blocked for any reason whatsoever, all I ask is someone just tell me it occurred. I will not contest it. User:Zscout370 01:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I resign as his mentor, seeing I am not effective enough in dealing with this user. User:Zscout370 07:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• cough* I'm sorry to see you go. I had high hopes for you as his mentor. Kyaa the Catlord 07:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• I think this user is perhaps less reformable than was hoped. I don't think this is a failing on Zscout's part. Guy (Help!) 12:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Mentorships rarely succeed, in my experience. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• I agree it wasn't a failing on Zscout's side. He's been damn good as mentors go. Kyaa the Catlord 08:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Since Zscout has resigned this (and all his other) mentorship positions, there is no point in reinforcing Zscout's mentorship lessons. As such, my block is no longer preventative, and by policy needs to end, so I am undoing it. PR knows that we will attempt to make mentorship work. (Although I'd go further than Will; I'm not aware of any cases where mentorship has worked.)

PR has also emailed me explaining the reasons for the diff pointed out above. As I thought ("some redeeming qualities") the diff had a reasonable purpose - it was intended to move toward dispute resolution. I think Jaakobou and PR are likely to end up in front of ArbComm due to inability to resolve their dispute. As there have been before and continue to now be other similar complaints about J's behavior by editors in good standing, I fully expect him/her to end up sanctioned by ArbComm when that happens. GRBerry 21:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

And I have no issues with the unblock. User:Zscout370 02:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

'User:Dominique Blanc' stealth vandalism

I have warned at his user talk,(Dominique Blanc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) but issue seems serious with User:Jeffpw helping him out in his vandalism efforts. Normal vandalism is easy to fight out, rather joy to, but this sock-puppet vandalism(somebody pretending as new user) really hurts/pains. He changes cited urls to 404 links, which is long term agenda of removing perticular sentence. Please give a look at his talk page im helpless only because he is supported by another user User:Jeffpw Lara_bran 10:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

So we have accusations of sock puppetry, vandalism and a wiki conspiracy to thwart Lara bran in his or her edits. A quick look at the article history and talk page should show what's really going on. I have already contacted Alison about this situation, as she is the admin most familiar with Lara bran's editing pattern. Jeffpw 11:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, one might want to also check out the revision history of Greek love to see some of Lara's other encyclopedic edits. Jeffpw 11:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

And she has once again reverted on Pederasty to her own version, against the versionm which was achieved with consensus on the talk page. I do not want to even approach a 3rr, so ask that somebosy impartial look at it and revert if they think it's warranted. Jeffpw 11:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

While ignoring the content changes, there is some merit to the claims but whether it's vandalism or careless editing I'd not like to speculate. For example this edit does break links and removes ISBN numbers and on one occasion a page number. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Dominique Blanc is a new editor who is still learning about formatting. I assume good faith and think it was an honest mistake. Lara bran is an editor who has edit warred and wiki-lawyered on more than one article, and thinks s/he has a 3rr quota each day. S/he has a history of reverting incessantly on articles, in defiance of consensus and without discussion. S/he has been warned by many editors and admins alike. This post to ANI is both meritless and meretricious. Why Lara has not been blocked before this is beyond me. Oh, I forgot. S/he has. This is a new account after the last account s/he had was banned. Need I say more? Jeffpw 11:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I must say I simply sigh and buckle in for whatever the latest from user Lara Bran. Their language skills seems to change greatly whether seeking an admin to systematically justify whatever is needed ("im helpless") or wikilawyering. Please see Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Alice and editors being harrassed. or User:Vinay412. Benjiboi 11:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh look! Here's yet another sock of this user! I wonder how many more socks we will find if we dig hard enough. Jeffpw 12:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you please stop ad hominem arguments? I will appreciate if you talk to the matter, where clear attempt to vandalize sources of an article.. Lara_bran 13:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Dominique Blanc edits urls not just in this article, but also other related articles. It seems nothing but deliberate effort to vandalize. It clearly looks single purpose accounts for pederasty related articles. Dispute is certainly not for content, but vandalism of reliable source urls. Lara_bran 13:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Dominique has already replied on the article talk page and on my own page that he has had trouble before when formatting. He is working now to repair the refs. This situation is known to all regular editors on that article, and has been discussed. Nobody but Lara bran (who has contributed nothing but chaos to that article) has any concerns about Dominique's intentions. I will remind Lara once again to reread WP:AGF as well as WP:NPA. S/he seems to have forgotten these key guidelines and policies. Jeffpw 13:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Lara bran sock of banned user Vinay412

It should be noted Lara bran is not a "she" - "she" is an account of the indef banned User:Vinay412, himself a sock of indef banned user Kuntan - see User_talk:Lara_bran/Archive_1#Unblock, and . Lara bran/Vinay412/Kuntan was on a final warning already, but I see no reason not to block the Lara bran account given the current activity, and will do so fairly shortly. Neil ☎ 13:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you,. Neil. you have made editors too numerous to mention very happy with your post. Jeffpw 13:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Indef blocked. Kuntant/Vinay412/Lara bran was on a final chance, has clearly continued to edit disruptively, and is causing a great deal more harm than good. I have indefinitely blocked Lara bran (talk · contribs), and submit this block for review - please provide feedback. Neil ☎ 13:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring my faith in the system. :) --AliceJMarkham 13:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I expect that there will be continued pleading for unblocking of Lara bran (talk · contribs) on the basis that they are not the same person as Kuntan (talk · contribs). Lara bran has admitted repeatedly to being vinay412 (talk · contribs) but denied being Kuntan and I am inclined to believe that. I would request that any admin considering unblocking be aware that, even if they are completely unrelated to Kuntan, they have a disruptive record in their own right. As such, I would urge any admin considering such an unblock to familiarise themselves with the actions of vinay412 and his sock puppets. See also Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Vinay412 & Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Vinay412 (2nd). --AliceJMarkham 13:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Endorse block. Lara Bran has been phenomenally disruptive and members of Wikiproject LGBT are more than familiar with his tactics by now. 3rr-limit revert warring on the same articles and templates day after day. POV-pushing, a career of sock-puppetry, etc, etc - Alison 13:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs · logs)'s vandalism and slurs

I file a report regarding Sennen goroshi's abusive behaviors. He was once reported here due to his intentional slanders against User:Smoove K, the owner of Heart Corporation in order to avenge his friends on User:Smoove K. , , ,

Wiki is clearly not a place for him to work off his grudges, but he repeatedly does that when a conflict occurs with the other party. After being out of the ban for gaming a rule (techically, I didn't violate 3rr twice, and the first one has nothing to do with him Sennen goroshi framed), I really tried to keep it cool and avoided talking with him as possible as I can. If I talk with him one more time, I would burst out my pent-up feelings at him, so rather chose to follow the administrator's advice. Even though I couldn't sleep all night for it, and he still keeps provoking me to bounce back to his seemingly polite but scornful comments on these pages, , 01:31, 29 October 2007, 13:36, 28 October 2007

I could manage myself until seeing his vandalism on my talk page. (see below) I just wanted a fresh start and the page was too long, so made an achievement page without the block sign. But he doesn't seem satisfied with my block so revert my talk page to stir up my feeling again. This behavior is just another attempt to make me angry and is obviously from his malicious intent. I assume his repeated scorns to be regarded vandalism.

• 03:02, 29 October 2007
• 03:04, 29 October 2007
• 03:40, 29 October 2007
• 04:05, 29 October 2007

Until the late September, I've been mainly uploading and linking Korean-related images from Commons to English Wiki. After I saw his edit warring to label the Korean independent activist, Ahn Jung-geun as Korean terrorists. While disputing with him about one month ago, I had to put up with and saw so many insults and slurs from him. At that times, I was considering to report about him as following a sysop's advice, but didn't still get how to report it until another administrator let me know the way the day before yesterday. I also have avoided talking with him recently, but he has deep rooted grudge against me because of my support for this opponent when his own 3RR case was reported. You can see the detail story here.

However, due to my English ability of which Sennen goroshi has been always mocking, I know I couldn't explain well enough about the situations to sysops. Therefore, I chose to not to talk with him and yesterday was Sunday. I tried to let everything go but am not a saint capable of tolerating his very recent editing my talk page and insulting comments. Based on his edit history, as soon as creating a new account, he was reported by the offended other user. (the top above example). He obviously enjoy making a noise on controversial articles and pushing his own rule to others but that is even not consistent as you will see below.

