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Your Civility

Your comment to "block Hayden forever!" on this edit is against WP:CIVIL which says to not call for bans or blocks on other editors.----Tea 05:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

(Well... He did end up blocked for being racist and continuosly trying to push his POV in the articles. Oh! And attacking other users! The Ogre 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Porto

• Presumably you were referring to WP:TRIVIA when you mentioned the "rules" - as you can see from the page, facts should ideally be integrated rather than removed when possible. This is in any case a guideline - only policies can really be regarded as rules - and nowhere does it say "Trivia sections should be deleted on-sight". The points listed seem to be substantive and useful - I removed an overtly trivial point earlier today. Leave it for now, I'll edit it into the article. Deiz talk 14:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Trivia integrated. I'm against random miscellany and have been given a hard time in the past for deleting trivia sections myself - the key is to recognize when a trivia section is entirely comprised of unsourced, useless factoids, or if it contains notable information that simply wasn't properly integrated into the article. Porto is a fairly well looked after article, when a page has mutiple active editors a note on the talk page or related WikiProject noticeboard will usually get things happening. If that doesn't work, delete and leave an appropriate edit summary. Removing the info to the talk page is also helpful. Cheers, Deiz talk 15:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Sweet as.. we have scarily similar edit counts.. you've got me by about 98 right now :) Deiz talk 16:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey.

Thanks for your help. I noticed you are part of the Portugal group. Maybe you can speak portuguese, which means it is sort of strange that we keep speaking in english. By the way, I live in Évora and let me say that we here do not consider Olivenza as portuguese territory and I think it is a bit strange that Olivenza is still oficially in the district of Évora. It seems a bit odd. Anyways, good luck. If you need any help in articles about Évora or Alentejo, please ask. I'll be happy to support you in anything you need, photos or information! Filipeacaeiro 14:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Your work is appreciated

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I hereby award you this barnstar for your tireless, invaluable work here. Keep up the good work! Regards, Húsönd 15:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

European

Hi. I just made a suggestion there and I'd like your opinion but since that page is so inactive, I felt like notifying you here...KarenAER 12:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Re. Your work is also appreciated!

Thank you so much for the Barnstar, The Ogre! :-) I'm naturally very proud and grateful for this one. Keep up your excellent work as well! :-) Best regards, Húsönd 19:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Europe people

As soon as you can, please comment here Slrubenstein | Talk 03:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Gallery

I agree that we need a German. Someone pulled out the German model. But there will be objections on two issues (1) B&W photo, and (2) another politician. I didn't set these rules and don't agree with them, but without compromise we lose support from the broader base. Can we pull down your contribution and sub in another German? --Kevin Murray 17:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Can you work with me to balance the gallery,a s I think that we share the same goal. I don't see tagging it as being productive as it disrupts the visual. I agree to moving it to Commons once we have a stable product, but it's a lot of work to do while it is in flux. OK? --Kevin Murray 17:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. I tried to find a color picture of a Portugese non-politicial, but have so far failed. Any ideas? --Kevin Murray 17:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks again. --Kevin Murray 17:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Learnportuguese

Hello The Ogre. I just noticed that you've contacted Learnportuguese and gave some advice, just like me and some other editors have recently. I don't know if you already know that this user is blind (she claimed she was blind on my talk page yesterday), so Learnportuguese is naturally a newbie who will face more difficulties in getting accustomed to editing Misplaced Pages, its formats, styles, etc.. I thought I should tell you in case you didn't know. Regards, Húsönd 17:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

User Hosund is going to help me with the signature thing. Like I said, I am a blind user, so formats can be an issue with my computer. I've been typing the four tildes, and it doesn't look right 'cause I keep being accused of something I'm not intending to do.

learnportuguese 20:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese Colonies in North America

Hi. I've discovered a source of 1570 about this, that says that Portugal had a colony in Cape Breton. Take a look in the Portuguese Empire Discussion page. Greetings, Câmara 22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Pedro Álvares Cabral.jpg

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Caracóis

Tem graça que fui ao artigo depois de ler o Público e quando lá cheguei já lá estava a cena... Velho 14:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Portugal EEZ.PNG - copyright

Thanks. Have done now. Btw, what were you planning to use for your map? Is there a free basemap that shows the area? Because I was thinking of trying to do an EU one at some point. - J Logan : 16:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Desenhos

Safa, Ogre, tás não só o herói da Família, também o herói da Pátria! Só falta dedicares-te um bocadinho a Deus. Velho 22:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not kidnapped!

