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Welcome my brother (APO).

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I see you have already found the userbox. :) I'm one of the people who ends up editing the Alpha Phi Omega page more than most, I guess. I'm an alumnus of Kappa Chapter at Carnegie-Mellon U. (Pledged Fall 1986) Naraht 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you involved with the APO prospect group at Parkland College? Naraht 03:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I hope that Alpha Alpha @ UIUC is helping. Naraht 11:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Eagle list

Could you please start an article, even if a stub, on Richard Herman, whom you added to the list of Eagle Scouts? It's not good to have red links in a featured list. Thanks.Rlevse 10:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Scouting

You are invited to participate in WikiProject Scouting, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about Scouting and Guiding. You may sign up at the project members page, or sign up for our newsletter. More information General information Main project page Main project talk Scope Announcements Deletions Merges and renames New articles Requests Todo list Article showcase Country and region articles Portal Style Scouting-related articles Processes Article incubator Article maintenance Non-English article names Using images Media rationales Using references Indexes Resources Categories Templates Userboxes Project organization Coordinators Members Member recognitions Assessment V1.0 Scouting project statistics V1.0 Scouting quality lists V1.0 Scouting daily logs V1.0 Index Peer review Adopt-an-article Task forces Girl Guiding and Scouting Philmont Scout Ranch v t e

Also, see my response to your stub camp article entry.Rlevse 11:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for joining the project. Could you list yourself and your interests here: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Scouting/Members.Rlevse 18:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Jonti Picking AfD

Hi, I noticed you nominated Jonti Picking for AfD. However, it appears this article was up for AfD in 2005 and the page Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jonti Picking is therefore out of date. You need to create the page Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jonti Picking (2nd nomination) to re-nominate and update the links on the article itself and the AfD listing. (Although personally I think this AfD is a lost cause, I have to say - he is well-known for Weebl & Bob and the page passed easily last nomination). -- Mithent 22:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha

Restoring the article to its status before the disputed content was raised is not vandalism or unconstructive. Misplaced Pages rules allow for the unwanted change to be reverted and then a disussion should take place on the article's talk page. The article should remain in this state until a consensus has been reached by the editors. I believe the discussion is on-going on the NPHC talk page, so it should not have been reverted by you or Narahat (or something similar). Thank You.--Ccson 03:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I've asked Ccson as well: please stop calling each other vandals. Misplaced Pages:Avoid the word "vandal". Neither of you are vandalizing the article, so stop the namecalling. ··coelacan 04:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Justin, I saw your question at the Alpha Phi Alpha Talk page regarding Skip Mason. Mason is not the Fraternity's Historian; he is instead College Archivist for Morehouse College and Alpha Phi Alpha's Chairman of the National Historical Commission. He is also author of Talented Tenth: The Founders and Presidents of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. hope that answers your question re: reliability.-RoBoTam 16:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

"Notable" and "Famous"

The words "Notable" and "famous" do not set a consistent standard, they just provide a pretext for disputes. They are a total waste of space. I suggest that an appropriate and enforceable standard would be to insist that there are no red links. That way the standards applied will be those agreed by the whole commuity on Misplaced Pages:Articles for discussion. Honbicot 02:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

lamda pi upsilon

I deleted this article as

1. A copyright infringement from here
2. Blatantly promotional material, with no attempt to be encyclopaedic (we...)

Both of these are criteria for speedy deletion Jimfbleak 05:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

List of collegiate secret societies

Jimmy Wales is extremely clear. "Don't just put a citation needed tag on something, remove it, and make the person with the claim prove their claim." Corvus cornix 02:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If the WikiProject can't follow the inviolate policies of Misplaced Pages, it doesn't deserve to exist. Just what am I "disrupting"? Follow WP:V and there's no problem. Don't follow WP:V, and you are not editing in good faith. Corvus cornix 21:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:V is being followed, you are disrupting by blanket-deleting non-negative information without giving reasonable time to provide references rather than discussing the matter on the talk page, as WP:V suggests. Tagging with {{fact}} or {{not verified}} is clearly written as acceptable policy. You are going way too far on this, and editors are objecting. I suggest you stop and try to build community and enhance Misplaced Pages instead of trying to turn it to your own personal interpretation of WP:V, which is not editing in good faith. Justinm1978 21:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales, founder of Misplaced Pages, has said of this: "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced.. Corvus cornix 21:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

