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Images in Evangelion articles

As a signed-on participant of WikiProject Evangelion, I think we need to talk about the future of the images in the articles. Your input on the issue at the project's talk page is appreciated. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Eva 1.0 article

Hi, I'm copy-pasting this image to all you members in the Evangelion workgroup, since there seems to be no communication/to-do template in your workgroup yet (not sure if I have the time to join myself yet). The article on the newest movie needs serious help, particularly in converting listcruft to prose. Note that you may expose yourself to some spoilers if you choose to help. Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone. --GunnarRene 14:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible deal

Hi Elhector. I just made an offer on Talk:Barbara Schwarz‎ which could take me out of Project Scientology. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. Steve Dufour 07:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to help with the article. On the talk page I posted a possible second paragraph which gives some but not all of the information in the one you tried to remove. Before that I moved the paragraph out of the intro section. It was put back which is why it appears twice in a row now. Thanks for your good work here. Steve Dufour 19:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Could you take a look at the article again? It seems to be creeping back to what it was. I really don't want to come back to Project Scientology. Thanks. Steve Dufour 21:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

On Proxy Servers and Scientology

In response to your request for more information, the nature of IPs involved was further discussed during the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/COFS case. Discussion started around the time of this diff:ws.churchofscientology.org and ns1.scientology.org are not proxy servers. (P.S. I watch the pages I post too and prefer to keep things on one page. If there is a reason you prefer not posting here, expect me to reply to future inquires there On my page :) Anynobody 04:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Just noticed this, AN, and I was curious what you have to back up "ws.churchofscientology.org and ns1.scientology.org are not proxy servers"? --Justanother 19:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Well like jpgordon's post(the diff I included) said: IPs 3, 4, and 5 appear to be open proxies or something similar, using http://www.your-freedom.net/ while ws.churchofscientology.org and ns1.scientology.org were numbers 1 and 6 respectively. Proxy servers are servers that allow people to get around restrictions placed on them by their regular servers. Services like http://www.your-freedom.net/ allow people on ws.churchofscientology.org to access sites and content that ws.churchofscientology.org would not access because of restrictions placed by ws.churchofscientology.org's administrators. Anynobody 20:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that is what I suspected - you are confusing a proxy server with an open proxy. Big difference. The two Scientology IPs are proxy servers, not open proxies. --Justanother 20:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to disagree with you, but that is incorrect and to show you why let's assume you are right. In that case Misou would be using at least three servers in order to access Misplaced Pages. First he uses whatever one he accesses the Internet with then he accesses ws.churchofscientology.org (if you are correct in assuming they are proxy networks then Misou has to access them from another network) for its "global firewall" you described on Talk:L. Ron Hubbard, but in order to get around that same firewall he uses http://www.your-freedom.net/ which is both a proxy but more specifically an open proxy. Anynobody 22:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Figured I'd jump in since this discussion is going on my talk page :-). By the way I don't care if you guys continue this discussion here, just please be sure to keep it civil :-). Anyways, personally none of this make any sense. Why is any of this necessary for to view Misplaced Pages. Why would Misou connect to ws.churchofscientology.org and then use to http://www.your-freedom.net/ to get around the firewall on ws.churchofscientology.org? Is Misou accessing ws.churchofscientology.org from his own network? That wouldn't make any sense... The only way using http://www.your-freedom.net/ makes any sense is if ws.churchofscientology.org is Misou's native network when accessing Misplaced Pages. It doesn't make any sense for Misou to connect to ws.churchofscientology.org from his own network and then use http://www.your-freedom.net/ to get around the fire wall. That's to many hoops to jump through. In that case it would be easier to just access wikipedia from his own network and skip ws.churchofscientology.org and http://www.your-freedom.net all together. Know what I'm saying? Elhector 00:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, but I hadn't intended to start a discussion with Justanother here. I'm supposed to limit contact with him, so I'll move back to the Hubbard talk page. (I'll just say that I agree with EVERYTHING you said and questioned in the last post.) Anynobody 00:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Hector, it is really quite simple and has already been explained multiple times. The CofS, like most organizations large and small, has a number of firewall-type proxy servers that route traffic between the internal networks and the internet. A number of editors have used computers that access the internet through one or more of those proxies. Additionally, Misou has already said that he uses the your-freedom for added security when he is accessing the internet from a WiFi location like an internet cafe. I imagine that he uses the OpenVPN aspect of the service. In other words, the your-freedom is not being used in conjuction with the CofS proxies. Misou's simple explanation makes a lot more sense then a more complex hypothesis. Also, if you are familiar with corporate firewalls then you know that they do not let you access proxy servers, they block attempts to bypass the firewall. Everyone of the subject editors has openly stated that they have used the Church proxies so what is the point of some complicated ruse? There is none and it simply is what it is. --Justanother 02:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Nintendo Page Redesign