It's me, it really is! I wasn't kidnapped, I just developed a sense of humour (and also decided that satire is the only proper response to this little farce). I ask you to delete your own comments form the talk page as I do not want you to get in trouble for anyone suspecting that you are even seeming to accuse Fourdee of impersonating me. And I did warn Alun about this, so he knows. Sorry to have caused you any distress, it is a joke - I didn't think I would need to explain it. I guess I am a better mimic than I thought! Slrubenstein | Talk 12:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I edit conflicted with you! I was just saying the same thing. Thanks for your concern though Ogre, I appreciate it. Alun 12:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just did it again - sorry, I can't help it. maybe my spirit has been kidnapped, but if so i assure you it is by an imp who is on your side, really. I just can't take these debates seriously any more, at least not today. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC) (yes, really!)

Far be it for me to start a revert war and I know all your reasons were good ones, but I think when it is sectioned off in an "irony" section, it is less funny...The joke is in the difficulty in deciding whether it is a joke. (Being a point not about my edit, but about similar-sounding edits by other people) Slrubenstein | Talk 13:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay- but what is boring are the edits by a certain editor whom I shall not name ;) Slrubenstein | Talk 13:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey!

Wow, that is only the second barnstar I have ever gotten here in 6 years and it means a lot to me, really. I guess what really means a lot to me are your kind words. While I have had the will and time to fight on the talk page front I actually feel guilty that I have not fought on the main front - making substantive contributions to the articles. I work in the Amazon and ethnic groups of Europe let alone White people are not my main field of expertise. I recently made some additions to Ethnic group - finally, at least Weber's definition is in. May I ask what your specialties are in sociology? Perhaps you would feel competent adding to the White peoples or European Peoples' articles material on the social construction of Whiteness or White/European ethnic groups? The only book i know for Europe is Cole and Wolf's The Hidden Frontier and some books on Greek Macedonians (or Macedonian Greeks). On the White people talk page, in the section "Bias in this article" I provided a partial bibliography of works on whiteness - if you know any of them well, or other work by sociologists on whites (I guess even Gans's stuff on Italian Americans should be cited) I hope you have the time to do the work that really counts: quiet, but good, accurate, well-researched additions of content to the articles. It is a stuggle, but I'll watch your back and help out if I can. Slrubenstein | Talk 14:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, how are Ben Anderson and Ernest Gellner's works on nations and nationalism received on the Continent? Slrubenstein | Talk 14:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I hope my phrasing wasn't irritating: based on your user page I inferred perhaps wrongly that you are based in Europe. Anyway, I fully understand your personal policy about how you edit ... alas, I think these kinds of editors require very serious hobbiests, or actual social scientists who are willing to do some writing. I would encourage my own graduate students except like us they have other priorities. It's a pity ... Slrubenstein | Talk 14:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I am in the UK which is why I specify "the Continent" for continental Europe - maybe a bad habit. And in light of the debate over at European people - it always seemed to me that if India is a "subcontinent" isn't Europe also a sub-continent of Asia too? (no offence I hope). Anyway, alas, we are only a few. In the US and I suspect most places even people who claim to be utterly opposed to creationism and want evolution taught in schools do not really understand evolutionary theory and how it forces us to change our way of thinking of species, races, whatever. And it always appals me how someone who would never argue with a physicist about physics will argue with a social scientist about social theory. And here at Misplaced Pages ... Misplaced Pages would be a success if all professions and areas of expertise were equally represented among its editors, but I fear most editors are still either in IT or teenagers - and while many of them are indeed thoughtful and well-informed editors, it still means that articles on social science and humanities themes are woefully under-researched. Now: I have a grant proposal to work on. Cheers! Slrubenstein | Talk 14:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Shuar

You can't begin to imagine! If I could get my ass in gear (and away from Misplaced Pages) this weekend and write real articles (i.e. legit original research), more people would know just how interesting they are! Slrubenstein | Talk 13:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

NOR

There has been a big debate over this policy. I think you have valuable experience that makes you an important interlocutor on this matter. I suggest you forst go here for a very concise account, and then depending on how much time you have read over the WP:NOR policy and the edit conflicts that led to its being protected, or the last talk to be archived ... or just go straight to the talk page. Slrubenstein | Talk 16:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Litania dos Santos

