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I am financially conflicted in the opposite manner as normally encountered: My work for gewp.org is ''pro bono'' and gewp.org itself places all new technology into the public domain, creating a patent bar immediately upon publication. My payment for AdWords is a charitable contribution to gewp, and gewp is a 501(c)3 nonprofit in formation. I do this as an experienced inventor in biotechnology, having ~600 uspto.gov patent references. One of my patents was litigated through three levels of court up to the CA Supreme Court in 2006, and the award was a record: $34.5M. I also figure the US government has ~ $50M in me via grants and training over a 30 year period. Given the status of energy in our world, and some of the obvious consequences for the future (war, stagflation, greenhouse, nuclear proliferation, etc.), I feel that I have no choice but to act in a charitable manner as an inventor. My affiliations are exclusively to www.gewp.org, and other charitable organizations, having retired from all other work years ago. I have no financial interest in anything except blinded CA State bonds which are the current source of my charitable giving.] (]) 02:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I am financially conflicted in the opposite manner as normally encountered: My work for gewp.org is ''pro bono'' and gewp.org itself places all new technology into the public domain, creating a patent bar immediately upon publication. My payment for AdWords is a charitable contribution to gewp, and gewp is a 501(c)3 nonprofit in formation. I do this as an experienced inventor in biotechnology, having ~600 uspto.gov patent references. One of my patents was litigated through three levels of court up to the CA Supreme Court in 2006, and the award was a record: $34.5M. I also figure the US government has ~ $50M in me via grants and training over a 30 year period. Given the status of energy in our world, and some of the obvious consequences for the future (war, stagflation, greenhouse, nuclear proliferation, etc.), I feel that I have no choice but to act in a charitable manner as an inventor. My affiliations are exclusively to www.gewp.org, and other charitable organizations, having retired from all other work years ago. I have no financial interest in anything except blinded CA State bonds which are the current source of my charitable giving.] (]) 02:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

==Gni ban==
Jayron32, I hope you'll reconsider what you wrote here: "Actually, having looked over the whole of the changes to the article, it is you who proprose the major changes while several other editors seem to independently ALL disagree with your changes, and wish to maintain the article's status quo."

The major edit which was being battled over was the insertion into the first sentence of the judgment that CAMERA ''is'' pro-Israel (as opposed to "is cited as pro-Israel," which appears in a later sentence and is obviously accurate.) For almost the entire history of this article, there was no such assertion in the first sentence. It was added quite recently, and I was trying to revert to the previous status quo -- while discussing on the discussion page. The other editors would revert this change immediately, and often wouldn't engage in real discussion that addresses specifics questions I raised in the discussion section. Now, it may be true that 3 or 4 editors -- whose biases I won't bother to discuss -- disagreed with me. But that doesn't seem to be a reason to block me, remove the 'neutrality disputed' tag (not you, but the other administrator), and allow the others free reign to make their one-sided edits. (I should note also that there was someone else who backed my view, but he, too was ignored. Even Nagle, who doesn't tend to agree with me on this article, was ignored when he proposed compromise language. Now a new person is proposing compromise language, and is being ignored. So what can be done?) Thanks for your comments. ] (]) 03:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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Re 203.209.26.36

Whack, whack, whack! :-) --NeilN 05:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Arrrgh. More: --NeilN 05:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

They keep popping up! And I only have the one big poofy mallet. What will I do!!! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
May I suggest paving? LeadSongDog (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment on main page deletion incident

As you made an edit to the incident listed in the Administrators notice board, it is requested that you confirm the details of the incident here (section 1.1.2)

This is as the incident is used as the basis of an argument and needs to be confirm by persons familar with the event

Regards --User:Mitrebox talk 2008-02-22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.11.244.78 (talk) 07:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


SocialPicks

I just wanted to update you about this article. I removed two of the sources that just mention SocialPicks on a line or so. Dimension31 (talk) 11:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism report

The entry User:74.163.223.240 you deleted from WP:AIV isn't just SP, he's also repeatedly blanked and db'd category pages even after warnings. Also note profane personal attacks on user talk pages. Thanks, Technobadger (talk) 19:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Walk Through?

