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| :You guys and making compromises? When and where? Especially Space Cadet is constantly edit warring, even adding Polish names to places in Kaliningrad Oblast, like ]. The vote is clear on that: It's Danzig in 1308. Show me articles on the town that have double naming, then I may consider discussing a name change. And now, move back to original naming.-- ] ] 12:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | :You guys and making compromises? When and where? Especially Space Cadet is constantly edit warring, even adding Polish names to places in Kaliningrad Oblast, like ]. The vote is clear on that: It's Danzig in 1308. Show me articles on the town that have double naming, then I may consider discussing a name change. And now, move back to original naming.-- ] ] 12:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::Tylża was a part of the Polish fief ] therefore is sharing a Polish/German history, therefore a Polish name according to the Gdańsk vote. You German ultranationalists only like the Gdańsk vote when it serves your purposes, but you forget that it works both ways. What doyou mean show you an article? Every article that talks about the history of the western and northern ] territories has double naming. ], ], ], ] e tutti quanti. You're new here or something? Don't play dumb on us (the Misplaced Pages Community) now! ] (]) 16:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Danzig or Gdańsk?
This is indeed an interesting case; since it it the very takeover of Danzig/Gdańsk that led to the city's Germanization and this event marks the change of Gdansk to Danzig in our wiki nomenclature. Therefore should this article be named 'Teutonic takeover of Danzig' or Teutonic takeover of Gdańsk'? I think that since the city name before the takeover was Gdańsk, it would be logical to use the G version. We may also avoid this trouble by using a neutral name like Polish-Teutonic War (1308–1309).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 15:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Polish-Teutonic War (1308–1309) is a neutral only in the sense that the Royal Polish forces were not involved at all in the takeover. The Poles did not fight the Order, they were supposed to drive the Brandenburgers away from the town, which was not accomplished. That failure could be covered in Polish-Brandenburgian War (1308) if needed. As for the town naming, the vote, which I had looked up to make sure to pick the consensus name, requires to use "Gdańsk before 1308" and "Danzig between 1308 and 1945". If we ignore the vote in this case in order to determine the name used around 1308, then Historical documents suggest "Danzc (1263), Danczk (1311, 1399, 1410, 1414-1438)". As for "the takeover led to the city's Germanization", well, I started the article to initiate a better coverage of this important event and its time frame than the general article on the city and its history currently can provide. Capital of the Pomeranian Duchy (1138–1294/1308) is a starter, though, maybe parts can be merged in here for a better background. -- Matthead O 23:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- I believe this article needs to go through WP:RM.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 20:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Frankly, the only thing that needs to get fixed is the pre-1308 part of the "vote" above, where Polish POV only prevailed because this early era was not yet covered properly with sources back in 2005. Are there any sources for the claimed use of Polish names at all? I have seen none. How about Dgańska, whatever that is? I've seen Polish sources reporting about existing evidence for German name versions, e.g. "Dantzike" in the pre-1308 era. Besides, your edit is a really good laugh, as you are calling the GDR edition of a work of this author mentioned here a "German source". Freudian slip maybe, as the person had worked in Krakau, Posen and Thorn? How about this or that: Dansko 1180, Dansk, Gdanensis 1209, Dancek, Gdanensis 1224, Danceke 1263, Dantsik, etc. There was exactly one takeover of the city that led to an "X-ization", and that was in 1945. As in 1308, 1410, 1456, 1918, Poles needed others to do the fighting. And again, Kashubians and Germans were slaughtered, not absent Poles.-- Matthead DisOuß 14:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I find the name proposed by Space Caded (Teutonic takeover of Danzig (Gdańsk)) a reasonable compromise. For the event which marks the name shift to use both is quite reasonable.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:08, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
- You guys and making compromises? When and where? Especially Space Cadet is constantly edit warring, even adding Polish names to places in Kaliningrad Oblast, like Tilsit. The vote is clear on that: It's Danzig in 1308. Show me articles on the town that have double naming, then I may consider discussing a name change. And now, move back to original naming.-- Matthead DisOuß 12:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- Tylża was a part of the Polish fief Ducal Prussia therefore is sharing a Polish/German history, therefore a Polish name according to the Gdańsk vote. You German ultranationalists only like the Gdańsk vote when it serves your purposes, but you forget that it works both ways. What doyou mean show you an article? Every article that talks about the history of the western and northern Polish territories has double naming. Prussian Confederation, Royal Prussia, Ducal Prussia, Bogusław Radziwiłł e tutti quanti. You're new here or something? Don't play dumb on us (the Misplaced Pages Community) now! Space Cadet (talk) 16:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)