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	*'''Support'''. Until we have an article on ], or the Principality, follow the most common referent in English: ]. ] <small>]</small> 03:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)		*'''Support'''. Until we have an article on ], or the Principality, follow the most common referent in English: ]. ] <small>]</small> 03:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
	*'''Support''' per ]. ]'s note shows that a native English speaker clearly familiar with the Duchy referred to it herself ''in English'' as Pless. Current Polish or German usage is of less concern here. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">]</span> 06:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)		*'''Support''' per ]. ]'s note shows that a native English speaker clearly familiar with the Duchy referred to it herself ''in English'' as Pless. Current Polish or German usage is of less concern here. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">]</span> 06:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
			*'''Support'''. Same story as in most ]. Time to clean up this mess caused by P.P. -- ] ]  11:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move

Duchy of Pszczyna → Duchy of Pless — Pless shows up more often than Pszczyna among literature written in the English language regarding its existence as a duchy and as a title. —Charles 18:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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Support As nominator. Charles 18:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Oppose' as creator, disruptive move (suggest speedy close) - see also Talk:Duchy_of_Oświęcim#Requested_move. The town was known during the times of the Duchy and is known currently as Pszczyna, not Pless.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
How is this a disruptive move? I made a change at Duchies of Silesia to reflect the English name and when the article didn't reflect that, I put it up for a move. Also, it is important distinction to make (one of language and also one of location (town vs duchy)): What is the duchy known as in English? Charles 18:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC) (same comment at Talk:Duchy of Oleśnica)

Is there any evidence for the assertions given in the move request? Knepflerle (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

No, but there is evidence for rejection of the move: in Google Print, "Duchy of Pszczyna" vs "Duchy of Pless" wins 1:0 :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Oppose per Piotrus and common sense. - Darwinek (talk) 12:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
What common sense, Darwinek? How does common sense dictate your choice of a vote? Really now. Charles 13:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Support. Until we have an article on Prince of Pless, or the Principality, follow the most common referent in English: Daisy, Princess of Pless. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Support per WP:UE. User:Pmanderson's note shows that a native English speaker clearly familiar with the Duchy referred to it herself in English as Pless. Current Polish or German usage is of less concern here. — AjaxSmack 06:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Support. Same story as in most Duchies of Silesia. Time to clean up this mess caused by P.P. -- Matthead DisOuß 11:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Although I disagree with either, I wonder: why Pless, not de:Pleß? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 12:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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