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An idea for consideration

I see you've been blocked. This discussion is moot. - Jehochman 08:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi; thanks for your support to my RfA, which closed successfully at (51/1/2). I'll keep this brief since I don't like spamming anyone: I'll work hard to deserve the trust you placed in me. Thanks again. — Coren  23:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Hospital VIA

Hi Jehochman; with regards to the speedy deletion of this article, I'm not sure how a job title classifies as a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content (or blatant advertising, as was previously tagged). I removed any references to specific hospitals. There seems to be enough material on the subject, even if it eventually turns out to be unnotable, but that's a different matter. Marasmusine (talk) 08:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The way it was written, and the totally irrelevant Google results I saw for the term seemed to support the tagging rationale, but if you would like to restore it, be my guest. Perhaps a better title would help. Happy editing. - Jehochman 08:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Birendra Shah

Howdy, I noticed you had just deleted the Birendra Shah from CSD. It seems reasonable, since the article said virtually nothing. However, I think the subject is fairly notable, and was just about to remove the speedy and add a sentence or two describing the subject. Would you mind terribly if I recreated it and added some notes about the notability (briefly, Shah was killed by Maoists in Nepal a week or two ago, seemingly related to his journalism ). Thanks, --TeaDrinker (talk) 08:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

When creating a new page, be sure to assert notability before you save it. That will avoid problems like this. I have recreated it for you and added the hangon tag. Please leave a note on the talk page soon, or it may be re-deleted again by somebody else. - Jehochman 08:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I would have recreated it myself but I didn't want to step on your toes (I was running through C:CSD when I saw it). I replied to your note on the article talk page. Certainly, given what was on the page, your deletion was well justified. It just happened I googled the name as well and found "the rest of the story" as they say. Thanks again, --TeaDrinker (talk) 10:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive blocks

I am concerned that you seem to have taken on a course of actions outside of consensus and and the processes of Misplaced Pages. You appear to have arbitrarily decided that certain contributors are problematic and are executing blocks without prior discussion or warning the "offender". I shall be reviewing the case of User:Academy Leader to see if any Misplaced Pages rules, policies or guidelines have been violated . LessHeard vanU (talk) 11:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)(edited by LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC))

Less, I suggest you review the case first, before you jump to conclusions and leave ill considered "warnings". I suggest you take your concerns to the thread I started at WP:ANI for the purpose of discussion this matter. - Jehochman 15:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

For the record, the block has received strong support from uninvolved administrators. Not only is the "warning" premature, it is also factually incorrect. Thank you. - Jehochman 16:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC) (modified 06:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC))

I am responding in regard to your message on my talkpage; I regret that I feel I am unable to refactor my warning at this stage for the reasons requested. I would comment that you are requesting the sort of prior discussion that is absent from your actions which gave rise to my issuing a warning. Either process is followed or it isn't.

Please note that my concerns are not with the use of the alternative accounts but with your actions. I did indeed check whether Academy Leader was issued with a warning, or if there were any prior discussions noted that would have indicated that your actions had consensus. The support from other admins for the reasons (and I would query that they are uninvolved as far as interpretation of what constitutes disruptive editing and the use of alternative accounts) is therefore irrelevant.

Notwithstanding the above I am going to refactor my warning, as I am unable to argue the case of the requirement of correct process if I am not going to follow it myself. I am perturbed by your insinuation that my good faith actions were meant to intimidate, and your request that I not cause further "disruption" on your talkpage by presumably responding as I now have. I shall be conducting all further discourse at the other forums, unless you initiate further discussion here or at my talkpage (which of course you are welcome to do). LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

File:Dainsyng.gif Less, I've always liked you. You are welcome to post here. I've adjusted my remarks, and no, I don't think you were acting on bad faith at all. - Jehochman 20:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot

This arbitration case has now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Sadi Carnot is banned for one year, and the remaining parties are encouraged to "move forward from this unfortunate incident with a spirit of mutual understanding and forgiveness". For the arbitration committee, David Mestel 12:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Big5Hunter

Hello, I guess by you not replying to my question you did not investigate this in the first place when I asked? DTM142 has harrassed and deleted disscions just because he is anti hunting (View history of hunting etc). He does not understand the topic especially CITES and its effect on transportation. Then because I discussed the topic CITES started by poligamy4 he started harassing deleting the subject repeatedly. It there one set of rules for users and admins like him can do what they want and other admins wont pull them up when they have gone offline? Will you just delete this and not bother replying like you said you would?--203.192.91.4 (talk) 08:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Oh I have never shot anything illegally and from what poligamy4 said he never did. This was claimed by DTM142. Which is defaming on his part. Are admins allowed to use wikipedia to defame people? I would think this is against the rule or if not atleast somthing he should be talked too about?--203.192.91.4 (talk) 08:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Problem?