Acaba por ter graça, mas o texto não me parece bem, até porque os acrescentos no fim já não fazem parte da litania (acho). Velho 02:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Loriga's article

Olá. Mais uma vez, o IP do costume tentou introduzir o link para os seus sites (msn.groups) no artigo nesta Wikipédia e na WikiPortuguesa. Como suspeitava, conheço este "sr." pessoalmente e tentará por todos os meios fazer valer o seu ponto de vista. Se não o conseguir, difamará a Wikipédia nos seus sites. É esperar para ver. Septrya (talk • contribs) 22:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese

I finally have the signature thing going properly! I don't know why all of a sudden it is linking properly, 'cause I've been typing four ~ characters just as indicated many many times. That was one of the first things I read on Misplaced Pages when I signed up.

Do you speak Portuguese? Have you been to Portugal or Brazil?

learnportuguese 00:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

MAKE SURE TO "WATCH" MY USER PAGE AND TALK PAGE FOR CONTINUOUS UPDATING! :)

learnportuguese 03:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Back!

Just returning your hello. We need to start a user category for this or something... Ogre lawless 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Maricas és tu

Pensei que já não escrevesses na Viquipédia... Velho 11:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit it, then send it

Just wanted to say thanks for the info given at List of countries by formation dates, but could you use the SHOW PREVIEW button 1st to make sure all you want to do is ok before using the SAVE PAGE button to submit it. It seems there were several edits done within a few minutes of each other recently. I can understand if something was missed or needed fixing though. A few spelling mistakes were also there, plus a bit long in areas, but I'll fix it up. Thanks That-Vela-Fella (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

British Latinos

Yeah, it seems that at the very least it should be renamed to "Latin British" or "Latin Britons". As to whether even this would justify keeping it, I don't know; I'm inclined to think it wouldn't, but I'll think about it some more. You should maybe give it a day or two before proposing deletion. Also, would you please check out Category:People born in Mozambique and let me know what you think? I explained its purpose in the talk page. Thanks. SamEV (talk) 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Ogre. That category was the outcome of a discussion with User:Will Beback at Talk:Teresa Heinz#Mozambican American?!. Read it when you have time, but here's a summary. He objected because I had removed categories such as Mozambican American, German-Mozambican, etc from Heinz's article. She'd been categorized as a Mozambican person just because she was born there. I explained that it's not exactly so simple. She was born at a time when that was a territory of Portugal, and she was a Portuguese citizen; she'd even moved on from Portuguese to American citizen before Mozambican nationality came to be in the 1970s and was never a Mozambican national. So we compromised: she and others with similar history would instead be categorized as "People born in Mozambique". So only those who are known for a fact to be of Mozambican nationality or ethnic Mozambican descent are put in "Mozambican people" categories (such as Category:Portuguese-Mozambican people). SamEV (talk) 17:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:British Latinos

Template:British Latinos has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Apparently there are no latin populations in Britain! More nonsense. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 01:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

On the move

I only noticed you moved "History of Latinos and Hispanics" to "History of Latinos and Hispanics in the United States" after I'd posted my comment on the Hispanics in the United States talk page. I'm considering whether the latter article should move to the corresponding title, i.e. to "Latinos and Hispanics in the United States", or some other title. How about you? Although I find the title very long (I would have preferred just "Latinos and Hispanics") and I think that it should be "Hispanic and Latino" (i.e. the reverse order), I'm for the move because at least it includes the two terms. But ... what about the fact that debate on the move was closed? Or does that just apply to that particular name that was debated? SamEV (talk) 23:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Um projecto

Olá.

Há muita confusão à volta dos termos "Latin" e "Latino", o que não é de surpreender porque têm significados múltiplos. Descobri vários artigos relacionados com eles, que não estão lá muito claros, e gostaria de fazer umas alterações, mas também gostava de ter outras opiniões, até porque por hoje estou cansado de editar artigos. Ideias:

• Quando se busca "Latin" na Misplaced Pages, vai-se bater a Latin language, o que acho bem. A página tem um link para Latin (disambiguation).
• Quando se busca "Latino" vai-se parar a esta página, o que já não me parece tão interessante. As outras referências são obscuras. Devia-se it ter a Hispanic directamente, e nessa página podia haver links para a página de desambiguação.

