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:The other anon, ], your speech turns out wrong per this info. There has '''11 Korean native fruits so far'''. The articles related to plants are missing so many info. In addition, ], you know less of your country fruits. Japan own some species by researching and developing and sells the seeds or fruit trees to other countries such as North America, Brazil, Korea, Taiwan. Why don't you care more about your country fruits? Countries surely own fruit species. If you wanted to look yourself unbiased, you should've tagged the CFD to "Japanese citrus" to back up your assumption. --] (]) 18:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | :The other anon, ], your speech turns out wrong per this info. There has '''11 Korean native fruits so far'''. The articles related to plants are missing so many info. In addition, ], you know less of your country fruits. Japan own some species by researching and developing and sells the seeds or fruit trees to other countries such as North America, Brazil, Korea, Taiwan. Why don't you care more about your country fruits? Countries surely own fruit species. If you wanted to look yourself unbiased, you should've tagged the CFD to "Japanese citrus" to back up your assumption. --] (]) 18:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
::It shouldn't be just native but also '''unique''' and '''exclusive''' to a country in terms of origin. Otherwise fruits like apple must belong in tons of categories. Korea has zero such fruits. For Japan, fruits like Dekopon are created in Japan.--] (]) 20:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ::It shouldn't be just native but also '''unique''' and '''exclusive''' to a country in terms of origin. Otherwise fruits like apple must belong in tons of categories. Korea has zero such fruits. For Japan, fruits like ] and ] are created in Japan.--] (]) 20:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Category:Incumbent Native American leaders
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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 16:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Incumbent Native American leaders to Category:Native American leaders
- Nominator's rationale: Per ample precedent, for ease of maintenance, and because stable information is preferred for individuals, we shouldn't have categories for "current" leaders. – Black Falcon 20:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per nom; no current cats difficult to maintain. Carlossuarez46 23:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- KeepI don't know why you prefer that we don't have categories for incumbent leaders. I use those categories, and I have found them very informative in learning about world leaders. Why not keep this category so that people can learn about incumbent Native American leaders? What precedent is there for this? And what do you mean by "stable" information? Biographies of living people are not stable by definition, they constantly need to be updated with notable events in that person's life. And why would they be easier to maintain if they were all in one category? I'm just rather baffled here. Asarelah 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I will answer your questions in turn, to the best of my ability.
- Why not keep this category so that people can learn about incumbent Native American leaders? Categories for incumbent leaders require constant maintenance and updating. While this is fairly easy to do with a list – where one need to watch over only one page – it is much more complex with a category, since the contents of a category are determined by edits made to articles and not to the category itself. See Misplaced Pages:Categories, lists, and series boxes.
- What precedent is there for this? See here for a partial list.
- And what do you mean by "stable" information? By "stable information", I mean information that doesn't change over time. Attributes such as year of birth/death, nationality, and current or former profession are stable over time for individuals; attributes such as current office are, by definition, not. Information in articles is updated all the time, but categories should not be treated the same as articles. They are much more difficult to monitor, maintain, and update.
- And why would they be easier to maintain if they were all in one category? For the reason stated above. Membership in the "incumbent" category, unlike membership in the more general parent category, is not stable or permanent.
- I hope that helps to dispel your confusion. Cheers, Black Falcon 06:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I will answer your questions in turn, to the best of my ability.