When Melonbarmonster conflicted with Sennen goroshi and reported his 3RR violation about one month ago, I backed up Melonbarmonster because Sennen goroshi's making many people upset with his disruptive behaviors on Korean-related articles, such as Korean cuisine especially eating dog meat, Dokdo, Empress Myeongseong. At last, he got banned for 48 hours as the consequence of his behaviors. Even the administrator was strongly offended by his comment on rape which caused him to be block for more than 24 hours. . But far from reflecting his own faults, he blamed me for the result and made a mock of me again. Please take a look at the other examples

• History Korean cuisine Korean cuisine, Korean eating "cute puppy flesh",
• Animal_cruelty of Kim Ki-duk Kim Ki-duk

• Disruptive JPOV edits and deleting cited photos that I uploaded onto Empress Myeongseong. The warrant states "murderers", and if the term made him so troubled why he didn't change the term instead of simply removing the cited sources on which he previously insisted?

01:40, 3 October 2007 added pictures by me

04:47, 3 October 2007 removed pictures by Sennen goroshi

04:49, 3 October 2007 removed pictures by Sennen goroshi

05:30, 3 October 2007 tempering infos by Sennen goroshi

05:41, 3 October 2007 tempering infos by Sennen goroshi

Aside from these examples, I and many Koreans have been horribly insulted by Sennen goroshi's personal and racial slurs like the examples below

Besides, both I and Sennen goroshi are participating in the Dokdo article which is listed as a lamest edit wars between Korea and Japan. Now Sennen goroshi has to deal with more than 3 people regarding the alphabetical order of the nations , , , so he wants to divert my attention from the article and work off his grudge. He even stalks me as follows my contribution history. Special:Contributions/Sennen_goroshi, .

In the below cases, none reported his breaking the 3RR rule at that times.

User:Sennen goroshi's unreported 3RR violation Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• An Jung-geun :Previous version

• 1st revert 19:00, 2 September 2007
• 2nd revert 04:37, 3 September 2007
• 3rd revert 04:56, 3 September 2007
• 4th revert 15:14, 3 September 2007
• 5th revert 15:45, 3 September 2007
• 6th revert 17:44, 3 September 2007

I admit that this report is way too long but there are much more examples. I hope nobody gets offended by Sennen goroshi's disruptive behaviors anymore. Thanks. --Appletrees 11:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed this is too long, and I doubt anyone will go through the trouble of sifting through the diffs, especially of stale 3RR reports which don't belong here. That said, some of the comments are clear violations of Misplaced Pages's policies on civility, such as those mocking Appletrees' English and intellect, or the pair of rape comments. Perhaps a harshly worded comment or even a short block would help Sennen goroshi understand the principle of "comment on content, not contributors", though I'm not convinced that Appletees has the best understanding either. Regardless of what happens, I suggest that you (Appletree) just don't allow yourself to take part in such unconstructive communication in the future so as to avoid the problems. Tewfik 12:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

So basically I'm guilty of putting comments on the Heart article, within my first week or 2 of editing wikipedia,

making a few comments regarding his lack of English ability, which were countered with comments along the lines of

You're the more qualified person on English than me? Who judges that? You with making major mistake? I only mentioned your flaws among the bunch you've made. That are not the minor mistakes. Even 5th grade students in Korea know that grammar. Somehow, I try to understand your struggles and excuses via the fact that Japanese get the lowest score on TOEFL exam in Asia. If you really were an English teacher, I concern about the future of your students. You're certainly not teaching English to native people, so "small mistakes" can possibly be understood. Besides the Ph.D students(candidates are more accurate) of yours doesn't mean that you have the degree.

so not only does my English suck, but that is in some way linked to the English of all Japanese people sucking.hmmmm

I also has this little gem added to my talk page by Appletrees

I can' tolerate your impudence any more. You keep insulting me with your dirty mean tongue. Stupid? I think you can't see any context in my comments. You are the meanest and pathetic person in the world I've encountered in my life. I pity you. If you have graduated from any university in the US (I highly doubt you even graduated any college anywhere, because educated men can't be shallow just like you!), you would be required to take several humanistic and social science classes. Did you ever take any class in which Japanese war crimes would be understood among the international society? haha, even students from Japan said they felt shame of their ancestors because they didn't know and just learned with hugely edited textbooks. But you keep denying your origin and then that's making to look you stupid. You might be a Japanese-somewhere citizen. So what? You've produced offensive destructions on Korean-related articles and overly defended cruel Japanese war crime. In addition, you don't have any plausible arguments, then you choose to attack me with personal abuse that shows your true nature. Your English have been not near eloquence but close silliness and shallowness. So dream on! --Appletrees 09:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

oh and add to that some weird comments about 'death curse' 'rape' and 'hitler'

I will be the first to admit, that I can have a less than friendly attitude when someone is being a pain in the ass, and if these comments were made by someone who didn't have a major chip on their shoulder re. Korea = Good. Japan = Bad. therefore if you don't love Korea, and hate Japan you = Bad. then I might care a little more. However this complaint has been made by someone who just got off a block for edit-warring, due to a report made by me. It is obvious what his motivation is. It is also obvious that any edit I make saying for example that someone Korean who killed someone Japanese is a murderer, is going to be met by his Korean nationalistic pride, and his assumption that I am insulting him personally due to his nationality.

In short, 3 points. 1. This report was made by someone who is upset, due to a block that was the result of a report made by me. 2. I was not the sweetest editor in the world, but my attitude was hardly screaming insults, and was more than matched by his attitude. 3. The user who has reported me, seems to take offence to any comment that does not agree with his POV, and will consider my edits to be insults until I say something along the lines of "Japanese people are evil bastards, and Japan belongs to Korea"

I feel annoyed that I have had to waste my precious time, typing a response - thank you if you managed to get to the end of this..Sennen goroshi 13:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Tewfik. I am forced to agree with you, I have not been the most civil of people, however the comments regarding his English ability, were more than balanced by his comments saying that my English was awful due to his assumption that Japanese people are basically poor at English (due to my name he assumed that I was Japanese and made comments based on that assumption) The comments regarding rape are a non-issue - I made one comment regarding rape, in a talk page, of an article not connected with this user, that was an off-colour joke - an admin saw it, busted my ass, and block me for 48hrs. That is old history, the other comment regarding rape, was not an insult, an accusation or anything negative, I was drawing a parallel in order to get my point across, if appletrees can't work out what I was trying to say, then I'm really sorry, but I don't see why I should be held responsible for a user who gets offended due to his misunderstanding of what I typed.Sennen goroshi 13:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Calm down, Sennen goroshi. As I mentioned like "Yesterday was Sunday", I implied enough to be myself a Christian so "REALLY" tried to forget or forgive what you've done to me for 1 month. If you didn't dare to revert my talk page several times yesterday, I would not need to suffer you here any more. The reverts and harsh, scornful, and teasing comments on MY TALK PAGE are worst to abandon any hope that you could be a constructive editor in a near future. You just wanted to insult me for your own sake. I didn't say "suck" or 'stupid' like you did to me. You firstly mentioned a "Racist", You firstly mention "Hitler", You firstly mention "Threat", You firstly mentioned MY ENGLISH and Stupidness, even "NOT TO STOP BREATHING" which is obviously a curse.