Hi Jayron, I saw your comment to Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Fredfox and I don't disagree that he appears entirely n-n, however I'm not comfortable speedying people because the criteria don't seem entirely firm. Is there a tutorial somewhere with examples? I'm familiar with WP:CSD but I've still speedied some things where the speedy was removed, and not speedied where I could have so I'm a bit confused. Thanks! Travellingcari (talk) 19:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much for that information. It clarifies things a lot. I'm sure I'll have other questions in the future but that does the job well for now. On another note I love your user page Travellingcari (talk) 20:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Its the picture, isn't it? I mean the rest of it is no big deal. For the record, I have NO idea where I got it from. Its something I stole from someone elses user page, LOLed over it, and put it on mine. If you like it, feel free to add it to yours... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
It's funny how we find and snag, isn't it :) Travellingcari (talk) 20:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm jealous of the chest hair.

I'm having some issues with another AfD and would like your opinion on issues of notability/verifiability. One editor is stating that sources don't have to available online to be sources, which could be a valid argument in some cases, but I don't think it applies here. The talk page for the article is here. If you just want to comment here or on my talk page, that would be fine. I can usually handle myself, and I don't want to be seen as shopping for opinion. Regards. --Daddy.twins (talk) 23:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

New Source On SocialPicks

I recently added SocialPicks#_note-0. You might want to take a look at it. Dimension31 (talk) 05:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shadow People

As you are aware there is currently a dispute over the contents of the entry Shadow people. The page has been edit protected twice. I've added my two cents worth to the talk page and so have a number of other users, but there doesn't seem like we are any closer to agreement between ourselves. What would need to be done in order to take this to the next step and to get some kind of admin or arbitration ruling? The normal process of resolution through dialog appears to have reached an impasse.

perfectblue (talk) 11:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Pats

Hey Jayron. New England Patriots is about to have its FA status removed. It may have almost hundred percent to do with this edit you made. That was pretty big. I understand what you were trying to do, but that removed 3/4 of the article and about 40 references. Please reply on my talk page. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 16:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

BS

The Barnstar of Good Humour
For your impressive nomination rationale at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Somebody Else's Problem field. Guest9999 (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Elisabeth Becker

Hi, I noticed that you added a unreferenced template in the article Elisabeth Becker. I think as the article is marked as stub, tags are not needed. So I have removed the tag. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

My Unblock

Thank you, much appreciated JFBurton (talk) 17:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Username

It's amazing, you are the third person who has asked me that now. The username was reported to UAA as being promotional account only, I checked all contribs and they were all spam so the account was blocked. Given that from memory all contribs were deleted spam the user can just create a new account (or does he want the existing name) as account creation was not disabled. I'll unblock it in a mo. Regards, SGGH 22:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

block

Didn't stick right?CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it... Later. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Now I see. Thx. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk —Preceding comment was added at 21:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Delegable proxy

Answered on my own talk page. :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)..

Sock puppet block

You blocked this user for one month because of disruptive edits. Is it possible to extend the blocks for all the other sock puppets of this user? Many were blocked for just 31 hours for the same offenses. 192.195.66.45 (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realize this was a larger problem. We are working on this at WP:ANI. Feel free to contribute there... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Weedbag might not be a sock

First off, thank you so much for the recent blocks, I was getting hammered by multiple accounts at the same time and it sorta sucked ;)

That said, on further consideration, I no longer think Weedbag was one of the socks; I think he/she was just poking their nose where it didn't belong and made ridiculously false accusation against me. I am okay with a conditional reduction/lifting of the block (see User talk:Weedbag). --Jaysweet (talk) 20:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Impersonation

