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Ibrahim Baylan

Hi Elias. I notice that you have previously edited the article on Ibrahim Baylan. If you check the article you'll see it's recently been edited by an anonymous IP, and I suspect the edit is contentious. Perhaps you'd care to revert that edit if you deem it appropriate. Knowing nothing about the politics involved myself, I'm not inclined to do it of my own accord. CaughtLBW (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Appreciated. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 01:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hey whats up, long time no speak. I know its late merry christmas and happy new year! So hows the assyrian articles goin? I'm busy right now with uni unfortunately but if you need something specific and small I can help.Tourskin (talk) 07:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

My dad is tyaraye. Nice article lol. When I can ask my dad, I'll see if i can get some info or somethin. Tourskin (talk) 07:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey what's up man, not much, they've been trying to delete the {{Assyrian-stub}}, simply because they are against our flag since we have a political goal they oppose. Check it out: Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/January/2. Happy New Year and all that, I'm kind of busy right now, talk later! — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 20:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Assyrian-stub

Would you care to point out these many stub templates you assert use the flags of political organizations? (Other than ones pertaining to a political organization that is.) The flag would certainly be appropriate for a stub type concerning the Assyrian Universal Alliance, but not for a generic Assyrian stub, since that would require accepting its POV that it speaks for all Assyrians. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

It is accepted by all Assyrians. This flag doesn't belong to the Assyrian Universal Alliance, it is not owned by them in that sense. All Assyrians use the flag. Google Assyriska FF and check out the images and you'll see how it's used on soccer games (just an example). — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 20:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Israel/Neo-Nazism

I will delete your article on Israel and neo-nazism again. Is their any special reason you made it? You probably hate Israel. (And "perhaps no"... it does not deserve any attention so keep it like that). (SebastianGS (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC))

Shlama, and thanks a lot for your personal attack on my character. I think it's notable and have reverted your edit once again. I don't hate Israel at all (I can, however, be critical of Israeli/Jewish actions based on Jewish interests sometimes, but that's mostly because I'm motivated by rationality and trying to be objective as best I can rather than a fanatic Christian supporter of Zionism similar to right-wing trash found in America). I even think Jews have a right to their own state in Israel because I'm an ethnopluralist. I did not "made" that subsection, but I am generally speaking an inclusionist and don't believe in running around and deleting well-written content from the articles here at Misplaced Pages, based on "notability", or as it seems in this case, censorship due to a controversial topic. Whoever wrote that piece in the article, I have no idea. How did you come to the conclusion that I wrote it though? För övrigt anser jag att du borde läsa WP:NPOV, med tanke på att du är av judisk bakgrund och förmodligen har svårt att hålla dig objektiv och neutral inom dylika artiklar. Välkommen till Engelska Misplaced Pages förresten, med varma hälsningar från en semitisk broder av assyriskt ursprung. Vill du ha hjälp med något så är det bara att fråga. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 13:59, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Jag visste inte vem som skrev artikeln men eftersom du var den som la tillbaka avsnittet så kom jag hit. :) Om artikeln... den är inte bra skiven. Den är bara skriven för att smutskasta Israel. Tycker du att det ska finnas sådant på Misplaced Pages? Detta handlar om ryska immigranter som inte är integrerade i Israel, och detta är självfallet ett stort problem med tanke på att Israel är beroende av immigration (för att behålla judisk majoritet). Det är dock lite lustigt... bara för att jag är jude så kommer jag ha svårt att hålla mig neutral inom vissa artiklar? Det är väl endå antisemitiskt att säga att judar har problem med NPOV! Vad är nästa steg, att säga att israelerna är de riktiga nynazisterna? Etnopluralism låter förövrigt som ett annat ord för nazism. Tycker du att alla ska hålla sig för sig själa på sin egen plats? Du är ju själv assyrier och bor i Sverige (eller?) så hur går det ihop egentligen? (SebastianGS (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC))