You have to blame your own action, not me. Why did you stalk me and attack me right after my ban was out? Besides, why don't you forget to add the time infos, which are very critical. Don't cover things up. You started mocking me with your 'special languages'. My English can be your excuse at all. You're the one to draw this invisible editors just like me at the first place in English wiki What about the second frame in which your another victim, User talk:Ledtim was overly insulted by YOU? Please don't frame me with your tactic any more. Enough is Enough. I haven' said or implied that Japanese are bad as you imagine. I don't intimidate with Japanese POV pushers of course including you as I used to say to you. You're acting like a god to judge Koreans and Japanese. I have very good Japanese friends. Your behaviors do not harm my thought of them. You're just you being always like you. You feel annoyed? Why don't you think I CAN be annoyed by your personal attacks and insults? I have discussed two more Japanese editors on my talk page, but they didn't act like you. Even though consensus didn't reach to any further, they were all civil unlike you. Like you alway suggest your opponent to get a life instead of editing, why do you do that first? If so, I will really appreciate you from the first time to forever. But before that you need to deserve what you have done. Take care! --Appletrees 13:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that the only realistic method of resolving this is to prevent both parties from coming into contact with one another. Perhaps we could look at some sort of agreement between the users, not to edit within one another's vicinity, and each to refrain from entering into contact with the other - after all, both have clearly demonstrated over and over that they cannot work constructively together. However, I'm anxious that each are not restricted in contributing to Misplaced Pages; after all, we loose enough potential reformers through blocks and bans as it is. Nevertheless, we must consider the fundamental question of whether the benefit from allowing these two to edit without restriction outweighs the benefit from carefully refined contributions from the two, and furthermore whether the greater benefit would lie in their presence or absence here. Anthøny 20:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Decreasing the opportunities for friction would certainly solve the problem, but I'm not sure what kind of a practical arrangement could be worked out when they seem to share a common interest. Do the two of you think that you could try to avoid each other, and keep any conversation (or comments to third parties for that matter) extremely limited just to the content at hand, without any discussion of each other, your nationalities, or alleged motivations? Tewfik 02:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think there is a lot of friction on the articles relating to Japan and Korea and there always will be, if Appletrees and I are not arguing, it will be someone else. I am more than willing to tone down the less that polite comments of mine, and concentrate on the edits. However while Appletrees might be justified in taking offence to comments relating to him personally, he needs to stop taking offence to edits that he does not agree with. There will always be disagreements relating to the Korea/Japan articles, and the only things we can strive for is absolute NPOV, cited facts, consensus and consistancy. If an edit which I do not agree with, falls within the above four, then I have no issue with it, I will however have an issue with every edit that does not a totally Korean POV being whined about with claims of Japanese POV and racism. I am stubborn, and I do react badly to what I consider to be stupidity - but when someone shows me that something is cited/backed up with consensus/etc, I am more than willing to lose my stubborness and accept their edit. With the following comment, I am trying to stay within the boundaries of civility, so I will choose my words carefully - Appletrees does not have the best English ability in the world, which is OK, he is not a native speaker and his level of English ability is higher than my ability in my second language - but he has misunderstand my comments in the past, at no time did I wish death on anyone, I really don't care enough about wikipedia, to wish anyone dead. Also he seems very emotional, I've never lost sleep or become emotional regarding wikipedia, this might be easier for both of us, if he was to lose a little (or all) of his emotion when editing and responding to edits.

I will be stubborn if I don't agree with an edit, I will change something to what I consider to be correct, I will react if someone accuses me of pushing my POV - the other side of the coin is that I will react well to compromise, civility, consensus and facts. I do not wish to see Appletrees restricted from editing, he obviously has something to offer, and so do I, and sometimes you need two opposing opinions to achieve the correct result.Sennen goroshi 02:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I only want a justice and fairness under the same rule with which I was blocked by Anthony. Please don't forget that Sennen gorosh was once scarcely saved from getting any punishment except a slight warning when the first complaint was reported. This is the second report that he has violated WP:Civil. If he does not get any punishment again , I might have a very regretful thoughts of wiki being biased. I deserved what I did in this community, so should he. Besides, he did such the disruptive behaviors not only to me, but also at least to two more people in the report.

Regarding further possible conflicts with him in future, you don't need to worry. As I've been almost successfully avoiding him to discuss mutual interests for a month except the very recent revert warring with him. He took advantage of using a rule, so intentionally provocated me. With the painful lesson of how people can bear such the horrifying grudges for a long time and wait for a right moment to frame and then revenge as they wish. Therefore, I WILL completely ignore him anywhere anytime after this report, even if we unfortunately encounter on the same spot again, that will not be a much trouble for me. We can be invisible people for each other because there is no respect but painful disruption. Besides, he has a tendency to have a profound knowledge of the Japanese Empire and terms like "killing", "murder", "assassin" regardless of nationality, and thankfully I have no interest in the field.

In addition, I have to express several regrets for my block on the three thing. First, when I was suddenly blocked, I didn't even get informed for anyone regarding my 2nd report. Second, I was so humiliated by the much larger and so cruelly vivid red block sign compared to when others got blocked. Theirs were not noticeable but mine was. Wiki is also a community, and I care how my frequent visitors think of me when I got blocked. I think Anthony didn't care how the big and red block sign can give me a stress. But that might be one of formalities to represent the waring among the bunch, so I have to blame myself foolishly to be trapped by Sennen goroshi. Three, as Sennen goroshi had a mock of the block and brushed up my old pages to only view the block warning after I just got off the hook, I have so convinced that he is so cruel to do such behaviors. When he got blocked, I didn't give any speech about the case or mock unlike him. His behavior is just like shooting twice to assure whether his enemy really is dead or not. He has humiliated and insulted me more than enough!

As for the absurd frame like gaming a rule, if I knew enough of such the tactic, I already reported on his behaviors and Ahn Jung-geun case one month ago. I believed that only relevant people to have involved in an article can report 3RR, therefore, I got punched by him out of nowhere with the matter already being meditated. And then the reverting on the Bungeobbang, Sennen goroshi reported so so quickly. His the one who objected to my edit on the page, so had to explain the reason first without his own NPOV card. After filing the first report, his reverting my edit is just stalking.

I see that you archived your talk page, but when you did so, you must have deleted the talk regarding your ban, by accident. I assume it was an accident, because I'm sure that you realise that removing an admin's comments from your page, especially comments regarding bans, 3RR, edit warring, etc would not really be acceptable, because if you did anything else that required an admin's attention, the admin would be unaware of the previous comments made by the admin who banned you, and the admin who declined your appeal to have the ban removed. Sorry to be a pain, I just thought it would be best if someone put this back for you. thanks Sennen goroshi 03:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If you consider the "YOU ARE BANNED" message to be a little embarrassing, why not move it to your archive, where all your other old talk page items are? That might be a little better than causing it to be hidden, by (accidental?) deletion.Sennen goroshi 03:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why you are so determined to hide those comments in the first place. You went to the trouble of archiving your talk page, but when you did that, you chose to delete the comments made to you by the admins, regarding 3rr, blocks and edit-warring. Why was that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sennen goroshi (talk • contribs) 04:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If Sennen goroshi has not reverted my talk page and added so kind comments like the above, I really might've managed to forget his reports on me twice and other malicious slurs. But after seeing this, I can NEVER compromise myself again. He doesn't have any right to humiliate me and bully about my deletion whatsoever, because He has hided and erased his talk pages so many times and doesn't have any authorship of my talk page. If I have not filed a report, there would be another bloody mass just for me because of my non-native language. I strongly suggest that he should be blocked for at least a day to reflect on his conducts in the light of all these evidences. Thanks. --Appletrees 04:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

User:OrbitzWWCorpComm

This seems like a special case, it's the "official" wikipedia account of one of the biggest websites in the world. I looked though the edits and it seems like it's only one user and that he understands the WP:COI policies. I'm willing to WP:AGF and unblock. Any objections. Jbeach 17:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Just a couple of caveats... If Mr. Hoyt is willing to submit an email to a trusted member of the community, from his corporate email account, affirming his identity and confirming that he will be the only one editing from this account, then I don't see a problem here. I'd rather see a corporate editor editing from a known account per the notes lined out on the user page than have them trying to do it on the sly. In a lot of ways this should be the model for how we interact with corporate entities (minus the unfortunate block of the account of course). This would be better as the norm than as a special case.--Isotope23 17:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the unblock, it makes a change to see a user from a company who is willing to follow the correct policies, and this user seems to have no intention of trying to push POV or bias across, indeed they seem to be quite the opposite. I would recommend getting them to email from their company email account to confirm who they are though. I get the feeling that we are gonna start getting more and cases like this, where people's roles within a company specifically involves maintaining a wikipedia presence.--Jac16888 17:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the unblock (and the undeletion of the user page). Perhaps it could be suggested that the account be renamed to be that of a nickname Mr. Hoyt selects? Perhaps we need to revisit WP:ROLE? But it does seem like this sort of principled editing approach, pledging to stay to the talk pages and provide sources to avoid COI, is exactly what we want to promote. Would that more PR departments took this approach rather than on the sly. ++Lar: t/c 17:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

As the blocking admin, I have no objections to the unblock provided that it's clear only one person is behind the account, regardless of whether or not it's renamed. -Jéské 02:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• I oppose the unblock because this looks like a role account. Additionally, I have reason to believe this user is acting in concert with a banned user. Orbitz can easily register a new account that doesn't use a corporate name. - Jehochman 17:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I think perhaps someone just latched onto this at WR as a way to get some shots in at the WMF. But perhaps you have information that is not public? ++Lar: t/c 17:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I have information that is not public. Strongly urge not unblocking. Role accounts could invalidate our GFDL licensing. This is a technical/legal requirement, not something that should be decided by anybody except Misplaced Pages's legal counsel. - Jehochman 18:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
      • If you've got information that you are willing to share offline via email, I'd like to see it. I've been digging around and I came to the same conclusion Lar did.--Isotope23 18:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Email me. - Jehochman 18:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
          • Sent. ++Lar: t/c 19:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