Thanks for blocking the IP, but could you take a quick look at the related suspected sock puppet page, the contribs of the past hour of the account is about remembering how this all became involved before! Thanks Whitstable 21:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no real comment on that. Are you saying that Crystalclearchanges is the sockpuppet of the IP address? I see no clear evidence of that. You need to perhaps bring up that evidence at the SSP page for someone else to deal with...--Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It is the modus operandi, sadly. And as it seems the user appears to have discovered proxies, it could be a nasty one Whitstable 21:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
What??? First of all you accuse me of being the sockpuppet of a banned user, and now you start telling me that I have been talking to myself using an IP address????? You really are somethng else arent you. Crystalclearchanges (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Um, keep this off of my talk page. This is NOT the place to have this discussion. Have it elsewhere, not here... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 21:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello again

Hi, I was wondering if you could recover Talk:Richard and Karen Carpenter's Official Fanatic Page, which was my talk page back in 2006 (what was I thinking?!) and move it to User talk:Cuyler91093/Archive 01? Thank you! —Preceding comment was added at 23:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, looking at that articles deletion history, it was moved to your talk page once already in the past. Just look through your talk page history on October 5, 2006. That's when it was moved... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humour
This mostly harmless nomination deserves recognition. Eusebeus (talk) 23:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

How did I break the 3RR?

Could you point to me how I broke the 3RR causing a ban? --Nostradamus1 (talk) 02:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, since you didn't appear to actually read the policy page, the part that says "Editors may still be blocked even if they have made three or fewer reverts in a 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive. " 3RR is not an entitlement to revert 3 times; you were well aware that others objected to your edits, and yet RATHER than establishing consensus on the talk page to make them, you remade them anyways. That's enough for a block... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Orlando articles

Please protect Kraken (roller coaster) ... it was targeted by the sock puppeteer. Thanks. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 04:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

done. If you find anymore, let me know. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
We are in need of assistance. The puppeteer's original account block has lapsed, and he's back to the same tactics, as shown in the article for Splendid China (Florida). Again, we're trying to explain things and keep assuming good faith, but it doesn't seem to be helping. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :)

The Working Man's Barnstar
For assistance on Orlando/Disney-related articles, we can put a stop to this dynamic IP vandal :) seicer | talk | contribs 04:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :) I had set it to 3-days but noted that others were like... 1 month. You should check out #wikipedia-en-roads since you are a part of the NC Highways project! (Link on my page) seicer | talk | contribs 04:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Don't really do the IRC thing. But thanks for the tip! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for your help. Felt kinda helpless, and glad you all were able to assist. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 04:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with above. Thank you for your assistance. SpikeJones (talk) 02:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

New sock up and running in Epcot article. Was fully protected, but that has dropped off. Need semi-protect. Will post in appropriate forums. Thanks. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Andrew I. Nevins

Andrew I. Nevins is a REAL PERSON. I don't understand why you deleted my page. Please don't do so again. I consider such to be vandalism. Thank you, Vandalist1235 (talk) 05:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

One of you guys just blocked my username

What's up with that?! Do you have any idea who's WikiPedia page you just deleted?! This guy is a legit HARVARD PROFESSOR?! http://fas.harvard.edu/~lingdept/f_nevins.html . A leader in the field of Formal Phonology and Morphology, Pronouns and Agreement?! A lover of pronoun agreement?! Since when are these not legitimate criteria for inclusion in the annals of WikiPedia?! You need to take off your bathrobe, throw on some big-boy pants, and take a chill pill!?! Andrewnevinsjrjr (talk) 06:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Your speedy of Col. William Nicol Fife

Yo, the author of the above quoted article you deleted on copyright infringement grounds has replaced the page with an argument asserting the content was public domain. Can you verify their claims, or otherwise re-delete the article? Thanks, скоморохъ 09:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Colleen

FYI Slrubenstein | Talk 11:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Concerning the delete

I have posted my reply to the deletion of the "Beyond protocol" article, I would be very happy if a discussion could be held.