If I read correctly, you are now indicating that my voluntary withdrawal from that dispute is now enforceable as a defacto topic ban, and that DS just needs to link to this unresolved AN/I entry to report a "problem" with me? I never had a COI on Ted Frank's articles, my edit history on those pages is absolutely clean, and the editor on the other side of the dispute has been warned by 4 admins and an arbitrator to stay away. Yet I am the one who is to be watched? How does that happen? I tried to resolve the dispute civilly on that article's talk page, and he turned it into a war, then escalated to AN/I - and even as I am the one voluntarily backing off to avoid a monster drama, you tell David that my concession is enforceable?

Please tell me what I should have done differently, because honestly, I'm at a loss. It seems the only alternative I had was to ignore it, and let an editor add negative material to multiple articles related to the person with whom he had just had a very heated conflict. And doing it even though 5 respected users asked him not to.

I'm done with it, you can be sure of that, but please tell me what I should have done so I can avoid these "problems" in the future. ATren (talk) 16:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, just read your response on AN/I. Your original wording seemed to be making a judgement, which was a concern to me because I honestly don't know what I did wrong. Thank you for clarifying. :-) ATren (talk) 16:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you please tell me why you suspect I am a troll? You did not make that statement on the previous thread, yet you seem to have made a judgement, which is unfair since I have no idea why. Please tell me why, so that I may defend myself. And, FWIW, I did not report Calton. ATren (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I refactored my comment before you posted here. I don't know if you are a troll or not, but there certainly was a case made by somebody who thinks so. In any case, I used softer language. What do you think about Calton? I don't like blocks placed without evidence. - Jehochman 20:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

He misunderstood me. I think he saw the AN/I thread and reverted me - but he reverted to a version that had the quote misattributed to the wrong person. When I corrected him (it was purely a factual error), he thought I was being argumentative. My attempts to resolve it did not sway him. I thought it was uncivil, but I just deleted the thread and moved on. Is it block-worthy? I don't know, that's not for me to decide - this is my first interaction with this editor; others know him better.

BTW, your comment still says "consider the source", but I didn't report this, so I'm not the source. Also, if you do have concerns about my behavior, I'd appreciate a dialog so I can defend myself. It's clear you have doubts about my intentions. ATren (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Understood. - Jehochman 21:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Jehochman. :-) ATren (talk) 21:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Company may be trying to conceal negative media reports

Hello, Jehochman. Just noticed that the article VFS India may need to be checked for NPOV. Looks like an anonymous user is trying to delete recent media reports, and at the same time making this entry look more like an advert. I've undone some of the changes, and I see the item has been tagged. Links to blog posts unless by prominent sources shouldn't be in there. Question is, how to you inform or warn an anonymous user with a changing IP address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindavin (talk • contribs) 07:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on WT:AN

Hey, you posted something in response to the subpages section on WT:AN that caught my eye. Would it be possible to make a template of the form {{friv|waaaaaahmbulance}} that would automatically place that "frivolous, try DR instead" box around the text of "waaaahmbulance"? I suck at templates, so I was wondering if you knew how. ⇒SWATJester 08:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You can make copies of these: {{coit}} (top) and {{coib}} (bottom). One goes at the top of the post, and the other goes at the bottom. - Jehochman 20:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

If the requester is looking for a general method of boxing up comments, then {{hat}} and {{hab}} are simpler to use and make no reference to COI issues. Hat stands for 'hidden archive top'. Though this template is used at WP:DRV there is nothing about DRV in the message; you write your own message. EdJohnston (talk) 21:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but I don't want to have to do two templates. I want it to be a piped template, so I can simply put the text of whatever I'm going to say after the pip. {{frivolous | like this}} or {{frivolous | 1= like this}}. ⇒SWATJester 09:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

The two template solution works best because it won't choke if there's a link or a diff in the text that you want to collapse. - Jehochman 10:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI

Just a thanks for refactoring this page- it was getting a pain to locate items. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 13:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. There were mixed reviews, and the debate is still going strong. - Jehochman 10:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