We generally block all role accounts. We get dozens a day. I do think that the way we deal with them needs to be revisited though as we ask them to rename which drives them underground. Secretlondon 17:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• Thus my caveat above that the primary named editor confirms he is the only one using this account. I think Secretlondon (talk · contribs) is correct; the way we currently deal with this just drives editors to work below the surface, so to speak.--Isotope23 18:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't take this the wrong way, but the letter you are asking for, are you qualified to make a legal determination about that letter being sufficient? Are you going to keep that letter for years on file and make it available if there's a copyright dispute in the distant future? This sort of thing needs to be handled by the WikiMedia office, not us volunteers. - Jehochman 18:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Absolutely not. I would/should not be making those types of determinations. What I'm talking about narrowly, is that if someone asserts their identity as a representative of a company and commits to editing within the boundaries of policy, we should let them. One of the caveats I should have mentioned above was that the username needs to be changed as well per Jehochman's point on copyright... but that is why we discuss stuff rather than run off half-cocked and take action eh?--Isotope23 18:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Perfect. If the username is changed to something that doesn't suggest it being a role account, I have no objection to unblocking. - Jehochman 18:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
• Role accounts are blocked. This is not a special case. The only special case is User:Schwartz PR. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

IANAL, but ... the "keeping the letter" part is a non issue. The way to save a "letter" around here is to ask that it be sent to OTRS. Then when it is received, put the OTRS ticket number on the user page. That should suffice (unless we lose OTRS) for this sort of thing just as it does for copyright permissions. I have an OTRS ID and will be happy to go find the ticket number once the email is sent, given enough info to find it, like what email addy it came from. (if this isn't any good because we lose OTRS, we are in big trouble anyway as we have thousands of copyright permissions on file there)... As for the role account thing, maybe we do need to revisit it. I don't quite see why Schwartz PR gets a pass just because they are OUR pr firm. Trying to think out of the box here... What if this account identifies the names of the people behind it? Again, if worst comes to worst, rename the account to an ID of Mr. Hoyt's choice, and require that only Mr. Hoyt edit with it. Other OrbitzPR people can later edit with different accounts and they can all tag their accounts as being related to each other (hey, a use for userboxes!). But I very MUCH do not want to discourage corps editing if they abide by the COI guidelines, I want to encourage that. ++Lar: t/c 19:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

These are all good ideas, but this crosses into legal territory which is not for us to decide. I don't want to discourage constructive participation by corporate editors. Better to have them above board than sneaking around, but we need to involve the lawyers to change how we handle role accounts. - Jehochman 19:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Let's not change policy ad hoc. If we need to get Mike Godwin involved, lets. But I suggest we figure out what we as a community WANT to do first, and then ask him so he can make the best use of his precious time. For now, for this account, it should be renamed to not be a role account, and then unblocked (or abandoned and a new account created in one user's name). If there later is a policy, a new account can be created (or this one reactivated). My point about the letter was that the retention bit was a non issue. We have a system for that, m:OTRS. ++Lar: t/c 20:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

OK so where does this get discussed? WP:ROLE and the talk page lead to somewhat dusty and not very used Meta pages. ++Lar: t/c 20:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

How about the Misplaced Pages:Village pump policy section? - Jehochman 20:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

rhetoric page

I'm not sure if this is the right place to report this--sorry but I'm new to this. I was reading the page titled "rhetoric" and I saw that one of the paragraph headings is called "i love him, suck it", which doesn't seem to belong there! Also, the first sentence of that paragraph begins with an exclamation mark and seems to be missing some information, as the sentence doesn't make sense. This is what it says: "! as the medium through which political and judicial decisions were made, and through which philosophical ideas were developed and disseminated." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realmetimesthree (talk • contribs) 17:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Simple vandalism. Reverted. IrishGuy 17:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You can find out how to deal with vandalism here: Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Should this edit be reversed?

66.23.224.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) just replaced most of Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/66.23.224.223 with a request for courtesy blanking. If this was a user page, I would say it's his/her prerogative, but this is in Misplaced Pages space. On the other hand, we courtesy blank things like AfDs and this user has said he/she is leaving the project.

Popperian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) acknowledged using the 66.23.224.223 account which led to the original sock puppet report. That account was created after the AutoNOC article edited by 66.23.224.223 was deleted. Popperian then nominated close to 20 articles about competitors for deletion in a fit of pointiness. (These AfDs were speedy deleted; some have been reinitiated on a more methodical basis by established editors).

There's also this deletion of WP:COI/N content that should be considered for reversion.

Popperian/66.23.224.223's tenure here was tediuous and unpleasant both for Popperian/66.23.224.223 and our regular editors:

• Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/66.23.224.223 (older version)
• User talk:Popperian (older version)
• User talk:66.23.224.223 (older version)
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/AutoNOC (older version)
  • AfD was subsequently courtesy blanked
• Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#AutoNOC (older version)

What do others think?

Thanks for your advice, --18:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Just to note, there was a thread started on WP:AN asking for the Popperian account to be deleted. Looks like a number of courtesy blankings have been done, but I would kind of question courtesy blanking of an SSP page, myself. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

202.1.164.254 (talk)

I am asking for this user to be banned or some action to be taken. He/ she has not only used offensive language against me but has prior acts of vandalism, which can be seen on his/ her talk page. He/ she left this comment for me on Talk:Bestial Warlust:

"What a sad fuck, do you really check your little claims to fame to make sure that they're still there every day? Piss poor article, I'm hoping that it's by a 15 year old kid, otherwise everyone should be embarrassed. Article should nominated for deletion again, or better yet, I think that I'll rewrite it myself sometime. DSO."

I would appreciate swift justice.Navnløs 18:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It would seem the IP who left that comment was actually 202.1.168.129 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), not 202.1.164.254 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). The user shows some definite trollish tendencies, but I don't think s/he qualifies for a block, at least not yet. I'll leave a warning against personal attacks on the IP's userpage, and if the problem behavior continues, then a better decision can be made as to whether or not a block should be issued. I've left a 4im-level warning, as this seems to be the user's primary mode of communicating even useful things on Talk pages, and that kind of bullshit should be nipped in the bud. A second opinion is welcome. The two IPs seem to be the same person in the Solomon Islands; the first is his or her current IP, the second seems to no longer be assigned to the user. --Dynaflow babble 18:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Run of the mill trolling from the looks of it. They've been warned. If it continues, report it to WP:AIV. Otherwise, just ignore the individual.--Isotope23 18:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for your decisive and quick actions. If it continues I will speak with one of you again. Navnløs 18:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Spam Only Account

Special:Contributions/Sarah_stallwood. Looks like this user only contribs have been trying to get her company their own page. SashaCall /_(Talk!) 18:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems she is working through the New Article Creation page. I see no harm at this point as she has not actually created a mainspace article yet. It is unclear to me that the article would be spam if properly written although that remains to be seen. JodyB _{Roll, Tide, Roll} 18:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

People with a COI are encouraged to use the New-Article-Request page to have an article written. It's better to be able to work with them then try to fight them. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It might be nice if somebody actually told her on her Talk page what the problem is. Corvus cornix 18:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah. I see that User:Bfigura has done that. Corvus cornix 18:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Please be especially nice to COI editors who try to comply with policy by disclosing their interest and working with the community via talk pages, WikiProjects and the new article request page. - Jehochman 18:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Hopefully the autobio warning wasn't too bitey. --Bfigura 18:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The issue I'd have with the template warning is that it doesn't quite "fit". It essentially urges this user to not do something they're already not doing, and to do something they are already doing... some hand crafted text afterwards acknowledging that they are indeed complying with the guidelines and thanking them for that might have been a good add on. As for the article decline... I don't know that page's norms very well but the topic seems notable enough. The material this user provided would form a good basis for research into the topic, but there was enough there already for a stub. Is the way that page works that we expect requestors to write fully and correctly formed articles, or just to request that a volunteer do so? I thought the latter although WP:AFC isn't precise on the point. That's not to say that if no volunteer wants to that someone has a right to an article. I strongly agree with Jehochman about this, let's encourage good behaviour so over time we get more of it, and this user's behaviour is far better than most SPAs... ++Lar: t/c 11:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Penn State Professors