Ultraexactzz mentioned that I needed more links to independent interviews and the like Here are 4 link to informative sites about the game, do you think this is enough? I will continue to look for more anyway http://www.mmortsgamers.com/content/view/168/1/ http://www.mmortsgamers.com/content/view/167/1/ http://beyondprotocol.wikidot.com http://www.beyondprotocol.com

Rolles (talk) 15:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)rolles

The Land of Bad Fantasy

I've taken the step of replacing the A3 on The Land of Bad Fantasy. Looking at the user's history, it's clear he's a bored kid in a school library experimenting with this site. There is nothing beyond the fact that this is a book published last year. No plot summary, no synopsis, nothing. In short, this is not an article but a declarative statement. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

    • Thanks. You know, sometimes admins do some reaseach and actually know what we are doing. I added some stuff as well. A1/A3 is for when there is NOT enough information even to do a google search to expand the article. Stubs are for when there IS enough information to do further research and provide more information. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jayron32

User: Dahn

I am inclined to grant his unblock request after I went through his edit history. I cannot find any outright edit warring or repeated reversions. If you have some difs that show what the problematic edits were, perhaps that would help me make an informed decision, otherwise I am inclinced to unblock at this point. Thanks! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

After quickly looking through the Romanian people article this is what I found: , , , and . Scarian 18:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Peer review for Jack Warner

Hi Jayron32, If you have time, I'd really appreciate your feedback on the film biography, Jack Warner, which I recently nominated for peer review. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 23:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jayron, I was dissatisfied with the lead but couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with it. Your comments put a spotlight on the problem. I'll revamp the lead and move on other issues tomorrow. For now, I placed all the material on Warner's professional life in one section and created a new section titled "Death and legacy". As you recommended, material on Warner's career as an independent producer is now in the "Professional life" section. Thanks, again, for your feedback! Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

3RR block

Hey, Jayron, I'm a bit perplexed about your recent block of 70.168.196.48. It seems to me that this revert is a self-revert and thus shouldn't count toward the rule. Maybe I'm missing something, and you could explain it to me. Cheers, Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

oops. Missed that. Unblocking now. Good catch. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of recessions in the United States

Hi, I don't think your Oppose vote was fair. We changed from international recessions to United States-only recessions about 5 minutes ago. At the very least, I would appreciate it if you changed it to a comment before voting immediately like that. Gary King (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

If the list is that unstable, I see no reason why my vote should not stand. At least decide what the list is about before nominating it!!! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:70.168.196.48

He's not guilty of breaking the 3rr rule... but (as I said on the intervention page) he is guilty of consitently ignoring warnings and general vandalism... removing valid tags fromt he article without discussing it. In my opinion, a short block is waranted for those reasons.--Dr who1975 (talk) 05:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's let it go for now. The IP has stopped, there's nothing to do for now... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:54, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Can you at least put a thrid/final warning on his page... he's just going tocome back and do it again in aday or two. I don't like to be the one to give out all the warnings.--Dr who1975 (talk) 05:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
At this point, there's not much of a point. Given that many IPs are assigned dynamically, or to public computers, given that it has been hours since that IP was used to edit, there is no guarantee that the next person to use that IP is the same that has been vandalising. At this point, lets just wait and see on that one. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I respect your opinion but I'm going to put a third warning on the page... it ic clear from the history that this IP has been consistently used by one user in wikipedia during the last month.--Dr who1975 (talk) 06:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
OK. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:07, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