So you are noting that part of the policy, but completely ignoring the paragraph above it which supports my viewpoint, as well as that of other editiors contributing to the article and discussion. How about contributing to the article and enhancing it instead of blanket-deleting aspects of it simply because you don't agree with the method of WP:V? Justinm1978 00:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides, what's the big deal? If you have sources, write a sourced article, and it's all okay. If you have no sources, we can not have the speculative information in Misplaced Pages. Corvus cornix 22:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

How can I contribute to the article, when even its strongest supporters admit that there is no reliable information for the claims? Corvus cornix 00:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I've thought about this overnight. How about if I restore the redlinks and put a "citation needed" tag on all of them? How long would you think the tag should stay before the item gets deleted due to lack of verifiable sources? Corvus cornix 15:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

That I would agree with. My best guess, especially with the fact that college is out of session so information isn't always easy to come by, would be a month at the max. If we can't find anything in that amount of time, then I agree that they're not notable enough to be mentioned and deserve to be deleted. Justinm1978 16:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

All right, what I will do is tonight, restore the red links, then we can set a date for, say, the first of August for further review? Corvus cornix 17:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Works for me, let's go ahead and place something in the top of the article saying that they've got until Aug 1 to get some references, otherwise anything unreferenced is subject to deletion. I think it's a fair collaboration (win-win) and thank you for being willing to work toward this solution. Justinm1978 19:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll report it on the Talk page. I am trying to be fair!  :) Corvus cornix 20:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yay!

Looks like Baird's carried the day!Naraht 20:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Not really, I simply suggested this be the test. But since you're not sure if its based on title Ix or Bairds, you can't change APA until the decision is solidified and the litmus test is agreed to by all editors and all groups are subject to the same standard. When we're ready to update the infobox regarding type, let's leave APA as it has been.--Ccson 14:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for participation in a Mediation Cabal case

John bambenek

Hi, you recently blanked this page. If you feel the redirect that was there is inappropriate, you can nominate it for deletion using the Proposed deletion process or submit it to redirects for discussion if it's likely to be contested. Blanking the page is not appropriate and I have therefore restored the original redirect. Thanks. → AA — 10:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Revision and WP:TALK

Per, WP:TALK, specifically the Omega Psi Phi discussion which is not relevant to improving the article can be removed. Please do not make this into a revert war. Thanks. Miranda 00:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Secret Societies

Looks like the anon has added back the tags to the list section. I don't think continually reverting is a permanent solution. I think this should be brought to an admin's attention as the personal attacks have made the page impossible to work on. I wanted to get you opinion as to the best way to go about this. Let me know. --Daniel J. Leivick 03:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, I put the page up for protection, and was told to just watch and revert because it's not enough to warrant protection. You can try if you want, and I'll support your opinion, but I wouldn't get your hopes up though. If protection/admin intervention fails, I'll keep watching/reverting in the hopes they'll eventually go away. Justinm1978 03:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

RFCU

The RFCU you filed here shows no diffs as evidence for a checkuser. Could you supply some as evidence on the case page? MSJapan 17:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you do need to cite them. Remember, the CU is not as familiar with the situation as the filer, and the CU also can't spend a long time trying to figure out exactly what edits are the problem. You do this by showing diffs. If you know how to do this, skip the next paragraph.

To cite diffs: go to the edit history, and select two consecutive versions via the radio buttons, and click the button at the top that says "compare". That will open up a new page. Take that new page's URL, paste it into the case page, and stick brackets on it. Add a timestamp or something else descriptive to it, and repeat until you feel you have enough material to illustrate your point. MSJapan 23:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

POV Statement

I fail to see how my edit to Tribe of Mic-O-Say was a "POV Statement". StaticElectric 19:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. I'd put that in the OA article but I left my handbook at home when I went off to college. StaticElectric 19:47, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

MedCab Case

I offered to mediate the current case you are involved in here. I would appreciate a response. Sincerely, --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 03:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible solution to Mediation Case

is listed here. Please list your thoughts. Miranda 22:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I marked this as closed. Miranda 05:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit Summary for recent revert