Outras páginas interessantes que descobri:

• Latin Union - interessante para justificar que a noção "europeia" de "Latin" tem sentido.
• Latin Europe - idem.
• Latino (demonym) - deviar ser uma ligação directa para Latino, em minha opinião.
• Latins - Editei-a um pouco, mas depois vi que duplica material de Latin (demonym). Além disso não gosto do nome, no plural, se bem que não é caso único; há também a página Franks.

Acho que tudo isto pode e deve ser arrumado e compatibilizado, mas de momento devo confessar que estou demasiado cansado. Problema: o que chamar ao artigo sobre o sentido europeu de "Latin" -- Latin peoples vai ser demasiado confuso de certeza; tem de ser uma página de desambiguação!

Gostaria que me dissesse o que acha. Cumprimentos. FilipeS (talk) 00:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Não apague mais

Caro senhor Ogre, Estou escrevendo porque o senhor modificou indevidamente duas vezes o artigo sobre Madeira. Em uma delas, disse que há milhões de livros que tratam da sua descoberta. Pessoalmente, sou especialista do assunto e não os conheço. (Seria inbteressante que o senhor publique uma parte da lista, me ajudaria muito) O interesse dos dois livros que aí estão é o de serem os únicos, no meu conhecer, que dão a versão da descoberta de acordo com o ponto de vista de Zurara. Espero que esta explicação tenha sido suficiente para que o senhor pare de apagá-los. Muito obrigado. 81.56.141.205 (talk) 03:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ogre...

go check the talk page for Latin europe. Oh and also, Bluesky mentions there how Iamandrewrice's work on it was good...i agree... and i think it is only prejudice of you to disagree just because he is now blocked, which had nothing to do with his editing skills. Just2saythis (talk) 15:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

FYI this appears from this diff to be an edit by a sockpuppet of Iamandrewrice, who is now the subject of a community WP:BAN. Tonywalton  15:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Race

Hi, I know you prefer not to work on sociological topics but would appreciate it if you could do me a favor. There has been some back-and-forth reorganizing of the article on race as a human classification and I would be very grateful if you would go over the sections on race as a social construction (there are three case-studies) primarily for clarity and style: here ... thanks, Slrubenstein Talk 00:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

race

I appreciate your looking over the section on "social construction: in the race article - I do not have anything specific in mind but I value an outsider's view and also trust that as a scoiologist if there was some gaping error you would spot it immediately. I do not think it is an issue that English is your second language - indeed, many non-native English speakers read English Misplaced Pages so it is worth trying to make the prose clear and intelligible even to non-native speakers. So that is it - I was just looking for someone knowledgable who could spot anything that is unclear or off-base. Thanks Slrubenstein | Talk 17:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays from Marlith /C

Credits: This card was inspired by Macy's123, assistant of V's Shop

Marlith /C 00:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

your civility

Stop undoing other peoples edits in the white people page just because you please so. 87.220.201.69 (talk) 20:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

dropping a line to you

Olá. I was just dropping a message because I haven't see any posts from you on my talk page for awhile. Be assured that my talk page is a friendly and dynamic environment with discussion on many aspects of the beautiful and fascinating Portuguese language. Just scroll to any section or the end of anyone's comments and type away. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 21:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

college

Olá. College term starts January 10 and so I won't be on Misplaced Pages nearly as much. I thought I'd let you know. Just put my pages on your watchlist and you can start new discussions if you want. I think it's excellent what you have contributed so far! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Learnportuguese (talk • contribs) 04:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

!

Claro que já aqui não venho (mais de duas vezes ao dia).
Velho (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC) (Olha que um tipo que te acusou de apagares demais no White people talvez tenha um nadinha de razão (sobretudo, no teu penúltimo undo). Velho (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Um comentário pouco antes do meu, intitulado "incivility", é capaz de ter aluma razão quanto aos teus edits no white people. Velho (talk) 22:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Não é isso, porra! Aqui: ((redundant with "and other countries from Europe" - Undid revision 183842836 by Ale4117 (talk))) tu cortaste um gajo que até me pareceu de boa fé.
Não estou contra isso que disseste. Mas aquele bocadinho de texto fazia referência a outros países (ou grupos étnicos). Talvez se pudesse aproveitar alguma coisa, sem faz um simples e geral undo. Velho (talk) 04:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Well, I'm a newbie here, so, I really espect that it works like this: Thanks for the Welcome :-) Cadroiolos (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Iberians

How can you say there weren't Iberians in Portugal? Are you out of your mind?

If Iberians are not the ancient inhabitants of Portugal, so who are they? Opinoso (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)