It looks like we've got a group of Penn State faculty who think an awful lot of themselves and their organizations. They've been on a bit of a self-serving article creation spree these last few days. I don't think it's appropriate to delete them out of hand, but I'm wondering, should I list them in a single AfD or nominate them individually? Asterisk indicates already nominated(*) by me or others. Other editors have flagged some of these for notability. Here's the list:

• Christopher Hoadley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• International Society of the Learning Sciences (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Brian K. Smith‎ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• International Conference of the Learning Sciences (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Prasenjit Mitra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)*
• John W. Bagby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Steve B. Sawyer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Guoray Cai (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• John M. Carroll (information scientist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Jim Jansen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Dongwon Lee (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Carleen Maitland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Madhu Reddy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Frank Ritter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Mary Beth Rosson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• James Z. Wang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)*
• John Yen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Rklawton 19:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I added additional links that may be useful. --Ali'i 19:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd list them individually and note possible COI and votestacking as it occurs (and reviewing the existing AFDs I think it will).--Isotope23 19:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I agree; professors at the same university could very easily have wildly varying merits towards notability. Unlike, say, several people whose only possible claim to such is being in the same band. Someguy1221 20:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak to the others, but Jack Carroll (John M. Carroll (information scientist)) is very well known and widely cited in the related fields of HCI and technical writing (would that he was paid more attention), an article for whom was on my to-do list. The user who contributed that (Bobdoyle (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)) did a bunch of work in technical-writing related articles (not Carroll-centric, as far as I can see) and I don't think had anything to do with the other Penn profs. So, to the extent that there is or may be the pro-Penn-push you describe, I don't believe the Carroll article is related. So to answer your actual question - nominate individually. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

On checking the contrib histories of many of the very recently submitted articles most (not Carroll or John Yen) were submitted by users who only worked on that one article. This looks like a classic class assignment scenario. Rklawton: do you have any actual evidence, bar your own supposition, that this isn't over-eager students but rather "a group of Penn State faculty who think an awful lot of themselves and their organizations" as you claim? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Some. If you check Mitra's AfD page, you'll see one of his peers defending his article. He also created the Society article. However, you raise a good point. Some of the newly created accounts look more like student accounts. I didn't check to see if any of these were copy/paste jobs from the PSU website, but they might be. Rklawton 20:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The wild assertion that PSU professors have "been on a bit of a self-serving article creation spree these last few days" clearly lacks any sound evidence (beyond the single case) as McWalter accurately points out. Regarding the multiple entries: as a commenter noted on the James Z. Wang board "Articles should not be removed because they were created by interested parties, they should be deleted because they are non-notable, and I think this guy is notable enough". I wrote the initial draft of the John Bagby article and am merely an interested student in his work - the claim of a rampant self-serving wikipedia rush by PSU professors is a bit premature. treypsu 00:06, 30 October (UTC)

I have examined many of the articles, --not all--and the ones I have examined are clearly written to a formula. A paragraph about their prior degrees and schools, which is fine, a rather gushy paragraph about their work, which needs removal of adjectives, a list of the most important journal titles they have contributed to, which is not customary content here, references to some important papers and books, which would certainly be fine if it a/did not contain too many papers, b/ was not repeated several times in the article, a mention of some that are very highly cited, also fine, except they do not give a source for this (the usual one of course is web of Science) then a list of usually non-notable awards, and finally some external links miscalled references. The wording is very similar in detail for at least some of the articles. I assume it is a specific project. I assume this in particular because they are not PSU profs in general, but rather all or almost all from the school of information science --Some of them have made comments to me, and I have replied as you can see by my comments on my talk page. I decline to judge whether it is one person editing under multiple names, or a coordinated effort.

As mentioned above, some are unquestionably notable , and even the associate professors are some of them very probably notable, so I don't think immediate AFDs are in order. There is after all no rule against COI--though when it occurs to this extent it is certainly a nuisance straightening it out. I have the name of the public relations people at the College there, and I intend to speak to them tomorrow directly to explain why this approach was not a good idea. I have done this for several academic departments and schools within universities already, and gotten good results about 2/3 of the time. (I think I know how to get their attention effectively) My approach to this is based on Durova's, as taught to me by her splendid WP:BFAQ. Perhaps we should try doing a somewhat more specialized one, as this sort of situation recurrs every month or two. . I'll report back here after I speak to people at the college tomorrow. DGG (talk) 08:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That sounds like a very useful approach. Rklawton 13:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:BFAQ is indeed fine (mentioned again so it's linked :) ... Say DGG, would you consider writing up your approach, and what you do that seems to work well? Possibly with some sample letters? We have boilerplate letters for other things (notably asking for permissions) which are helpful.. ++Lar: t/c 15:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC).

Where these are coming from: Just found this page. The posts are all students in my class--I asked them to find notable people in information sciences and write them up, with links to relevant disciplines, theories, concepts, and key software (such as citeseer) and was planning to assign additional posts to work on key theories and concepts in information sciences. There is no marketing agenda here, and the students are selecting the topics of their bios. They were due Monday, and students are required to make comments on each others' postings and try to improve them. I'm open to whatever people think will improve the situation, but honestly I have to say I'm pretty floored by this discussion. The intent was to get students involved in building out what is a weak area in wikipedia, try to do substantive linking among the theories and disciplines that constitute ischools where they would have to learn something, and to get feedback from the world and not just me or one or two peers. Personally, I don't think all their pages are particularly good but they seem like honest first attempts and was looking forward to improving them. Instead, I get the impression that some people think COI means you can never write about institutions, people, or ideas you know well, or else you're presumed to have an agenda, that people assume the worst possible motives, and that recruiting people to contribute to wikipedia and debate each others' articles is likely to be labelled votestacking. I had all of them read the About, the Contributing to Misplaced Pages article, First steps article, New contributors help page article, and What wikipedia is not, plus three articles I thought would be useful models: Barry Wellman, Don Norman, and Bonnie Nardi (i.e., dozens of pages of material as prepwork.) I'm not a wikipedia longtimer or regular contributor, and so perhaps these were not the ideal pages to suggest, but if the goal is to recruit content creators, things have to be simpler (or at least more cordial). I'm late for class now, and may not be able to log in until tomorrow, but suggestions are welcomed. Worst case, I'll have them blank all the pages and we'll take our coursework elsewhere, but I thought this was going to be win-win. So much for 'be bold'. Cmhoadley 16:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone meant to accuse you or your students of anything; the sudden appearance of so many articles, all from Penn State and all about PSU-related topics, just seemed like a sudden attempt at self-promotion from members of the faculty. While I'm not an admin, nor do I even claim to be anywhere NEAR fully up to date on Wiki policies, I don't believe there's a major problem here. However, perhaps you should recommend that your students create Misplaced Pages accounts (if they don't already have them) and that each one should create and edit his article in his account's User: space instead of Misplaced Pages mainspace? From what I've seen, developing a prototype of a new article and getting it up to the basic Wiki standards is considered an appropriate use of User: space. (It also, if you give a similar assignment to another class in the future, probably result in far less chance of overreaction on the part of other Wiki users who see the sudden arrival of all the new pages.) Rdfox 76 17:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe more visibility is needed for Misplaced Pages:School and university projects. There also is a template for marking articles. (SEWilco 18:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC))

Need semiprotection

There are several vandals going after the Cro-Magnon article this afternoon, from different IP addresses. Seems like a coordinated attack -- a group of kids having a good time. Would be great if it could be semiprotected. I don't have time to watch over the article. Thanks! TimidGuy 20:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 5 days, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. - main culprit now blocked - Alison 20:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! TimidGuy 11:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Useruser1x