Hi. I noticed that this morning, you reverted an edit over at Chief Illiniwek with the edit summary of rvv from anon IP. I understand entirely that the recent set of edits that have gone back and forth are rehashing old ground on the article, but please assume good faith. To me it's a real stretch to call the edit you reverted vandalism as it's clear that the editor is trying to improve the article as he sees it. -- Upholder 14:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, dude, take it easy with the reverts. It would seem to me that the consensus on the talk page, after I *did* read it, was that mascot is a POV term, not symbol. Why include it in the article when it is clearly not necessary and there is no consensus for it, and Chief Osceola does not have one single mention of the term "mascot". Don't revert people just because you disagree with what they changed, and don't assume they haven't read the talk page. You just make yourself look like a jerk. 130.126.214.185 (talk) 23:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It's because there is no consensus that both terms belong. Mascot is POV to some and symbol is POV to others. Had you read the talk page you'd see that, and wouldn't be injecting your POV and rehashing an old argument. Justinm1978 (talk) 05:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Fellow Greek

Just wanted to say hello, I'm new to Misplaced Pages and you've made a couple of comments to me. I wanted to say, I have no issue with anyone changing the page obviously anyone can edit, but as a proud member of the organization I would like the information to be correct as I'm sure you would with your organization. Yes, some of the books are reliable sources and some are not. Alpha Kappa Alpha does not publish everything for the public, some items are for the public only and some are for members only, which clearly states in our by-laws that we cannot share with the public. A couple of the items stuck out to me, because only a member would know them which is why I asked the editor if she was a member. No harm, no foul. Just very passionate about my sorority, my Redskins and the list goes on (smile). I do know a few members of your organization, pretty cool people!Knicksfan4ever 14:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

DST Founder Pages

Hello!!! Are citations the same as footnotes? Can you provide an example. Thanks HistoricDST 00:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

Please do not revert me when I remove PRODS. Prods can be removed. If this is you logging out from an IP address to put prods on pages that I am working on, I find that to be very disruptive, because I am trying to make an article an FA. Miranda 00:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Miranda is right--anyone can remove a prod for any reason, and it cannot be added back. See WP:PROD. The thing to do now is to send the articles to WP:AFD. I cannot imagine that all the articles in question will be found notable, unless more information is provided, but that is the only way to remove them. If you need any help , let me know. DGG (talk) 03:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I have given Mirand some advice on her talk page that you might want to bear in mind, about what is and is not likely to be considered notable. I suggest you are selective in what you nominate for AfD--start with the least notable. All I can give is advice about the way things are likely to be seen here, and I give her as well as you the most accurate advice that I can, but what will happen at AfD is never predictable.. DGG (talk) 04:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Nellie Pratt Russell

Hi. I encourage you both to step back from the brink. --A. B. 20:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh :) I agree, and that's why I moved the "discussion" away so it doesn't taint the vote on what I'm trying to accomplish. Justinm1978 20:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Being sarcastic about somebody (Surprise, surprise....if Miranda doesn't like someone making a change, then it must be disruptive.) and then, in the same paragraph, asking them to be civil seems to me to be contradictory. If you wish people to be civil to you, please help them do this by being civil yourself. I have no background on the dispute myself, but when I see people acting like that it tends to skew my sympathies to the other side. Tim Vickers (talk) 23:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That's how I read it. Maybe as you say, not what you meant, but that's how it seemed. Anyway, things seem to have calmed down a little on the AfD now. Tim Vickers (talk) 00:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Justin, withdraw this arguably unfair AfD, and relist them separately. Some of them are notable. I will certtainly support some of the deletions, but not all of them. DGG (talk) 01:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree that this is not a fair AfD. These articles have been up for months with no real contributions. I'll consider withdrawal if consensus is unable to be reached in a few days, but as it looks right now, I think it'll go to a merge into the sorority article, or will be merged into their own article altogether. Either one of those I'll support, but at this time I have not yet been convinced that I need to change. I have no intention of giving into threats and bullying from other users (not you, but the person who is most adamant against this and is disrupting the AfD discussion with attacks on me) Justinm1978 02:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd recommend adding all the material you can find into an article on the foundation of the sorority and then when this is ready, re-listing individual articles that have no notability past being a founder. However, ones like Harriet Josephine Terry and Marie Woolfolk Taylor are much more notable than ones like Alice Murray and Marjorie Hill, so putting them all together seemed unwise. Tim Vickers (talk) 02:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know all of them might be deleted, but with such varying degrees of notability I think it would be best to do them individually. When you re-list them this will be their first individual AfD, so I'd just put first nomination. Tim Vickers (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)