How could you sponsor the deletion of Somebody Else's Problem field... that's like blasphemy... I think I even made a few of the edits to that page (P.S. since inflection doesn;t come through on message boards... let me say that this message should be taken in the tone of good natured ribbing... although I do really wish you hadn't had it deleted... not that I plan on bringing it back).--Dr who1975 (talk) 06:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Although... 2 and a half days is kind of short for a deletion debate isn't it?--Dr who1975 (talk) 06:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
(pre-ec comments)Eh... ribbing accepted. I expected some flak for that, but I think I made clear in my nom that I was clearly a fan of the books, but even being so I still could not see why the article existed... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
(post EC comments) I didn't close it. I only started it... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah... and I see now it actually lasted 6 days. Oh well... it was a funny summary you wrote.--Dr who1975 (talk) 06:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I try! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

regarding

before you start accusing me of being disruptve please read what i actually wrote instead of reading wht you think i wrote. i told him that it did NOT matter what he siad about homeopathy here only that he had to convince the blockign admin that he wdid not intend to be disruptive. i really would like it if people gave me warnigns based on things that i actually did wrong instead of things that i did right but they didnt take the time to read carefully and understand. Smith Jones (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps if you worked harder on conversing with others in coherant English and maybe used appropriate sentance structure, spelling, and grammar, then people would not so easily misunderstand what you are saying. Proper communication is not hard, and perhaps if you focused on more carefully crafting your messages before you hit the "Save page" button, these kinds of misunderstandings could be avoided. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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New England Patriots

Hey Jayron. I don't think you saw the message all the way above. So here it is again: New England Patriots is about to have its FA status removed. It may have almost hundred percent to do with this edit you made. That was pretty big. I understand what you were trying to do, but that removed 3/4 of the article and about 40 references. Please reply on my talk page. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 16:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Bathrobe

You should maybe add the material and weave that your bathrobe is made of to the caption in the article. bibliomaniac15 I see no changes 02:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter

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24.190.155.118

I don't understand why you'd remove an IP because it wasn't "recently warned" when it was the same person who was warned last time. The Evil Spartan (talk) 13:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Really, because after a month between edits, there is no evidence of that. Most IP addresses change more often then that. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
My bad. I thought this was a different IP. Sorry! The Evil Spartan (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the bad tone, BTW. The Evil Spartan (talk) 14:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Is The Evil Spartan saying I am Skibaby? What is going on? The comment Evil Spartan has left on my Talk page is very confusing. I have not been on WP very long, and I am certainly not a vandal. I work hard at these edits, and this flippant comment is no fun, unless The Evil Spartan is serious, and then we have some serious hacking to look into. I use Sprint PCS from San Diego, and I am unaware of anyone having access to my Sprint account and certainly not to my computer from which I edit. Nukeh (talk) 19:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Now you

Who cares about your stupid bathrobe!And I apoliges to Hammer1980,And man if this block was still goin on,you would've blocked me on my birthday!And I didnt do no "Sock Puppets".JUST GO AND NEVER COME BACK!!! -User:Solo28 (What's up Doc?)

Nuts.

You're no fun today.  :) After that Big Al character spent three months running roughshod on this site, a kick in the hindquarters on his way out the door is the least we can do. IMO, we need to stop taking the moral high ground regarding idiots like that and show the world that they are, in fact, idiots. NPP is stressful enough with a never-ending supply of similar idiots who are all to happy to take over. To thumb our noses at a particularly fine example of the breed is a nice way to relieve the tension. Just my two cents'. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Eh. One could say that taunting him in that way is only feeding a troll and will likely inspire him to try harder to be a pain in the ass. If you just ignore him, he is more likely to go away. There are many other ways of relieving stress. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

ROTFLMAO!  :)) Oh, those links are priceless! You're right; leave us not to feed yonder trolls. The guy just torqued me off and anger got the best of me. As for me, it would appear that I have my choice of stress relievers...ah, what a beautiful predicament...--PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Jkaharper

Hello. I was wondering why User:Jkaharper was blocked and why Category:Supporters of gay marriage was deleted.

The biographies, such as Al Sharpton, mention support for gay marriage (see Al Sharpton#Gay rights). Where is the WP:BLP violation?