User:85.5.180.48

Hey, Jehochman - are you going to fix this? Thanks. Videmus Omnia 16:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Never mind - thanks! Videmus Omnia 16:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

He seems to have blanked some other posts, and I thought it was impersonation because a comment from Durova appeared at the top, and I missed the matching comment lower down in the left column. - Jehochman 16:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I saw that - thanks for the reply. An apology for the bad block would probably be a nice thing to do, though. Videmus Omnia 17:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. - Jehochman 17:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to policy pages

Please do not edit policy pages of disputes that you might be seen to be involved in. I do not want to block you, but I shall have to if such actions continue. This is your final warning. Physchim62 (talk) 18:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I note your warning. I'm not clear what this is about. I wouldn't have thought this was a problem since everybody on the discussion was in agreement. Can we discuss this or ask somebody to help us sort it out? - Jehochman 18:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Deus Ex Machina's Heartfelt Support Barnparagraph

Jehochman, I've noticed you on AN/I and other boards and articles which I frequent, and I just want to compliment you on your stellar work as an admin, no matter what other people might say. You've got a heart of gold and the best of intentions (not the "road to hell paved" kind, either), and I just want to thank you for making Misplaced Pages a better place, despite all the nationalists, POV-pushers, trolls, vandals and griefers. Well done. :) DEVS EX MACINA _pray 23:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. That means a lot to me. - Jehochman 03:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

For your interest and my peace

I was one of the Durova victims, first a sock of one, then a sock of another. No proof, no anything, just her own selfish motivation, more than likley stemming from some off balance sheet need to prove her own worth to the world. In need of help, she is. Songgarden in Deutschland, nicht vahr? 84.133.230.102 (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

So prove her wrong. Don't be disruptive or act badly. If you are not banned, you can start a new account and do good work. If you are banned, go to another Wikiproject (e.g. WikiNews) and do good work for a while, and then apply for reinstatement here. Best of luck. - Jehochman 03:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Isn't she also open to recall? If people are having problems with her, then she has made herself open to be reviewed by the community (something which more admins should do), and they should do it that way instead of posting accusations along talk pages. I don't have an opinion either way, I don't know Durova, but she is certainly prolific around here. DEVS EX MACINA _pray 04:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I suspect that a lot of people have been ignoring the !! debate because it is about a mistaken block that was reversed about an hour later. Folks would have been better served by sending a quiet email to Durova saying, "This was a mistake because... and please fix it." I imagine that a recall would fail because Durova has helped so many people over the years, and they will all come out to support her. - Jehochman 04:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• Jehochman, you and others have stated that perhaps a statement from the Arbitration Committee on this matter would help provide some resolution to this. Perhaps someone should open a request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration ? Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 11:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC).
  • (I do not wish to be a party to the Arbitration because it really does not concern me, but perhaps someone should open the request?) Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 11:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC).

• Indeed. Either Durova can file herself, or !!, or one of the people who requested recall can do so. People need to go to dispute resolution, or stop complaining. This issue has been discussed ad nauseum. - Jehochman 12:03, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

• I agree. But I don't want to comment on that active page, which at this point seems to be a pointless exercise in verbal abuse. I am actually surprised Godwin's law has not had an effect yet. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (talk) 12:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC).

Please strikethrough

Jehochman, please strikethrough your comment at Giano's talk page. I appreciate your loyalty, but I think it'd be better if you withdrew it. Durova 23:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

If you wish. This dispute hardly needs more flames. - Jehochman 00:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jehochman

I am a new user on Misplaced Pages with extensive experience in SEO, in addition to other fields.

I was looking over the Search engine optimization consultants and while it is good I belive it needs to be updated with new faces out there.

Some of the people I like others I hate, but they are the new breed of SEOs that SEO community respects and follows.

I recommend to nominate

Rand Fishkin www.seomoz.org

Vannesa Fox www.vanesafoxnude.com

David Naylor www.davidnaylor.co.uk

Andy Beard Andybeard.eu

Sebastian sebastians-pamphlets.com

Michael Gray www.wolf-howl.com

These are the most prominent and active SEOs in the industry. I believe each one of them deserves a page in WikiPedia. Igor Berger (talk) 14:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Here are my thoughts:

Rand Fishkin - Had a page, but he requested deletion.

www.seomoz.org

Vanessa Fox - Has a page, I created it.

www.vanesafoxnude.com

David Naylor (technologist) - Most likely notable. Please start a page.

www.davidnaylor.co.uk

Andy Beard - Most likely notable. Please start a page

Andybeard.eu

Sebastian - Who? Show me references. Maybe I am dense.

sebastians-pamphlets.com

Michael Gray (technologist) - Possibly notable. Make sure it is referenced.

www.wolf-howl.com

I recommend working one at a time, and including at least three references from reliable, independent sources (See WP:V). If you create five stubs at once, they all may get deleted. It is better to create a start class article if you can. Provide more details and reliable sources to show that the topic is notable. See Jill Whalen as an example.