Single-purpose account, spamming United Nation of Islam. Ignoring warnings, refusing to listen to reason, and insulting editors who remove the offending material. Has spammed the page 4 times in the last 24 hours. When I logged on this morning, I issued a warning for WP:3RR violation. Useruser1x has also claimed to be taking the matter to ArbCom, but has not filed the appropriate forms. I have also informed Useruser1x of the probable rejection of the matter by ArbCom. Michaelbusch 20:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have become involved as I originally semi-protected the page several days back when the article originally had POV additions made by anons, and am now listed as a "party" in this ArbCom "request". I have also become extremely busy in real life and have not been able to look at this. Would a uninvolved Admin who has some time available take a look at Talk:United Nation of Islam and see what's up? My impression is that User:Useruser1x is a novice-ish user who wants to add POV to the article and does not understand how edit within Misplaced Pages's guidelines, however I have not looked into things deeply recently. -- Flyguy649 21:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I have also informed User:Useruser1x of this thread. -- Flyguy649 22:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think there's more to the history of United Nation of Islam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) than what's mentioned here. I asked User:Masonuc back in mid-September why he made this edit claiming that Royall Elliot Jenkins is "borderline illiterate and unable to speak clearly or intelligently." (That sort of thing violates WP:BLP. Masonuc answered saying, "You cannot allow this cult to advertise freely on wikipedia without a thoughtful, neutral position." Masonuc later retracted those claims and replaced them with something more neutral, although this edit at User talk:Useruser1x still looks rather libelous. I think there's a slow edit war going on between Masonuc (talk · contribs) and Useruser1x (talk · contribs), and I'm not even sure what the "correct" version of the page is. The edit war appears to have started with this edit in mid-August, so neither of them look exactly like new editors. Most of the article isn't supported by reliable sources anyway (which is no surprise). Neither Masonuc nor Useruser1x has actually discussed the issue. I wouldn't be surprised if this issue actually has to go to arbitration. --Elkman 22:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Elkman is correct that Masonuc also has a problem on this article. I've had to issue repeated warnings about breaching WP:CIVILITY and making personal attacks (anything further and I'll ask for a short block for Masonuc). I also started watching this article when an anon was blanking the page, and have got to feeling that I am caught between two fires. Re. them being new editors: the dispute may have been going for several months, but Useruser1x hasn't been editing anything other than UNOI, and so may have remained unaware of the rules of Misplaced Pages until recently. Masonuc also seems to have an axe to grind, but has done some editing outside this particular page. Michaelbusch 23:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I also am very much annoyed by Useruser1x's continued accusations that I am fabricating information in this article, when all I have done is to cite external sources, including UNOI itself. I must also exclude myself from further deliberations, as I fear that my neutrality has been compromised by Useruser1x's continued insults (see Talk:United Nation of Islam). Michaelbusch 04:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Elkman , I have not discussed this matter with Masonuc because he has offered very little participation on the UNOI discussion page. Also Michaelbush has commandeered the United Nation of Islam article and has incorporated his edits with those of Masonuc. Since Michaelbush’s first edit on United Nation of Islam’s article on October 17, 2007; Michaelbush has made 41 edits to the United Nation of Islam article, I made 10 edits and Masonuc has made 7. UNOI history page.

I am advocating a non-bias article with multiple major news and business journal citations which includes but is not limited to the Christian Science Monitor, Kansas City Business Journal, Kansas City Star, Kansas City Kansan, Associated Press etc. I have found approximately 50 such articles and used many of them (20) in the article. Here is the link to the article.

Here are the diffs between Masonuc and Michaelbush’s version. Michaelbush’s version is heavily referenced from one (1) tabloid style reference and according to him it is also a bias article. Even after admitting that his primary source is bias, he also has disregarded approximately 50 non-bias references. In addition to that, I have listed several examples of non-factual content in Michaelbush’s version and he still to this day ignores the evidence that supports the non-factual nature of his article. I am not against adding controversy to the article however I am against the blatant un-factual nature of Masonuc and Michaelbush’s combined version; the overbearingly negative tone (because of his heavy use of one tabloid style reference unbalanced by majority non-bias references apx(50)) and his reluctance to dialogue concerning the blatant errors in their version .

My first edits to the United Nation of Islam article were saturated with explanations of content. I have since continued to edit the article to remove them and consequently remove any concerns of POV or Advert. It is a work in progress.

I recommend that everyone review Talk:United Nation of Islam). Useruser1x 06:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring over user name

Looks like an editor wants to delete a user account that is using his real name per WP:VANISH, but others are objecting to it (see here). Thanks Taprobanus 21:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Could we keep it in the category, but remove the notice? Would that work? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 21:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what is the rationale for removing the notice. That account was a confirmed sockpuppet and has been blocked indefinetely. So that notice, in all relevance, must stay there. WP:VANISH doesn't support removing indef block templates.

Please refer Right_to_vanish meta wiki page. It clearly states,

In particular, if a user abuses their Right to Vanish, then it may be declined on a future occasion. In some cases (typically when a person with a history of misconduct or blocks also has a legitimate request), a connection may remain back to the old name, for administrative use only.

I hope this clarifies. Moreover, unless the user discloses that is real name, no one would know that fact. User:Wiki Raja did not have to disclose this information. It was unnecessary, and using that as the route to remove his sockpuppet page is not acceptable. Thanks - KNM 21:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense now, cheers - on second thoughts, the policy is quite clear on the matter - all the same, I'd bring it here rather than reverting any more, just to make it legit and final. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 21:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's easy to fix to; one can just delete the talk page, and the user page, then re-create the userpage with the template. His identity is protected, but everyone still knows which sockpuppet he used. --Haemo 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I did that. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Can some admin bring this into action? Already an IP has started again the reverting the user page. Thanks - KNM 23:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that IP was me. I was using IE instead of Firefox and did not see that it was not signed on. Though it automatically logs in. Watchdogb 23:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Good work, looks like this dispute is fini. --Haemo 18:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Greater Grace World Outreach

Oh dear... where to start. The edit history speaks for itself. Andala (talk · contribs) is at the root of the problems, consitently removing sourced information that alludes to the organisation's "darker side". See Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Andala for a list of socks he's used when he's been blocked. I can keep reverting again and again, but this shouldn't be happening really. He never breaks the 3RR, and blocking isn't something that can be done AFAIK, because it's technically a content dispute. I've filed an RFC, to no avail (no-one has responded). Several other editors have happened on the article, but none have removed valid sourced information like Andala does. Frankly, I'm fed up, and I refuse to admit that nothing can be done about this. Ideas? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 21:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I've had my eye on this article for a while, and it seems to me that Andala is obviously pushing a PoV here. He/she never provides sufficient explanation for removing sourced information, and the only sourced information that is deleted is that which potentially shows the organisation in a bad light. Some sort of protective action needs to be taken. Yeanold Viskersenn 22:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Not an ideal solution, but it'll work for now I guess :-) Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 00:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Threat

User:Tony300 has just posted this on his user page; I think this is the right place to report this sort of thing. —Salmar 21:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I've popped the page up for G10 speedy deletion (attack page) and reported him to AIV. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 22:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I've deleted the user page and indef-blocked the user. --John 22:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Banned user spamming Armenian articles

Banned user Ararat arev (talk · contribs) under his latest incarnation Haiks (talk · contribs) is spamming Armenian history articles again. Please ban the new account. --Folantin 22:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocked by Ryulong. IrishGuy 22:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Melodeathfreak

These are his/ her contributions here. Every single one of his/ her edits had to be reverted by me and others. They are just plain vandalism. He/ she seems to be talking about how great bands are and talking about how hot Angela Gossow is and how good genres are. This user needs to be warned and/ or banned. I can't even explain how ridiculous his/ her edits were. Navnløs 22:16, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

No new edits since your last warning; maybe she's stopped. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks like a vandalism only account, and if they continue, report to WP:AIV. Tiptoety 23:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Reported to WP:AIV and they did not block due to a lack of warns. Tiptoety 00:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Question about policy

If an article is protected so that it can only be edited by admins, the template {{editprotected}} signals a request for an edit to be made. I made such a request at Talk:Views of Lyndon LaRouche#Attribution, and my request is extremely simple: it requests that some editorial comments be attributed so as not to be confused with the views of the subject, as it says at WP:RS -- "Where there is disagreement between sources, their views should be clearly attributed in the text." However, two editors are resisting the attribution for what I believe can only be called POV reasons.

My question is this: can one admin simply say, sorry, no edit, and then remove the template? This was done by AuburnPilot . Particularly when it has to do with a Misplaced Pages policy (and we might as well add BLP to the mix in this case,) I think that the template should remain so that other admins can have a look at it. --Masai warrior 23:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The article was protected due to four years of edit warring. Unless there's an uncontested formatting or linking error we should avoid making changes to it. In this case, you proposed a contentious change that had been the topic of lengthy discussion and edit warring. An uninvolved admin looked over the proposal and turned it down. This request is a case of forum shopping. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

When commenting, Will, you ought to identify yourself as one of the two editors who is disputing the attribution, i.e., one of the edit warriors. The other one being Dking/Dennis King, who is citing himself (without attribution) and pushing his POV. --Masai warrior 13:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Will has been protecting Misplaced Pages from long-term abuse by LaRouche fanatics and antifanatics alike. Your contribution history has fewer than 100 mainspace contributions and is pretty much restricted to LaRouche subjects. Single purpose LaRouche accounts may be banned on sight. I have resolved this issue using the banhammer. Guy (Help!) 16:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Sister Roma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Hot House Entertainment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Sister Boom-Boom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

These articles have been the subject of incessant vandalism from anon IPs. I and others have requested that they be protected, but that has not occurred. The answer was that they needed sources before action would be taken. They are now sourced, the vandalism is continuing, and still they are not being protected. How many anon IP vandals must be coddled before hard working editors can catch a break around here? Jeffpw 23:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Semiprotected the two sisters for 48 hours to see if the fuss dies down. The level of IP vandalism to Hot House Entertainment doesn't really seem to warrant it so I've left it unprotected for the moment. — iridescent 23:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate the help I get from people here. Jeffpw 00:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Range block

Can someone who's good with range blocks check out the activity on User talk:Misza13? WODUP  00:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Just done here - Alison 00:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

 Done - Ok - rangeblocked 91.108.192.0/18 for three hours. It's part of the Orange UK network - Alison 00:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Alison. :) WODUP  00:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have experience with User:Neutralizer?