Granted, User:Jkaharper shouldn't have been reverting without an edit summary, but he was not engaged in vandalism. — ] (] · ]) 22:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't about the Al Sharpton issue. The addition of people to LGBT categories is a common way of violating BLP; especially if such additions are unreferenced. If you feel these additions were done in good faith, feel free to unblock him. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 23:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
If I were an admin, I would. I think that User:Jkaharper's edits were inappropriately characterized as vandalism. Two of the three articles cited as examples of "vandalism" have lengthy, and well-sourced, quotes from the subjects in support of gay marriage. — ] (] · ]) 00:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
If he wants an unblock, he can request it. Again, I didn't not block him blindly just because someone used the word vandalism in a warning or an edit summary. I investigated his contributions, found them to be in violation of WP:BLP, which has nothing to do with vandalism, and I blocked him for that. People are blocked for many more reasons that vandalism, and admins such as myself take our jobs seriously and fully investigate all users that come to our attention. If you wish to have the block reviewed by admins, please post a notice at WP:ANI and see if another admin wishes to review the block. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 00:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you. — ] (] · ]) 00:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You posted this on my talk page

I have had to remove several reports at WP:AIV which do not comply with the guidelines. Please take some time to read the boilerplate at the top of WP:AIV as well as Misplaced Pages:Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism. Please note that you must demonstrate that you have exhausted all other attempts at getting a user to stop problematic edits BEFORE they will be blocked. Try leaving a friendly, handwritten note on their talk page explaining what they are doing wrong. If that doesn't work, leave a sterner warning. Users that have not been warned multiple times, and given ample opportunity to correct their own behavior are not likely to be blocked. Blocking is the last resort, not the first, when dealing with problematic editors. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikifan51893 (talk · contribs) is not a vandal account as I've thought, however, 8HRE (talk · contribs) appears to be a sock or troll. Or else, how would the user know me? Did you take a good look at 8HRE's contributions? Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
If he is a sockpuppet, the proper place to report him is at WP:SSP or perhaps WP:ANI. Unfortunately, WP:AIV is not set up to handle such requests. AIV has a very limited usage, for such situations where no investigation is needed by admins, and for cases of obvious and repeated vandalism where other measures have not worked. For issues that are not a quick "check and block" situation, or where concerns require a lengthy explanation or considerable investigation by admins, then other venues are more appropriate. I will not say one way or the other whether 8HRE deserves to be blocked or not; but AIV is not the correct mechanism to deal with sockpuppetry problems. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
That's understandable, don't know why I didn't think of those better options. I talked to another sysop about the editor, who said they'd watch him/her, but I'd rather go ahead and leave a quick comment on WP:AN/I. Thanks, Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:D

Fully protected for a period of forever. After forever the page will be automatically unprotected . . . . . oh you make me laugh :P Tiptoety 05:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you know, after Judgement Day, he can edit again... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

My unblock and comment

Hi. I'm grateful to you for unblocking me and have a couple of requests. You wrote on the box that unblocks me on my page that you don't believe me when I say I haven't edited Misplaced Pages before. I'm assuming this means you're saying I'm lying, but what you've written isn't true, I already said that I have edited Misplaced Pages before, just read the bit above the box. Could you change what you've written so that it's not accusing me of lying by saying I haven't edited Misplaced Pages. Sure, accuse me of lying, I don't mind that but just don't accuse me of lying by saying something that isn't true about me when you can see it's not true by reading what I wrote. The bit where I said that I have edited Misplaced Pages is just above what you've written if you need to see it. I'm not accusing you of anything so please don't ban me, I'm just asking that what you wrote about me in the box is true. The other request is about the comment I wanted to leave on Jimbo's talk page. I got banned because I left the comment. Is there somewhere I can get my comment approved so I can leave it or someone that can give me permission to leave the comment or tell me how to change it so I won't get banned. Thanks for your help AntHolnes (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You've been unblocked. I don't really care about the rest of this. Have fun editing articles. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 11:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
OK I understand, thanks for replying and thanks for unblocking me. Could you at least let me know what I can do about it, even if you don't care. You're the one that wrote it you see. You've written in a big box on my page that I'm a liar because I said I never edited Misplaced Pages. Above that I had already written prior to that in plain words that I have edited Misplaced Pages. Don't you feel a responsibility to be accurate? Anyone else that sees that is going to believe that I'm a liar because I said that I haven't edited Misplaced Pages before, when I never said that. They won't like me and they'll ban me again because you've put that I'm a liar on my page. I need to do something about that or I'll be banned again There must be someone that can do something about it, it's obviously and provably not true AntHolnes (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure. I'll help you set up an archive for your talk page. It'll just take a second. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 15:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I should have done that myself, except I suppose I was hoping you would feel some responsibility for claiming something about me that is obviously not accurate when you read a sentence just a few centimeters above it. Never mind, you've tried as best you felt you could, for which I really am grateful. AntHolnes (talk) 01:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

