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| *'''Delete''' Apart from the arrest<s>s</s> could he be considered notable? And if that's the sole reason for his notability doesn't that violate ]?? ] (]) 14:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' Apart from the arrest<s>s</s> could he be considered notable? And if that's the sole reason for his notability doesn't that violate ]?? ] (]) 14:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :As a follow-up, for the incident that occurred at age 16, he was not even arrested...] (]) 14:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC) | :As a follow-up, for the incident that occurred at age 16, he was not even arrested...] (]) 14:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Jeb Bush, Jr.
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Delete Not indepdently notable per WP:BIO and WP:NN. While there are references to him on the smoking gun, Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT a tabloid. It is likely only to attract violations to WP:BLP and possible legal issues. Per WP:NOT#NEWS: "Misplaced Pages considers the historical notability of persons and events, while keeping in mind the harm our work might cause. Someone or something that has been in the news for a brief period is not necessarily a suitable subject for an article in their own right." Strothra (talk) 02:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Delete: I fail to see how he is notable. Notable relatives, yes. I don't find his petty criminal record, his volunteer work, nor his political endorsements, a sufficient reason to call him notable. - Rjd0060 (talk) 02:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Being related to an elected official and being arrested do not satisfy WP:BIO. 04:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edison (talk • contribs)
- Weak Keep As the article currently stands, there are reliable and verifiable sources to satisfy the Misplaced Pages:Notability standard. As happens far too often, WP:BLP is abused to mean any article about any living person that has anything that might be considered negative, which is simply not the case. Apparently, the media has found Jeb Jr. sufficiently newsworthy to merit coverage over an extended period of time on a variety of subjects, which addresses the potential issues from the also-irrelevant WP:NOT#NEWS. I will consider amending my vote as additional sources are added. Alansohn (talk) 05:04, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- DELETE: This article is primarily being used in a defamatory manner and is generally biased. I can pull up the address of my local hardware store on-line and in the Yellow Pages but that still doesn't make it notable. A tabloid or newspaper story does not make him notable either, nor does relationship to his father. This article somewhat smacks of a semi-political agenda in order to add defamation to his family's character. I got drunk, had sex and got caught and my father was a politician but that still isn't good enough to put it on Wiki.--Iconoclast Horizon 05:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment-"He had sex, got drunk, went to college, and now works for a living"; that is not notable by itself.---Iconoclast Horizon 07:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This is the Third AfD attempt for this page and it follows an incorrect attempt to PROD it after the first two attempts failed. Moheroy (talk) 06:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - See WP:NOTAGAIN.--WaltCip (talk) 12:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment -Also, just because this is the third attempt and the other two failed is not a valid argument.---Iconoclast Horizon 07:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete consensus can change, and I believe in this case it should. The coverage of him is trivial at best. It ammounts to two blips on a police blotter. At best, this should be merged into his father's article. There isn't enough here to build an article around. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 07:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. The issue for me is whether some readers would come to Misplaced Pages to get information on this subject. It's certainly true that, if he weren't related to a President and a Governor, the answer would be No. Back here in the real world, though, he is related to them, so people will be interested. I quote with approval this comment from the first AfD (with the "Keep" unbolded so as to not confuse the closing admin):
Keep as although the incidents are in one snese merely embarrassing they received international press; some of the coverage draws inferences between those episodes and more notable relatives; and some coverage questions his father's role in the lack of formal charges.. --Dhartung | Talk 22:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Also, while a renewed attempt at deletion is permitted, a third attempt in less than a year seems excessive to me. At a minimum, the nominator in such a situation should notify those who participated in the previous discussions. JamesMLane t c 09:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - non-notable Bushcruft. Misplaced Pages isn't for documenting teenage sexual indiscretions of the nephews of the famous.--Doc 11:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Obvious keep. Nephew to the President and son of one of the most prominent governors, heir to political dynasty (notability may not be inherited but political dynasties are and he's clearly received some of his family's fame), significant independent coverage in major news outlets of his political endorsements and relationship to 2008 presidential race (CBS, Wall Street Journal, Slate) Whatever his earlier claims to notability and whatever happened in the prior 2 decisions to keep, as of now his notability is his political connections and is clearly sourced and satisfies WP:BIO on that.Wikidemo (talk) 11:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Two news stories don't make an article. The article focuses on two gossipy incidents - there doesn't seem to be enough material to write a balanced biography - creating WP:BLP problems. WjBscribe 12:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete so he's the youngest son of a US Governor, that doesn't make him notable. The two minor brushes with the law also don't make him notable. RMHED (talk) 13:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BLP- reads as quite a smear in its current form, as there isn't much to say about him apart from his arrests. Plus notability is not inherited.Merkinsmum (talk) 13:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Apart from the arrest
scould he be considered notable? And if that's the sole reason for his notability doesn't that violate WP:BLP1E?? Xymmax (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- As a follow-up, for the incident that occurred at age 16, he was not even arrested...Xymmax (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, fails WP:BIO. Doctorfluffy (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)