It looks like there might be quite a backstory with User:Neutralizer. If there's anybody around who knows that story, could you take a quick look at User talk:Rayne870, and let me know whether I'm trying to help an innocent newbie who's caught in an autoblock and can't figure out their way out, or if my chain is being yanked? Thanks. --barneca (talk) 01:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That would be me. Neutralizer is a banned vandal fixated on smearing Michael Ignatieff and harassing me, User:Strothra and anyone else who gets in his way by trying to stop him vandalising the Michael Ignatieff article. Last year, under the agreement that we would not report him to his ISP for abuse, he agreed to stop evading his ban and go away quietly. In July, after Daniel and I were renamed, Neutralizer thought that we had actually left, and he decided that meant he could now return and he began editing the MI article again, leading to this AN complaint. I posted on the talk page that we were still here, only renamed and that he was still bound by the community ban, he seemed to disappear again. But he returned recently, using a European IP for a short while and when he was very quickly identified and the "but I can't Neutralizer, my IP is in Europe" defence didn't work, he resumed using his own ISP (Bell Sympatico). After using a variety of socks to troll AFD and DRV and recommencing his trolling, harassment and stalking, I reblocked the ranges that Essjay had previously identified and blocked as the Bell Sympatico IPs he has recently used all fell within the same ranges. It's hard to tell from those few edits on his talk page, but I don't think Rayne fellow is Neutralizer. If he is, though, he will be very easy to pick very quickly. I'll keep an eye on this fellow but I don't think you're being trolled there or having your chain yanked. There is an old SSP here but unfortunately it is very incomplete and out-of-date. Cheers, Sarah 09:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sarah. Looks like you've talked to them after I called it a night, and they're able to edit. --barneca (talk) 11:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Politics rule (talk · contribs)

I've just blocked Politics rule for a week for abusive sockpuppetry. He opposed Hdt83's RfA at 15.21, 29 October 2007, shortly followed by Hi264 - and now they are caught in the same autoblock. Seems clear cut to me.... Ryan Postlethwaite 01:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

And after being caught out, he's just left which makes it even more clear. Ryan Postlethwaite 01:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

User block was changed to indefinite by John Reaves for the same reason. O₂ (息 • 吹) 01:55, 30 October 2007 (GMT)

So MSJapan was on the right track in suspecting disruption at his RfA after all. Too bad it didn't get caught sooner. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Was it my block of Hi264 that set up the autoblock? I had a feeling something weird would happen if I made that block... RyanGerbil10(C-Town) 03:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it was actually. I'm just a little shocked that Politics rules was silly enough to actually post the autoblock unblock request. Ryan Postlethwaite 09:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Repeated insults for months.

User:Shabiha has consistently insulted me personally over content disputes across multiple articles for quite some time now, despite repeated warnings. This has gone on across the Deobandi, Barelwi, and Mawlid talk pages and also the talk pages of multiple users. This has also been through multiple IP addresses signing comments as Shabiha during discussions on talk pages. This is what I dug up of personal attacks from just about two minutes of searching:

• 18:55, 26 September 2007
• 19:02, 26 September 2007
• 20:29, 27 September 2007

And from my previous warnings to this person:

• 23:16, 26 September 2007
• 23:20, 26 September 2007
• 22:57, 27 September 2007

I thought my second warning in particular got the point across, but apparently not. I found this while going to the talk page of a Wiki buddy:

• 19:26, 29 October 2007

I tried my best to warn this person to keep discussions civil and about the subject matter, and not myself. I really, really tried. With that in mind, I ask for an admin to take a serious look at this, as given the amount of warnings i've given consistently and the civility i've displayed despite these insults I think this warrants more than just another warning on this person's talk page. I can find many more diffs like the above if need be as well. MezzoMezzo 02:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you can take this to Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts. The diffs don't seem to show anything that's immediately blockable. This looks like a new user who is having difficulty communicating. With a bit of advice from neutral parties, the situation could improve greatly. It's better to attempt to solve the problem by agreement. - Jehochman 02:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that noticeboard. Would you advise me to take what i've written here and simply transplant it over there? MezzoMezzo 03:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Empezardesdecero123 (talk · contribs)

• Okay, I really am not sure what's going on here. This guy (or girl, whatever), earlier, had a category created called Category:Albums that rock!, which was deleted. He (or she... just using he from now on) later took a page called A Mi Manera, which I created as a redirect, and turned it into some page about some show on Univision that's supposedly coming out. It got AfD'd. He exhibited bad behavior towards other users, and I admittedly made a mistake in leaving a snide remark on his talk page about it. He's now claiming to be one of the stars of the show "A Mi Manera" and leaving strange messages on my talk page, one of which he signed from another user account. He's on his final warning for removing the AfD notice, but I don't exactly know what I should do here. JuJube 02:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I don't really know if i should be here, but i am a guy. I AM a star on that show. And I promise I will have a good attitude from now on. I admit i was rude to JuJube. Im sorry. And delete the page if you must.Empezardesdecero123 02:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Which other username did he sign under? Tiptoety 02:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Empezardesdecero123 received final warn for attacks. Tiptoety 03:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm done with this for now, the behavior's stopped and there's really no need to proceed further unless he's disruptive again. JuJube 03:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

User:MOASPN‎

Krimpet (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) have blocked MOASPN (talk · contribs) indef for abusive sockpuppetry confirmed by checkuser. She beat me by a few seconds by blocking. The main issue is that he said that he was an altenive account of someone, and some of the IPs in the checkuser were shared. See Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Throwawayarb for the confirmed socks. Thanks Jbeach 03:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but who is Throwawayarb a puppet of? SchmuckyTheCat — Preceding undated comment added 03:30, October 30, 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately no checkuser connection was found to any earlier accounts; ThrowawayArb was the earliest the CUs were able to trace back (likely due to checkuser data going stale after 30 days). While it seems very clear that Throwawayarb is a repeat offender, unfortunately we're not quite sure who at this point. :/ --krimpet⟲ 03:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

What was the nature of the abuse? The user didn't hide that he was User:MusingsOfAPrivateNature and User:Semiprivatemusings. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

What they didn't mention, however, is that they trolled the Attack sites RfAR as CManW and Throwawayarb, not to mention any prior accounts they may have used before the checkuser data went stale. --krimpet⟲ 05:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Are the diffs you listed what MOASPN was blocked for? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 10:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd note that these usernames were kind of intended to mimic / mock / annoy me, El_C previously blocked User:MusingsOfAPrivateNature and User:Semiprivatemusings on this basis. Privatemusings 10:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad usernames are a reason to block the usernames, not the user. Regarding the diffs that Krimpet lists, in one the user quotes a site that everyone insists is not an attack site, and in the other he admits to using a sock account in order to make what might be a controversial proposal. Are quoting a non-attack site or using a sock to make a proposal sufficient grounds for an indefinite ban without warning? If so I don't think those standards are properly reflected in the current policy pages. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 11:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Without wishing to put words in anyone's mouth, I suspect the fundamental reason was "user not here to work in good faith with others to build an encyclopedia". This has precedent of course. Privatemusings 11:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a good reason but I'm not sure that all editors know that using a sock puppet to make controversial proposals and link to non-attacks sites without making useful mainspace edits is considered sufficient cause for an indefinite block. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 12:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• (outdent) There are ways and means of doing this. If someone is open with the arbs about who they are and why they don't want to drag their main account into a cesspit RFAR then I think that's perfectly fair. I don't think that's what happened here. Guy (Help!) 15:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

"shoot on sight" comment by IP

Regarding the "shoot on sight" comment added by User talk:76.215.211.136, is there a way of tracking this IP to see if it maps to a named-user account? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 07:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Is that CheckUser or something? --wj32 08:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFCU Mercury 10:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

But to be honest I don't think that is concerning enough to warrant a RFCU. (if he continues, just ask for the IP to be hardblocked since it doesn't seem to be shared) -- lucasbfr 13:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Publishing of IP address and possible stalking.