New IP range

Guess who is back? Since this is a persistent bugger, what else can be done? I've PPed Epcot for the time being. seicer | talk | contribs 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

JUst semiprotect all of the pages he hits. Given the nature of his IP, its our only recourse. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I've added this new IP to the puppet case, but this will just get old. I'm researching if there's yet another registered account involved, based on articles edited and same M.O. as presented here. Thank you both for your help. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 22:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Nobody533

Just looking for any comment on this user's current unblock request. They're claiming it was a friend (difficult to prove or disprove) and pointing out that they've had a history of helpful edits in the past (which seems to be true). Contribs date back to 2006, at least, even if there's not a lot of them. Took a quick look and didn't see any obvious sock farm, but you may know more about this than I do. Might we shorten the block from indef, perhaps? – Luna Santin (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Appreciation

The WikiProject Film Award
I, twelsht (talk) 05:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC), hereby award Jayron32 the WikiProject Film Award for their valued contributions to WikiProject Film. Thank you for your assistance on Jack Warner.
Awarded 05:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

THANKS! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your sensible comment on the issue. --Avinesh Jose  T  06:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Band Notability - The Agency

The page that you deleted was a band that had notability, if you had cared to read it!

Under WP:BAND: "6 - Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such. "

Mike Marsh is the drummer of the band Dashboard Confessional, who are a notable band, therefor, The Agency IS a notable band on Misplaced Pages! --HitchhikerGriff (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

OK. Do you feel better now? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Much! Alright. Maybe I overreacted a bit! HitchhikerGriff (talk) 16:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for blocking 216.11.243.60

Thank you for blocking User:216.11.243.60. I was thinking about notifying an admin when I saw you'd done it already! Nunquam Dormio (talk) 13:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I had blocked that IP earlier, and had it on my watchlist. As the problems continued unabated, a long block was unfortunately necessary. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 14:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking me

I have responded on the page where I was reported. I really wasn't trying to cause a problem. I have learned that editors are very touchy about that article and don't really read edit summaries or even the talk page. I did revert a few times before I was told about that article being sensitive. I will not revert more than once there per day going forward. Thanks again. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 14:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Why do the Las Vegas area casinos say they're in Paradise, Nevada?

If that is the guidline then why don't the Orlando resorts say the specific city they are in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.224.123 (talk) 18:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the category Category:Casinos_in_Las_Vegas, you'll see that regardless of the casino's mailing address, they're still listed as being in Las Vegas for sake of the category. If this is not what you are looking for, then you will need to be more specific with your question. I also recommend that if you have a specific question that it is better to ask it on a single appropriate page rather than to post the same question on multiple user's talk pages. SpikeJones (talk) 18:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I am not making any decision in this area. 74.163.224.123/Miamiboyzinhere is being blocked because he pushes his version of the article without discussing it on the talk page. He may have a good arguement, and his version may be right, however since he refuses to behave in a cooperative manner, his arguements will continue to be ignored. Remember, Miamiboyzinhere, you aren't be blocked for what you are trying to add to the articles, you are being blocked for your behavior. If your behavior does not change, you will continue to be blocked. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Anika_Rahman

