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Casino and hotel stats

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Casino Locations

Please be advised that I again removed the Locations template from the page because it is a duplication of the list of Harrah's casinos which is already located in the article. We need to make a choice here, Either we delete the entire list of casinos in the article and depend solely on the template listings and/or delete the template and rely strictly on the data within the page being updated, You cannot have both ways because it makes the article look sloppy. Misterrick 07:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Expansion

Expansion still needed there is no history between 1937 to 1999, there is a lot of history there. The company was bought by Holiday Inn during this time. There is a lot history and none of it mentioned. I will do my part to add some history in but I can only do so much. Anyone interested in expanding this article should read Jackpot it has a lot information it. --Ben 07:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Casino List

I took out the note about Harrah's Lake Charles opening in 2008, as I can't find any references to support that a re-open date has been established. Also, Horseshoe Council Bluffs is the rebranding of Harrah's Council Bluffs, not Bluff's Run Casino, which is a different, although physically near by, property. Pokerriot 21:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry but your wrong, I fixed that a while back. Harrah's Council Bluff is staying the same. They are getting rid of Bluff's Run Casino, though the race track will keep the same name. Look on Harrah's website because both Bluff's Run and the new Horseshoe have the same address. --Ben 07:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

You're right. My mistake. I notice that Harrah's Council Bluff is not listed, so I am adding that. Pokerriot 19:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

corporate headquarters

I have found conflicting reports as to where its CH is: Memphis, TN or NYC. Harrahs casinos were bought by holiday INN, and thats in Memphis. can anyway one confirm this Barcode 22:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

According to their 10-K, they are incorporated in Delaware and have their principal offices in Nevada. It's the building you pass when you exit I-215 east bound to go to the airport. Vegaswikian 22:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

CH were in Memphis for a while after being spun off by Promus/Holiday Inn, but are definately in Las Vegas now. Harrah's still maintains a sizable corporate services presence in Memphis. Pokerriot 19:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

If you have some details on that it might be a good add to the history section. Vegaswikian 19:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Just an FYI, most of the corporate headquarters, including the offices of CEO, COO, and CFO, have been moved to Caesars Palace. HET still uses the building off highway 215 to house corporate IT and Legal. Jimmyd.lv 20:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep, they now list it as 2100 Caesars Palace Drive, Palace Tower, Spa Level, Las Vegas, NV 89109. It was One Harrah's Court. Vegaswikian 21:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Locations

At the bottom under Harrahs Locations or what not it says Horseshoe Council Bluff, Can someone please change this to Council Bluffs. The city name has an S on it. And I am unsure how to change that. Thanks!--LocalBandAid02 18:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. I just figured it out. Thanks. --LocalBandAid02 20:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Margaritaville thoughts

Do we create a new page for Margaritaville Casino and Resort, or do we move the current Grand Casino Biloxi page? I say we create a new page as it's a new facility and we leave the Grand (and Casino Magic, if any) pages as linked references for the former facilities. Thoughts? SpikeJones 16:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Generally I'm opposed to removing history as far as the old names go. When you combine articles, you lose a lot of information as the later editors don't see why older information is important for the new property. Casinos have history, and frequently history with a particular owner. So in a case like this, I'd leave both old casino articles and write one for the Casino Magic Biloxi Casino & Hotel while this information is still available. So yes, a new one for Margaritaville Casino and Resort. Vegaswikian 19:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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Harrah's Tunica renaming

To those Harrah's editors: the article Harrah's Tunica should be merged (then deleted) into Grand Casino Tunica, then that article should be renamed appropriately to Harrah's Tunica. Please confirm your thoughts here first (or do the move yourselves). Thx! SpikeJones 06:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Critics section

I noticed that on 11/4/7 a Critics section was added and promptly removed. Perhaps it could remain if references were added. Two possible references are the Las Vegas Sun http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/leisure/2003/nov/13/515853930.html and http://www.blackjack-scams.com/html/6_5_blackjack.html. This is after all a fundamental change to a 95 year old game that is a major part of casino activity – the primary business of Harrah’s. 71.247.206.159 19:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I am the original adder of this section (also on a few other pages) and have reverted the edits. I agree these changes are very Misplaced Pages-worthy and anyone that follows the table game world is aware of the changes Harrah's has made, and the effects of those changes in Las Vegas generally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgtd (talk • contribs) 19:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Simply put, this is not encyclopedic for this casino. It is a change that is occurring in many casinos and we don't need to list this in each casino article. In belongs in the description of the game and the various pay tables that can be used there. The critics heading is totally inappropriate, it is simply a different version of a table game. Vegaswikian 20:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed - it's also absolutely unsourced and violates WP:NPOV. Misplaced Pages is not a WP:SOAPBOX.--Sesameball 20:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by unsourced with so many references. And the criticism is widespread. And I do find it interesting that Harrah's felt it needed to fundamentally alter a game drastically changing the century old probabilities. But I do see a problem in that some other casinos have followed suit.Objective3000 21:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The sources provided were irrelevant as they provided no support for the value judgements made. They had nothing to do with the article subject's table numbers or odds specifically, nor provided any evidence that there exists "routine criticism", and also did not address the craps game claims. --Sesameball 21:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The Craps and H17 comments were weak. But I thought the Las Vegas Sun article did indicate "routine criticism" of the BJ pays 6:5 invention. Also I believe the refs did indicate support for the value judgements as this is a change so fundamental to the game it is why the game was named Blackjack 95 years ago. And the effect is to drastically alter the house edge in a major part of the primary business of the corporation. If the business was auto manufacture and the business quadrupled the markup of autos for the first time in nearly a century, I think it would be worth a mention.:)Objective3000 23:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the fact that 6:5 vs. 3:2 is unfavorable to the player supported not a single statement made in the edit in question (the edit only said S17 was bad - it didn't even say 6:5 was bad). And it certainly doesn't support a value judgement against the Harrah's company as a whole. I also left a message on your talk page. Nevermind, editor already beat me to it. :) --Sesameball 01:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes the original text was less than perfect. The 6:5 problem was explained in the references I and another added. As for whether this action relects unfavorably on the company as a whole; I think that a very large segment of Harrah's customers and watchdogs would say yes. That's why it would seem to make sense in a "critics" section. If you would like to see an example of Harrah's actions, see http://www.qfit.com/whopper.jpg. This is a picture of the marquee in front of Bally's & Paris (two Harrah's casinos) when 6:5 was first announced. Although the rule change drastically increases the house edge; the sign suggests that it is a boon to the customer. Clear false advertising.Objective3000 02:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone has accused me of being a sock puppet. This is absurd. Is this kind of nonsense common? Can I not politely discuss something without false accusations? I want this accusation removed. Can't believe I ever volunteered my time on this site.Objective3000 01:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at the reversion that removed the sockpuppet's edit here and some how your edits got mixed in with the sock's edit. See here. Again, My apologies. -- bulletproof 01:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I realize you are having a problem with an editor at the moment. Actually it's probably not sock puppets. The original editor posted on two BJ forums that people should keep adding the text.Objective3000 02:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)