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citation template

Your recent edits to the citation template have broken some uses of it; see Tarski's plank problem for an example. R.e.b. (talk) 15:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Tarski's plank problem is still displaying incorrectly on my browser even after you added the missing colons. I suspect this may be some weird cache problem that will eventually clear itself: if it's displaying OK on your browser there is probably no need to do anything more. R.e.b. (talk) 16:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The error on Tarski's plank problem vanished after I made a trivial edit to the page, so it was almost certainly a cache problem and I think everything is OK now. R.e.b. (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

your comment on Yarrow talk page

Hello, thank you for your comment on the talk page requesting the specific information we would like edited to the protected article. The specific request is this: Please remove the sex offender and american criminals category, until that can be discussed and determined on the talk page. Thank you--Jkp212 (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

deletion script

The script only looks at the wikitext itself, not the expanded versions of the templates, so it won't be affected as long as the templates have the same name for the same meaning. —Random832 14:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

Ya, it was you. :-) MiszaBot doesn't tolerate the template condensed - the parsing algorithm in its current state expects one parameter per line - when it's condensed, it will read the archive parameter as empty, which equals /dev/null. Cheers, Миша13 20:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Draft RFAR

Over at User talk:Carcharoth you mentioned you were considering an RFAR over BCB. At the time I thought you and other more experienced users were going to do it, but I guess we all decided to try WP:AGF one more time. I'm going to start compiling diffs and what not this evening and was wondering if you had any experience at the style and formatting of a proper RFAR? MBisanz 23:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well my mouse broke tonight and the touchpad isn't well suited for diff parsing. Really the issue is that BC edits across 3 accounts (BC, BC2, BCB) and edits a lot over those accounts very fast. Right now the policies I'm going to focus on in my search are BOT, NPA, CIVIL, CDP, CONS and possibly 3RR, depending on what a sampling of diffs show. The guidelines I was thinking of pursuing were POINT, WQT, HAR, DISRUPT, Misplaced Pages:Categorization of people. I think the problem an RFAR would face is that the arbcom would say "discussion is still occuring, change is still occuring, come back another time". But the real issue is that BC keeps moving on to new tasks that cause new problems without seeming to learn caution from the old mistakes. And then of course there are certain users who are new to the debate, who don't help things with their inflammatory language (no clean hands kinda thing). Any ideas who to include as named parties? If I go by people who have interacted with BC, it will easily be a list of 30+ people, but if I just go with those who have edit-warred with him, it'll be one or two newbies, who really won't show the best side of the case. I'll probably ping you when I have something written that I need to find diffs for. MBisanz 09:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, is this sort of thing and issue? He substed it, but didn't show he edited the other guy's comment? MBisanz 15:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I would say that this is actually a very useful edit, adding extra links without changing any of the meaning (and removing some unwanted displayed wikicode). I wouldn't see this as a problem. Happy‑melon 15:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, since it was a simple subst, it probably isn't a problem. I've gotten through the BC discussion history for the last month at User:MBisanz/RFAR. It seems that the BC2 discussion history is just as verbose. And I ahven't even tackled yet the actual editing violations. MBisanz 17:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The draft looks interesting, to say the least. You might want to augment the diff labeled "threatening a user who criticised BCB" with this diff, showing the 51 notifications BCB subsequently left on that talk page in just over six minutes.Oops, it was there all along. Might want to note that the two are connected, however. BC clearly added a line to his code to duplicate the notification sent to the original uploader to also spam MickMacNee's talk page with them. That definitely classifies as harrassment, and a violation of the BOT policy.

I think the ArbCom is more likely to hear the case if you make more of the fact that there are clearly two sides to this argument - it is not just BC being uncooperative or BCB being aggressive. He's taken a terrible amount of stick for doing a job that really does need to be done... or does it? A finding of fact that clarifies the deadline in the foundation resolution, and what has to happen to images once the deadline is reached, would be invaluable in what will be a perpetual argument for as long as wikipedia permits any non-free content. The routine findings that CIVIL, NPA, POINT, etc, apply, can't hurt, and would help remind editors that, however bad they think BC's attitude is, there is never a justification for poor behaviour on their part. I'm not sure how best to word it, but trying to give the impression that this is a mess that the ArbCom need to clarify, rather than a bad editor that they need to restrain, is more likely to produce a constructive outcome. Happy‑melon 22:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Well it would seem someone noticed my work or thinks exactly like I do Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#BetacommandBot. MBisanz 02:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

You think it was pre-emptive? Who knows. I know some people work on arbitration cases and requests off-wiki for this very reason, but I've never gone that far yet. Carcharoth (talk) 08:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, but it's not a piece of limelight I would particularly covet. They do seem to be a bit confused as to what they're asking for right now, and the Arbs seem disinclined to accept a confused case, so perhaps our best effect now would be to explain why the case needs ArbCom help to sort out. Since I'm the only one of us that hasn't made a statement, if you have any tidbits you think I should include, do dump them here. Happy‑melon 08:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something that is shorter than what MBisanz and I have said, but still highlighting the most important points. Some points above that I haven't seen so far are: "But the real issue is that BC keeps moving on to new tasks that cause new problems without seeming to learn caution from the old mistakes" and the (more minor) point that Betacommand has sometimes been commenting under his alternate account, Betacommand2 (talk · contribs), which confused me on at least one occassion. Carcharoth (talk) 09:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

{{Infobox Officeholder}}

Thank you for updating the officeholder infobox. However, I've noticed that there's a minor error with the update, here's the code to fix it. Thanks. --Philip Stevens (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez article

Hello, this is Matt Sanchez, I've been asked to request someone who can file an OTRS. Would you be willing?

Matthew.a.sanchez@gmail.com