- Merge per nom - "current" cats are indeed to be discouraged, especially large ones where the latest information may not be easy to obtain. At the same time the "relative ease of maintenance" argument is a myth; in editing terms it is arguably easier to maintain a category -you adjust the ex-incumbent's article, including category, then the new person's one, and that's it. With a List you have to go there as well. I think there should be rare exceptions -like the "current world leaders" categories, but this is not one of them. Johnbod 14:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Your comment assumes that the editor in question is aware of any changes in status. That assumption is certain to be untrue with large categories, such as Category:Current mayors of cities in California. While this also applies to lists, a list can be sourced, thus allowing information to be checked and updated from time to time. – Black Falcon 17:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Would require continual maintenance, and is unsuitable for CDs, printed editions, or mirrors. See also September 9th discussion. -- Prove It 15:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Virtual Worlds - Kids
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The result of the debate was merge to Category:Virtual reality communities. the wub "?!" 16:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Virtual Worlds - Kids to Category:Virtual worlds for children
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, fix capitalisation avoid slang. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Snocrates 02:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
*Rename per nom. Doczilla 04:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Virtual reality communities. The "for children" qualifier introduces subjectivity into the inclusion criteria. Moreover, Category:Virtual reality communities is not so significantly populated that it needs subcategorisation on the basis of target audience. – Black Falcon 06:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per Black Falcon. Doczilla 22:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Andrew c 20:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Virtual reality communities per Black Falcon, and because regardless of target audience (initially) a popular site will spill over communities. Carlossuarez46 01:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per Black Falcon. VartanM 02:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Resort operators
- Suggest merging Category:Resort operators to Category:Hospitality companies
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. There is simply too much overlap here. Most hospitality companies operate resorts. Category:Hotel and leisure companies is the UK usage, but I don't believe that any of the companies here are British. It I missed any then they would need moving to the other category. Vegaswikian 20:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge and rename but "Hospitality companies" sounds very odd to me, is certainly a euphemism, & does not contain what I might expect. Either follow the UK term, or Category:Hotel and resort companies is pretty clear. This is a very international field, so ideally we should have a global term. At the moment Category:Hospitality companies by country shows an odd mixture. Johnbod 14:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Gerash
- Category:Gerash - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: There is not enough material (at this time) to justify a disinct category for this city of 30000 people in Larestan County, Fars Province, Iran. The category's sole member already appears in Category:Larestan County. – Black Falcon 20:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Korean fruits
- Category:Korean fruits - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - Countries don't own fruit species. --Saintjust 19:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Strong keep - Editor needs to take a moment to examine how the Asian cuisine cats such as Category:Korean cuisine operate. Subcategories allow for easier navigation. Please take some time to familiarize yourself with how we subdivide Asian cuisine categories and abandon this poorly considered nomination. The four fruits in this category are strongly associated with Korean cuisine, as much as any other Korean ingredient such as kimchi, tofu, or cellophane noodles. Badagnani 21:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Strong delete. Categorising specific dishes by country is fine ... categorising species of fruit is not. Persimmon, for instance, is native to China, Mexico, North America, and the Philippines, among others. Ume and Yuzu originated in China, and were later introduced to Korea and Japan. Pyrus pyrifolia grows in China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. I don't even want to imagine what this type of categorisation scheme would do to fruits like apple. – Black Falcon 22:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Strong delete per nom. and Black Falcon. LeSnail 01:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. If they are strongly associated with Korean cuisine, just categorize them to Category:Korean ingredients, which is also a subcategory of Category:Korean cuisine and only has five entries. --Kusunose 02:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Korea is a peninsula... does it have any unique fruits? 132.205.99.122 19:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - If you examine the Category:Korean cuisine category, you'll see that we use subcategories to designate various elements of Korean cuisine, including food ingredients. Whether the fruit may have originated in China or not is immaterial; assuring easy navigation and logical subcategorization for our users is paramount. These fruits are indisputably extremely significant parts of Korean cuisine, all of them used extensively and strongly associated with this national cuisine as historically and culturally significant ingredients. Badagnani 19:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Commnet - First of all, Saintjust, you should've notified me of this deletion proposal because I created the category and am surely responsible for this process. Back to the point, at that time making the category, I was relatively a newbie (still don't know much of wiki rules), so I referred to the Category:Japanese citrus for sorting Korean ingredients. I don't mind this category being deleted even though many Korean native fruits are existing according to the Korean Plant Data Base. There are not many Korean editors here to dedicate to creating articles regarding Korean fruits. However, the same rule has to be applied to "Japanese citrus" because countries don't own fruits according to Saintjust's rationale. --Appletrees 11:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- For equality- Black Falcon, LeSnail, Kusunose and Saintjust, I certainly believe that all of you guys will throw a same vote for the deletion proposal to Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2007_November_15#Category:Japanese_citrus like you said about this category. Regarding the association with Korean cuisine, the proposer, Saintjust are strongly associated with highly sensitive articles like Japanese imperialism per his contribution histories. Interesting indeed.--Appletrees (talk) 02:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Commnet The category Japanese citrus has at least 3 citruses that are native to Japan. The category Korean fruits has none. And I suppose that your vote here is "delete" since you are suggesting the deletion of the category Japanese citrus. --61.202.37.174 (talk) 16:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Commnet - Well, I didn't add Korean native fruits yet to the category. Korea is a peninsula, so of course there has unique fruits compared to continent and island. Lingonberry is also one of the native Korean fruits. And the voters say even though Korea has native fruits, the number at the time Saintjust tagged was not enough to keep it. I just want a same standard. And I didn't propose the deletion of this category. Why don't you see Saintjust's rationale, and other' opinions like "Countries don't own fruits". I only see why he brought this up here--Appletrees (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- FYI - After 211.3.113.222, this mysterious anon of Osaka, Japan tagged the Korean fruit category to fruits native to Korea, this category has 18 Korean fruits. It is booming! However, 7 species among them are not really native to Korea after I checked on them, so eleven species are truely Koran native fruits in the category so far.