A new page design is being considered for the WikiProject Nintendo page. A rough draft can be viewed here. Please add all comments and thoughts to the discussion. From the automated, Anibot 22:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Yo

Misou has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

. Back to you. Thanks, appreciated! Misou 23:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: AIT Talk Page

GoRight has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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The whole global warming topic is a war zone, so the AIT talk page just reflects that. I appreciate your comments there. My goal is simply to keep things in a fair and balanced perspective without any hidden POV pushing ... or at least an equal amount from both sides if necessary. Cheers.

Suicides

Hey, sorry if I came on strong about the suicides on the Lottick AfD page. Just that, statistically, and based on my experience, I was kinda blown away (and I was responding to a number of comments at once, two of them casting vague aspersions on me, so I was lacking in tact a bit). You are a good editor and I did not really mean to slam you - sometimes I come on too strong. I apologize if I offended you. --JustaHulk 15:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

To be honest with you I was offended. Just because you are a scientologist doesn't mean you would know of every suicide commited by a church member. I really doubt the CofS sends out a monthly suicide bulletin or anything. To be honest with you I don't blame the church itself fully for my friends and family members suicide as much as I think it's just a product of religion in general. My wife works as a counselor for people who have mental problems, a lot of her patients see her due to an attempted suicide. I would say probably 95% of these people weren't really trying to kill themselves, there attempted suicide was just a desperate plea for help. What's interesting is that a overwhelming majority of these people site there religion as the cause of there pain. She does get about 1-2 new patients about every 6 months that were former scientologists, that number may or may not surprise you. But in all fairness it seems in her practice anyways that there are far more mormons attempting suicide, but that's probably just a product of where we live, it's heavily Mormon here. I do appreciate your apology and I will assume you're comment was in good faith. Elhector 22:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

So what are you saying, that you personally knew four "Scientologists" that committed suicide? Other than the family member, were they people that you met as a result of your wife's practice? That would certainly skew the numbers statistically. And no, I am not talking about the "Suicide Monthly", I am talking about knowing a huge population of Scientologists as friends and acquaintances and knowing personally of only one suicide among them in all my 30 years. I have known a lot that died of illness and accidents but only that one suicide. --JustaHulk 00:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

The cofs and the hotel business

FYI, the cofs is not in the hotel business. While wireless service may or may not be provided by the cofs to an affiliated accomodations corporation, the cofs still is fully liable for what originates from its internet connection. --Fahrenheit451 17:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm completely aware of this. I still don't understand what the issue is if Misou is staying at a scientology run facility that offers wireless internet to it's patrons and decides to do some wiki work while staying at said facility. I apologize for biting your head off early on Misou's talk page. I've been suffering a lot of aggravation around here lately and to see you continually ask Misou the same question while he/she continually asked you to quit kind of set me off. It looked like harassment to me at that point and I felt the need to jump in to get you off of Misou's back. I failed to assume good faith and for that I also apologize. I'm going to take a break from controversial topics around here for a while so I can get myself calm and collected again. I hope you understand where I'm coming from and I hope we can have more constructive discussions here in the future. Elhector 21:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I understand. Talk to you again when you return from break.--Fahrenheit451 19:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

AIT page

Thanks for the attempt to save the Milloy reference but it seems I had exceed the wp:3rr so I had to self-revert. It can wait for another day. Aren't they being silly with that one? I mean the quote itself shouldn't even be contentious, it basically says "be fair" and show all points of view. --GoRight 19:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)