You may want to create pages in your userspace, and then move them into mainspace. User:Igorberger/David Naylor. You can click that link to get started.

Here's a useful tool. http://www.jehochman.com/wpcite/ This is a Firefox add-on that will automatically create inline reference code for whatever web page that you are looking at. When you find a news story about one of these subjects, use that tool to create reference code. At the bottom of the article, create a references section, and use {{reflist}} to automatically generate the list of references.

Good luck, and ask me for help any time you need it. - Jehochman 15:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your advise, and it will be very interesting to do it objectivly. But it will require a lot of work, so I hope I can adopt a user to help me with this.

As far as Sebastian is, who is he? He is very popular and has a very strong voice in the SEO community. He has many many followers who respect him and listen to him. But who is he? He knows his stuff inside out and rely very good. He has connections to Google, and Googlers listen to him. But who is he? Igor Berger (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Jehochman I have added some new changes on Vanessa page, and also nominated Google Webmaster Central for a page, because it is very important for Google in alerting Webmasters of changes at Google. Before you cut and slash, talk with me here, or in email. If my grammar, structure, or syntax, is wrong please correct it. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 11:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I started building a page for Adam Lasnik but it was speedy deleted, I should have consulted you first, I am sory.

Can we build a page for Adam Lasnik or is there a request to WikiPedia, by him not to have pege?

I was just instructed to have a finished version built in a sandbox before bringing it public. How do I bring it public, do I just move it?

Also before building any pages, I like to have a senior editor nomination for the page, as to not waste time, playing in the sandbox. Igor Berger (talk) 14:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay so what will be your opnion on making Adam Lasnik page? Or shuold I post the question to the community? articles for creation Igor Berger (talk) 14:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Sabastian being congratulated by Google at for his help at Google Webmaster Help Group —Preceding unsigned comment added by Igorberger (talk • contribs) 13:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Sebastian claims to be an IT consultant in his Google Webmaster Help Group profile for smart-it-consulting.com Sebastian GWHG profile About Smart IT Consulting Services is a brand of Virtual Brains Inc., no imformation on VB Inc. ?

Looks like we dealing with primary SEOs that are on consultant page already, secondary professional SEO's that are notable that we have nominated, and tertiary New Age SEOs that are supported and aknowledge by Google, but may not be notable.

The tertiary SEOs use Gorila WarFare as their SEO practices techniques.

Now that the SEO has being diasected and brought out in the open, I will procede slowly with the pages that we nominated first.

Thank you,fyi, Igor Berger (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Article about Misplaced Pages at SearchEngineJournal.com

Hi Jonathan, I believe that you will find my (long) article at SEJ from today interesting. It is titled: Misplaced Pages Article Quality Assessment and Ranking Tips for Users and Search Engine Engineers. Check it out and add a comment if you see something missing or if you have additional recommendations that would be helpful for either users of Misplaced Pages and/or search engine engineers from Google and other search engines. :). Thanks and Cheers! --roy<sac> .oOo. 21:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Need help with a page, from cd50.

Hello Jehochman, this is actually Writer1400 from the Toto page, I've had to use a different account to contact you so the person I want to report can't track me down because he has a real problem with me. I believe the user TheHYPO is violating the rule Misplaced Pages:Ownership of articles for the Barenaked Ladies page. He has basically taken complete ownership of the page. He almost never allows anyone to touch the page other than himself. Any edit that is done by another user has to be gone over by him and if he doesn't like it, it automatically comes out even though some of the edits are improvements. I was able to get in a few small edits but I had to agrue with him for a long time to do so and I've actually improved the page alot with my edits. The page as he had it had very few sources and lots of unsourced sentences.

Could you look at the page and see what you think? I know last time I had a problem with him(a different problem) you refered me to someone else but I really think it would be best if you handled this. You did an excellent job and I know everything will turn out good if you handle it. Thanks alot. Cd50 (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

Jehochman, you have been named in an arbitration case. Please add a statement when you can. Dmcdevit·t 11:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)