Once again I am here to report One Nighht In Hackney. This is a serious issue as the IP address used by myslef has been publishe don a talk page. This is what I cponsider stalking as the user just seems to like to have a dig and cause undue stress to myself. I have not in the instance provoked the user in anyway. Pl;ease could something be done as the publishing of an IP address of a user is serious in my opinion.The comments can be sen near the bottom .--Lucy-marie 11:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Not much to see here, except me pointing out the abusive sockpuppetry by Lucy-marie on discussions on the page in question, something she has been recently blocked for. I was asked here to see if there were any more socks in her drawer, so the stalking claim is without merit. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 11:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Its your own fault if you log out to edit and pretend its not you, then someone puts two and two together and gets four, Lucy. --Deskana (talk) 11:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

This is no longer the issue this is a form of stalking. It is not that the user puiblished the IP address it is where the user published the address. If you read where it is published then it is highly inapropriate. just take a look at where it is published.--Lucy-marie 11:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

On the talk page which you logged out to try to influence? Like I said, if you choose to log out to edit abusively, then this will happen. --Deskana (talk) 11:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you now accusing me of malitiously editing a page? I have not edited that page for a long time the last edit I made was in the meditaion section. The publishing of the IP address in a completly unrelated section of the talk page is inapropriate and unecessary and is in my opinion a form of stalking. If i had continuosly edited using just an IP which I do not use and deny using an IP to edit on that page. It would be justified but this is just a way of the user scoring points because they have nothing better to do. Also could you please pass an interpritation on the Talk:The Cool Wall talk page. --Lucy-marie 11:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

IPs aren't secret. If you use yours to try to avoid taking responsibility for your contributions, this will happen. Maybe you should take full responsibility for your edits in the future. It isn't stalking for users to object to your presenting yourself as two people. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's the evidence, by the way, from ONIH's talk. All circumstantial, but good enough for a working hypothesis and certainly good enough to see of any claim of abuse.

similar arguments on the BNP talk page, such as this, this, this, this and this. The IPs limited contributions also overlap with Lucy-marie on various articles as well - Lancing College, Template:G8 nations‎, Rounders, Declaration and forfeiture, Eurozone, Murder of Amanda Dowler - can you hear quacking? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Those edits aren't mine and a check user on my current IP will confirm that.--Lucy-marie 17:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Refiling

Issue not resolved the Issue still stands that ONIH is stalking me and the evidence is based upon the inapropriate place at which a supposed IP that I use was placed. It was placed on the British national party talk page. In a section I had not edited and the talk page which I had not edited for some time. I would like some action taken to remove this harassing and abusive stalker from me. The section can be found here .--Lucy-marie 12:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Persistent edit warring by Hxseek

Hxseek for the past month or so has been edit warring against consensus on the following articles: Macedonians (ethnic group) (12 reverts in the last week) and Macedonia naming dispute (7 reverts in the last week). Nationalist language has generally been used. When dialog was attempted on the talk page the user responded with personal attacks. ForeignerFromTheEast 14:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The article was protected early this morning. --Chris (talk) 15:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive user: Yiwentang

Resolved

Last night during new page patrolling I issued a CSD notice on article Drakecircus. It's author then set off on a campaign of deleting CSD tags, deleting page content on The Hamsters, Spudulike leaving fake CSD notices on User talk:Bhadani/Contributions?, The Hamsters, replacing links on Almas Jewellers with a link to a different company. He's also made a legal threat in response to an image he uploaded being deleted. After the Drakecircus page was finally redirected to an existing article he proceeded to delete virtuall a whole article of the original deletion of Drake Circus Shopping Centre article. I've chosen to produce the evidence here as the case is more one of disruption than out an out vandalism. Incidentally I have placed a series of warnings on his talk page. Additionally some of these edits were done under his anon IP of 81.132.100.115

I've cleaned up most of the mess he's left but as he's just come back online I don't know how long the clean-up will last.I'd like to recommend that administrative action be taken sooner rather than later to stop this disruptive behaviour. Thanks. ---- WebHamster 15:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Hoary has applied a 24-hour block and I've left a message for the user. --Chris (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. I did miss a second legal threat he'd left on the Talk:Drake Circus Shopping Centre page, but as he's getting a cool down period I don't think it matters. Cheers. It makes new page patrolling so worthwhile :) ---- WebHamster 15:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

He certainly is tired and emotional, isn't he? His IP number has won itself a matching vacation. -- Hoary 15:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

<poltergeist>He's baaaaacccckkkk </poltergeist> - This time as User:84.45.220.163 wreaking more havoc on the Drake Circus Shopping Centre. I've reverted it, but he doesn't seem to want to calm down! ---- WebHamster 18:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

More User:Grawp fun

I just found the talk pages of a bunch of Grawp socks I blocked the other day created with the Goatse image. I've deleted them and placed them into WP:PT to prevent their recreation. I've also protected the user pages of these accounts. Admins may wish to do this pre-emptively with other socks of this highly disruptive user. -- Flyguy649 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• Who added the image to the pages? -Hit bull, win steak 17:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The accounts added the image to their own talk pages, at least for five of the socks (e.g. User talk:Givesnake was done by user:Givesnake). I also went through the Grawp sock categories and found a couple of more socks with that fine art on the talk page. -- Flyguy649 17:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. -Hit bull, win steak 18:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Serious vandalism over Shane Ruttle Martinez

I posted an advisory about the article Shane Ruttle Martinez on the Biography of Living Persons Noticeboard. User:UnionPride who, along with User:Frank Pais and User:SuperVideoGameKid "own" the article vandalized my entry int he following manner by rewriting my post so that it was about a completely different article! These three users have been working in tandem to revert any changes to the article Shane Ruttle Martinez even though the article is filled with vanity phrases and unsourced or poorly sourced claims. UnionPride has also attacked me by accusing me of being a "fascist" because I've edited his article. Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Shane_Ruttle_Martinez. Cheap Laffs 15:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Main page talk page

Can someone monitor the person who put the "inappropriate" message at the bottom of the above today? Jackiespeel 16:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Main page gets a lot of vandalism - could you provide a diff or a username/IP so we know who specifically? Mr.Z-man 16:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Oops...I forgot to come back and leave a note. I'm assuming he was talking about this edit by Jheckman51 (talk · contribs). I removed the section and left a vandal1 template on his page. Don't think there's anything here that requires more special treatment of any kind. --Onorem♠Dil 16:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd have given a little stronger warning for that, but I agree, nothing out of the ordinary has to be done. Mr.Z-man 17:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Agriculture

Things are getting a bit hot over at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Agriculture There is an individual, User:WAS 4.250, who started quite a discussion over there, and is now threatening me and claiming that my addition of a link to Misplaced Pages:Don't feed the trolls was a personal attack. Judging by the talk page of this individual, as well as their edits to this discussion page, there is a need for a babysitter for a bit. Now, having reported, I am going to take my own advice. Montanabw 17:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• WAS is right, nobody owns that page. Nor do I see any actual trolling there. Guy (Help!) 17:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
• I agree. Furthermore, you shouldn't throw a policy, especially trolling policies, towards users who have shown no reason not to assume good faith with. 68.143.88.2 18:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way, you do have a tendency to try and own articles. Especially horse related ones. 68.143.88.2 18:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am asking simply that administrators begin to babysit the discussion over there. I think it's needed. The work in that project was started by Doug, and I do not tnink Doug is guilty of "ownership." Montanabw 18:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

posting scams on wikipedia

i don't know if this is the right place to report this but some editor posted this - a chain-letter scam. isn't this illegal? what do we do about this kind of thing? can someone report him to the authorities? Law & Disorder 18:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, for our purposes, it's just vandalism, and since we don't even know who or where the editor is, I'm not sure which 'authorities' we could contact. But there were home addresses included, so I deleted the revisions that contained the information. I don't know if this is the sort of thing that needs to be oversighted or not. I'll also put a warning on his talk page, just in case he ever comes back. -- Vary | Talk 19:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, User:Michaelbusch beat me to the talk page warning. -- Vary | Talk 19:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)