Du skriver att stycket Neo-Nazism#Israel är skrivet för att smutskasta Israel... Är du seriös nu alltså? Exakt vad i den texten uppfattar du som smutskastning? Hela stycket är mer eller mindre en rapportering på en jude-fientlig händelse som ägde rum i Israel för några månader sedan. Jag förstår inte vad du syftar på när du skriver att det är smutskastning; jag tror att du tar själva händelsen som sådan lite väl för personligt. Misplaced Pages är för övrigt inte censurerat: WP:CENSOR. Vad är det som är antisemitiskt med att be dig läsa på WP:NPOV? Du är ny här på Misplaced Pages och det är en policy man bör ha läst på för att förstå hur man ska skriva. Jag har själv blivit uppmanad att läsa på WP:NPOV när jag arbetat med artiklar som är relaterade till assyrier, det är bara en helt vanlig procedur. Jag skulle inte direkt påstå att Israeler är nynazister, däremot finns det ju helt klart likheter mellan Zionismen och Nazismen då de båda är nationalistiska ideologier. Men det är inget unikt för Zionismen som sådan, utan alla nationalistiska ideologier är egentligen rätt lika varandra och har liknande mål (men det ska erkännas att det finns avsevärda och fundamentalistiska skillnader mellan alla nationalistiska ideologier som man inte kan bortse ifrån). Sen finns det ju de som menar att Hitler kopierade judarna (se till exempel Kevin MacDonald). Dock ska du inte tolka detta som något slags hat eller något, jag svarar bara sakligt på dina frågor. Att likställa etnopluralism med nazismen är däremot bara nonsens. Nazisterna tror ju på Social Darwinism som knappast fungerar ihop med etnopluralism. Påstår man att nazister är etnopluralister så är man grovt okunnig om (ny)nazismen som ideologi. Anledningen till att jag förespråkar etnopluralism är helt enkelt för att jag anser att alla folkslag, däribland mitt eget, har rätt till en egen självständig stat där endast deras folk lever och där de mer optimalt kan bevara sin egen kultur, och viktigast av allt, sitt eget folk, och detta ska givetvis även gälla judar men inte bara begränsat till judar. Rent principiellt anser jag att även svenskar har rätt till deras eget land med deras eget folk, men nu är situationen som den är, jag är som assyrier statslös och jag kan inte påverka världspolitiken så som jag hade önskat, och jag har inget "Israel" att återvända till. Men jag tror helt enkelt att etnopluralism är livsnödvändig för mänskligheten; frågan är ju om mångkultur är hållbart i längden? Finns alltid risk för etniska konflikter och i längden även folkmord, som enkelt hade kunnat undvikas om alla folkslag levde i sina egna länder. Man kan ju dock fråga sig varför du är emot etnopluralism när du anser att judar ska vara majoritet i Israel? Om du tycker att alla folkslag ska leva ihopklumpade i alla möjliga länder då bör du även acceptera minoritetsstatus för judar i Israel, förutsatt att du vill vara konsekvent. Du tycker väl inte att mångkultur ska gälla för alla folkslag men endast judar ska ha rätt till sitt eget land? I så fall är det en enorm inkonsekvens på en otrolig skala, och framför allt, dubbelmoral och hyckleri. För övrigt håller jag inte med termen antisemit, då jag anser att den är felaktigt exklusiv för en semitisk folkgrupp, och att om termen Semite ska vara rådande för flera olika semitiska folkslag så bör även antisemit gälla alla semiter. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutralisation

Hi, I saw you appreciated a strict respect of NPoV and sourcing. Good. If I remember well, we do not appreciate much each other. Not Bad. I appreciate your incisive sense of humor. A second mind would be welcome here to neutralize the background of this article : .
Feel free to correct in the core of the article and then to give comments on the talk page and eventually to answer to some Zionsits of your heart :-).
Regards, Ceedjee (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I know I've bumped into you somewhere, can't remember where though. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 21:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your comments.

Don't worry about where and why we bumped. That was not in pleasant circumstances.

But I assume that if I with my bias and own minds bumped on somebody who I consider have a pro-Israeli highly disruptive pov-pushing behaviour, then he must be out of all ranges for wikipedia's quality...

I will not succeed in getting this article being developed in respect of NPoV without some support to "discuss" with him because I think I have lost all my patience with him.

So, if you still can help, I thank you in advance and I am sure other contributors will thank you too.

Regards, Ceedjee (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

lol, sorry about that. Well, I'll see what I can do. But to be honest, Palestine articles aren't exactly my top priority. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 23:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:3RR on Neo-Nazism

You are currently at 5 reverts in the last 24 hours. I assume as a user who has been here since 2004 you are aware about the policy. I suggest you self-revert. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong. My last two reverts had nothing to do with the previous reverts of mine. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 22:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. You apparently are not aware of the policy in detail. In this case, please consider this your official warning. From WP:3RR: "An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time." Having been around WP:AN/3RR, Iet me assure you that the overwhelming majority of admins will consider you as currently in violation. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 23:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Look, the last two reverts had nothing to do with the content, I removed redundant and obtrusive <!--comment tags-->. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 23:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

What part of "undoing the actions of another editor" is unclear? And how obtrusive can comments be? Readers don't even see them! You may have noticed that I have not run to the RR noticeboard, nor have I blocked you myself. I'm trying to inform you about the policy - believe me or not, as you prefer. You might want to look at a few cases to develop your own understanding of current practice. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It's quite clear. I think however you're being very picky and making a big deal out of this. Those were not even comments, just comment tags, and totally redundant. If you're going to block me for this, then you're trying to make a federal case out of nothing. Look, I didn't undo anything related to the content, and that is what you usually get blocked for regarding the 3RR policy. Getting blocked for removing comment tags is extremely ridiculous. I can't imagine anything beside spite for blocking an editor because of that. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 23:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio

Wnen you tag an article as a copyvio, please post to that effect on the article talk page. Also, you might say why you think that Misplaced Pages is the copyright violator and not the other site. Are you claiming authorship? Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. There are some excerpts in the wikipedia article taken or 'slightly' modified from that source. Also, I can't seem to find the Plato quote anywhere else except that site. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 01:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages content is often copied by other sites without attribution. That may be the case here. Walter Siegmund (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Pat Condell

I see you created Pat Condell in August 2007, but it got speedy deleted, it was later recreated by User:Bingo99. He is now more notable and known.--Seriousspender (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What a pointless delete that was. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 19:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Julius Evola

Are you sure that Mr. Julius Evola died in 1974 ( you have worked on this article ), I think he died in 1971 ! Kindly clear the confusion

Thanks Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Well, I didn't add anything about his date of death, as far as I can remember. But it seems to be accurate that he died in 1974. You're welcome. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 04:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD Comments

Please tone them down or you could be blocked for incivility. On a related not, Misplaced Pages:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions is really good for use at AfD. Trying looking at others' comments because AfD 'keeps/deletes' are solely based on existing policies and not opinions. If you have any questions, let me know. the_undertow 03:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, what AfD comment are you talking about? I've just been on an AfD rampage. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 03:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)