- Except dekopon, lychee, pomegranate, the fruits are greatly cultivated and consumed in Korea and Japan.
- Pomegranate - not native to any of China, Korea, Japan
- Dekopon - It is certainly developed species by Japan but has no info regarding native country.
- Lychee - native to China and Southeast Asia
- Mikan - native only to China
- Prunus salicina - only native to China but according to wiki page, it is called Japanese plum. From whom? weird.
- Ume - native only to China
- Yuzu - native only to China
- The other anon, 61.202.37.174, your speech turns out wrong per this info. There has 11 Korean native fruits so far. The articles related to plants are missing so many info. In addition, Saintjust, you know less of your country fruits. Japan own some species by researching and developing and sells the seeds or fruit trees to other countries such as North America, Brazil, Korea, Taiwan. Why don't you care more about your country fruits? Countries surely own fruit species. If you wanted to look yourself unbiased, you should've tagged the CFD to "Japanese citrus" to back up your assumption. --Appletrees (talk) 18:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be just native but also unique and exclusive to a country in terms of origin. Otherwise fruits like apple must belong in tons of categories. Korea has zero such fruits. For Japan, fruits like Dekopon and Fuji (apple) are created in Japan.--61.202.37.174 (talk) 20:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Genre hybrid games
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Genre hybrid games - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This seems to be overcategorization in my view. as many video games are technically two (or more game types). There is many action adventure games, as well as strategy RPG and so on. RobJ1981 18:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete most games can be lumped into two genres and so become hybrids. If kept, re-name focusing on video games otherwise backgammon and contract bridge qualify as a hybrid of games of chance and games of skill - two genres. Carlossuarez46 01:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:William Butler Yeats
- Category:William Butler Yeats - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. Otto4711 17:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. One could populate it a lot more, but .... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 01:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Strong keep (reluctantly, 'cos most of Yeats's poetry gets on my tits and he got far too close to fascism for my liking). Apart from the ginormity of his stature in Ireland, he has become synomonoymous with North County Sligo, which is marketed in all media as the "Yeats Country" (nearly 25,000 non-wikipedia ghits), his grave at Drumcliffe draws squillions of tourists in coaches, there is a Yeats County Hotel, a Yeats Tavern, and a Yeats just-about-everything-you-could-spend-your-money-on. Maud Gonne's single most-defining characteristic is that Yeats was scarily obsessed with her (see the first sentence of the article on her), the Yeats Summer School] has been a major cultural event for 50 years, and so on. Most eponymous categories are useless, but this one is a clear exception. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Orientalists
- Propose renaming There is a whole collection of subcategries which require renaming, such as Category:British Orientalists to Category:British orientalists, Category:British Egyptologists, Category:Russian Hebraists. etc. The driver of the "renaming bot" must go through the whole tree of Category:Orientalists fishing out all miscaps.
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, capitalization. `'Míkka>t 16:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Re/decapitalize all non-standard titles per nom. Johnbod 14:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Pokémon items
- Category:Pokémon items - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: With all items but two found in List of Pokémon items, this category is too small to be useful and will not see significant expansion. Upmerge into Category:Pokémon. Pagrashtak 16:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. This category naturally fits into its two parent categories, Category:Nintendo items and Category:Pokémon.--Mike Selinker 01:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- No one's debating that. What's important here is that the category is too narrow to be useful. Do you have a comment about that? Pagrashtak 06:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's more useful than sticking them into Nintendo items.--Mike Selinker 17:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- This is a case where a list (namely List of Pokémon items) is more useful than a category. Misplaced Pages:Categories, lists, and series boxes discusses the pros and cons. Pagrashtak 18:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's more useful than sticking them into Nintendo items.--Mike Selinker 17:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- No one's debating that. What's important here is that the category is too narrow to be useful. Do you have a comment about that? Pagrashtak 06:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Well, there isn't a reason why we cant have both a list and a cat. ĞavinŤing 15:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- That's just a variation of WP:HARMLESS. Pagrashtak 15:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Given the existence of the list and the lack of articles listed under the category, it seems to serve no additional purpose. Though Misplaced Pages allows for both a list and category on the same topic, it is not required that they be kept, especially if one does not offer much. (Guyinblack25 16:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC))
Category:Fictional child characters in television programs
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional child characters in television programs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Delete, no good place to put this since fictional children was deleted. -- Prove It 14:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as essentially a re-creation of the deleted fictional children category. Otto4711 16:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & Otto. Carlossuarez46 01:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Wrestling venues
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:08, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Wrestling venues - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete this and child categories. The vast majority of arenas in the US have hosted a touring wrestling act at one point. This would be no different then adding a Disney on Ice venue category everywhere. ccwaters 13:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all - hosting a touring wrestling promotion is not a defining characteristic of a sporting venue. Otto4711 17:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm contemplating whether to AFD Wrestling arena as well. ccwaters 18:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete we don't categorize general purpose things for there possible specific uses. Carlossuarez46 01:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Elder women in television programs
