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This article was nominated for deletion on 20 February 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

libel

Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Misplaced Pages article. This is policy!!!Boomgaylove (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Your BLP objection is not valid, and you are edit warring simulteneously in several places to try to get this artist removed from the encyclopedia. The information and the source are an interview in a magazine conducted with the subject himself where he apparently talks about his own drug dealing, for which he was arrested and convicted. That is relevant to his bio as a rap musician, and hardly violates BLP. You are not defending BLP anyway by blanking the entire article while nominating it for deletion. Please stop now or you will likely be blocked from further editing the encyclopedia. Wikidemo (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

its poorly sourced. it's not from a notable magazine.Boomgaylove (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, can we please stop edit warring and try to discuss this for a minute. Boomgaylove, please list which specific parts of the article you feel are poorly sourced/unsourced. It's difficult to see which parts you find objectionable when there is constant reverting. I know that BLP states that you can remove these type of things immediately, but we have yet to determine if these sentences are actually libelous or not. Bash Kash (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Bart and drugs

The source for the potentially libelous claims he sold candy on BART and was a drug dealer and criminal are poor. Album notes from an artist that doesn't have a real label and hasn't sold many albums is really questionable. It should be removed.Boomgaylove (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It's his own interview. What are you talking about? Stop all this disruptive editing, please. I've left another warning on your talk page.Wikidemo (talk) 23:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

While I agree that this information is very interesting, keep in mind what WP:NPF says: Misplaced Pages also contains biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, editors should exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability. Material from third-party primary sources should not be used unless it has first been published by a reliable secondary source. Material published by the subject must be used with caution. Therefore, the information about his childhood (candy bars and BART) should be kept, but I'm not so sure about his opinions from STASH Magazine.

Also, Boomgaylove, here are the scanned pages from the interview: , , , . Bash Kash (talk) 23:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

his real name

i don't see any source for his name being Jovan Smith.Boomgaylove (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added an article from the San Francisco Bay Guardian. Bash Kash (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It was already sourced, along with everything else this editor has been challenging. I've consolidated the citations. Wikidemo (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

dictator

• Misplaced Pages:Words to avoid#Fundamentally, at heart, essentially, basically states that the word dictator should not be used. Stop reinserting this point of view and stick to WP:NPOV.Boomgaylove (talk) 01:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

  You've misread the style guideline you're trying to cite. It says nothing about avoiding the word "dictator." It is absurd not to call Joseph Stalin a dictator by way of reference. Should I refer to him as the "Russian Leader?" Please stop wikigaming. Incidentally, in case you miss all the other warnings and notices, I have reported your disruptive behavior to WP:AN/I. Wikidemo (talk) 01:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

  I don't really care either way, but I changed it to "Soviet leader" as opposed to "General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union." Bash Kash (talk) 05:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

  dictator is the best way to put it so I've restored. The only opposition was ongoing bad faith edits by a now-banned user. The quote demonstrates J Stalin is getting kicks because the guy is a dictator, not because he happened to be a foreign head of state. Wikidemo (talk) 07:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

wow

A lot has changed on this page since I first slapped the stub together. Looks like some strange user is on a personal vendetta to remove J Stalin from wikipedia?! Why? DigitizerSF (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)DigitzerSF

ipa

why where the pronunciations removed?

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