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Elder women in television programs - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete' From the category text, this category seems to want to mix fictional characters and real people, which is not a good idea; also, it uses an arbitrary inclusion criteria (why is 55 "elderly") - note the problem of allowing categorization if people "appear to be" 55+. Bencherlite 09:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - no useful function to the category and the original research is inherent. Otto4711 14:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, see also discussion of July 18th. -- Prove It 14:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & Otto & Prove It (all of the above :-P) Carlossuarez46 01:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Otto, its OR VartanM 01:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete subjective category. Any inclusion criteria would be arbitrary. Doczilla 06:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Former designated terrorist organizations (2)
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The result of the debate was split into Category:Defunct organizations designated as terrorist and Category:Organizations formerly designated as terrorist. the wub "?!" 16:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Former designated terrorist organizations - Template:Lc1
- Propose splitting into Category:Defunct organizations designated as terrorist and Category:Organizations formerly designated as terrorist
- Nominator's rationale: The previous CFD was closed as no consensus, but User:Hersfold suggested that we split the category in two parts. Category:Former organizations designated as terrorists and Category:Organizations formerly designated as terrorists. This way we can separate the good guys, who chose not to practice terrorism anymore and the ones that no longer exist. I believe majority showed support to what Hersfold suggested. VartanM 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- If split, I suggest dropping the "s" at the end of "terrorists", per the parent (Category:Organizations designated as terrorist). – Black Falcon 08:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, the "s"'s were dropped. VartanM 18:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Split but name the "former" category Category:Defunct organizations designated as terrorist both per the majority of the subcats of Category:Former entities and to further distinguish from still-existing organizations by removing the word "former" from one of the category names. Otto4711 14:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, its much clearer and less confusing this way. VartanM 18:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Split per Otto and named per Otto. Carlossuarez46 01:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per my comments in the previous discussion that this sort of categorisation-by-the-selectively-applied-labels-of-powerful states embeds the POV of a few powerful countries into the category system. I am aware that this category is the result of a previous compromise over the unqualified application of the term "terrorist", but it sets a very bad precedent. I can see no substantive difference between this and categories such as "countries designated as imperialist", "countries designated as rogue states", "leaders praised as Democrats". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional fire victims
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Fictional fire victims to Category:Fictional burn victims
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Fictional fire victims" could mean many things, including losing one's home to a fire. A hospital treats burn victims. Characters for whom this is a defining quality are fictional burn victims. Doczilla 07:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Deletion would be okay too. Note that Misplaced Pages has neither Category:Fire victims nore Category:Burn victims. Butterfly McQueen died from burns incurred in a fire, but is only categorized under accidental death, not as a fire or burn victim. Doczilla 07:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. If being in a fire is not significant enough to mention in most articles it is not a defining characteristic. How can a film be a fire victim? Vegaswikian 07:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - being a burn victim is in many if not most instances not a defining characteristic. Inclusion criteria can never be objective. If a fictional character gets tortured with a cigarette s/he's a "burn victim" as is a character who picks up a too-hot coffeepot. Otto4711 14:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Neither being a fire victim nor being a burn victim is a defining characteristic. I was going to nominate this page for deletion myself. szyslak 20:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete poor Bambi & Thumper Carlossuarez46 01:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep I think it just takes a little common sense when using this category. Certain characters, such as Zuko or Freddy Kreuger, are noticably affected by fire and it is a very defining characteristic for them. A character who gets burned with a cigarette at one point shouldn't be included in the category because that's not a defining characteristic. Like I said, just use common sense and it will work fine. --Piemanmoo 08:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- If it needs common sense, then it is ambiguous and should be deleted. Vegaswikian 10:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:The Authority members
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:The Authority members - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete superhero team member category per overwhelming precedent. Doczilla 07:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and extensive precedent. Otto4711 22:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Support deletion - but if retained it (and the main article) should be retitled as "The Authority (superhero team)": the "Authority" can refer to many different things. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Gen¹³ members
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Gen¹³ members - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete per oh so many other superteam category member deletions. Doczilla 07:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and extensive precedent. Otto4711 22:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as above. ĞavinŤing 15:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Retro automobile trend
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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:16, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Retro automobile trend to Category:Retro style automobiles
- Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are for automobiles, not a "trend" (which is a subjective term) itself. I would also suggest "Retro-styled automobiles" as an alternative name.. or possibly a discussion to delete the category altogether. --Vossanova 19:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Falcon 07:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy Rename per nom. With no objections this does not need to wait 5 more days to be renamed. Vegaswikian 18:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy Rename per Vegaswikian. Silence=assent. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Eponyms
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The result of the debate was keep. the wub "?!" 16:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Eponyms - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category categorizes articles by their titles, rather than by their subjects. Powers 22:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This category gathers together articles about groups of places or things named after people. Carlossuarez46 22:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- I know what it does; the problem is that that's not how we categorize articles in Misplaced Pages. We categorize based on the subject, not based on the name by which they are called. Powers 03:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, we are gathering lists of eponyms, not things that are called some particular name. Carlossuarez46 23:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I know what it does; the problem is that that's not how we categorize articles in Misplaced Pages. We categorize based on the subject, not based on the name by which they are called. Powers 03:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Listify.Actually, there are already a number of lists in the category. Changing vote to Weak keep- perhaps some eponymns are notable as such. Articles should not be categorized here willy-nilly, though. --Eliyak T·C 04:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep. Category has sufficient content with subcats. Doczilla 07:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Mandaen
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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 16:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mandaen to Category:Mandaeism
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to reflect the name of the topic, not an adjective. Eliyak T·C 04:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. and to agree with main article Mandaeism. LeSnail 01:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Eikaiwa
- Propose renaming Category:Eikaiwa to Category:to be determined by consensus
- Nominator's rationale: Eikaiwa is a Japanese term, not in common usage outside of Japan. Although we have an Eikaiwa article, categories (as listed in Category:Companies of Japan for example) should be named more conducively towards non-specialists. A discussion has taken place at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Japan#Capitalization which favors a non-Eikaiwa word, although the exact terminology can still be debated here. Neier 10:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Rename and, suggest rename to Language schools of Japan, as some schools teach many languages besides English. - Neier 10:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment I'm fine with "Language schools of Japan", but as I am not too familiar with the eikaiwa world, I wonder: Is there a significant difference between eikaiwa companies/schools and other language schools, in their organization, teaching methods, etc? In other words, is there any reason to define eikaiwa separately as its own special category of language schools? If so, then I think we should enforce that difference in our naming. LordAmeth 23:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:English conversation schools in Japan. My understanding is that eikaiwa schools differ in that they only teach oral conversational skills—there is generally no study of written language at all; the focus is on helping people be able to converse in English. (The public school system's courses in English have more of an emphasis on English writing and grammar and being able to read English.) Also, the word "eikaiwa" in Japanese specifically describes a school that teaches English language conversation—an eikaiwa that teaches a language other than English is an oxymoron. Snocrates 04:44, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- See GEOS (eikaiwa) for one example. Neier 05:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. Eikaiwa refers to a particular type of object that is unique to Japan. In such cases, and since the article is located at Eikaiwa, it is justifiable to use the original-language term. – Black Falcon 23:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Andrew c 02:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Category:Eerste Divisie 2006/2007
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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 16:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- Category:Eerste Divisie 2006/2007 - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one article, Eerste Divisie 2006-07, and could only contain that article, because nothing noteworthy or encyclopedic happened during the season. The article Eerste Divisie 2006-07 is included in Category:Eerste Divisie seasons, the parent of the nominated category. Aecis 00:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- agree per nom. Carlossuarez46 00:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom -- Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Stikine Volcanic Belt
- Propose renaming Category:Stikine Volcanic Belt to Category:Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, Northern Cordilleran volcanic province is the newer term than Stikine Volcanic Belt. Black Tusk 01:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: according to the naming conventions, the title of the category should correspond to the title of the matching article. The article Stikine Volcanic Belt appears to be the "parent article" of Category:Stikine Volcanic Belt, whereas Northern Cordilleran Volcanic Province is not listed in the category at the moment. Aecis 01:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Reply I only included the Stikine Volcanic Belt in the category because that's what the category is for. But "Stikine Volcanic Belt" is the older term for the "Northern Cordilleran Province". I have been thinking about merging the Stikine Volcanic Belt article into the Northern Cordilleran arcticle since they pretty much mean the same thing (we only need one article about the same thing). Black Tusk 01:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- Then go ahead and make the merge. We certainly only need one article on one subject. I know nothing of the subject however. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)