poking you since you appear to be online. I just did the re-direct for this AfD since it appeared logical and there appear to have been some issues with the nom/nominator (see the other AfDs and apparently s/he's banned (? don't get that if s/he's posting). At any rate I don't feel right doing a non-admin close of an AfD that isn't mine, but I'm not sure what should be done now since I did the redirect and it certainly doesn't need to run for 5 days and clutter an already crowded Afd. Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARITell me yours 05:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

And done... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARITell me yours 05:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wake County, North Carolina

Hello there, I notice you've edited the Wake County article in the past (and I see you live in my old hometown, Raleigh). If you get really bored, would you mind scanning the article to see where improvements could be made? I've recently added alot to the article and am looking for some feedback from an experienced user. The history sections I marked for expansion will be fixed later this week. I e-mailed the Wake County Historical Society and asked for some help with those sections. I can't seem to find a web source for information dealing with the 19th and 20th centuries. Anyway, if you get a chance to read it that would be cool. Thanks. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

L33t-Geek block

Just a reminder, don't forget to block the other socks as well. Thanks for your help with the situation. Cheers!!! Baegis (talk) 05:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone (Yamla I think) already picked those off a while ago. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Nahuatl GA-nom

After a considerable revamp I've renominated Nahuatl for GA status. If you have the time I'd appreciate if you'd give it a review.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 12:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Elle oh elle

Dude, srs. That's not helping. XD I'm in such a bad mood, the giggles help, but I'm sure they'll come back on us. You really should join IRC, if for no other reason than to partake in the hilarity that is the BRC chan, however, you'd like all the admin chat, too, I'm sure. TINC, LaraLove 14:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, well sometimes people need to take themselves less seriously. Him included. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 14:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

IRC

I confirm that my freenode nick is Jayron32 --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC) try again... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:209.43.19.188

This Diff would seem to be counter to Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. They may also remove some content in archiving. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. Thoughts? Jeepday (talk) 02:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you kow if you are funded by HD? Please encrupt and provide key. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nukeh (talkcontribs) 06:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahrimanius

Sorry, I don't have any records on or recollection of it any more - it was almost 2 years ago. However, that fact that he would create the account on May 3 2006 and not use it until March 5 2008 is very odd, don't you think? Jayjg 04:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Homestar1936

Please go ahead and unblock. I understand where he's coming from, so let's see how he does. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, but I do not understand. Nukeh (talk) 06:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, unless I've lost my mind, I thought this response to your question should be clear. Am I missing something? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
You haven't lost your mind. I have. Never mind me, I'm an idiot. Carry on! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

User talk:86.40.200.196

Bah, I protected the page while you were typing. I hope you don't mind ;) -- lucasbfr 17:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Be my guest. He has nothing useful to add... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping a new WP'r

Basically, no clearing anything, including rejected stuff on Article Discussion pages, self contributed. Always archive you own User Talk Page before nuking it. Wave Power seems a little to serious for me, so I think I will edit this for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/Sexuality_of_Abraham_Lincoln Nukeh (talk) 18:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thumbs Up Award

Slakr's Thumbs Up Award

For your excellent contributions, I hereby award you this thumbs up. Well, actually it's a dismembered hand with its thumb pointing upwards, which is kind of weird when you think about it, but it's the thought that counts, right? :P Anyway, great job on all of the unblock requests, fighting vandals, speedy deletes, and, well, everything. Plus, you've got a killer bathrobe. :)

Thanks for helping out. Keep up the great work =) --slakr 04:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the thanks! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:hAl

The user is fighting all over Office related articles. He honestly doesn't seem quite able to understand what we're explaining to him. Already off of his block: 1) User renames a section 2) hal changes it back and I warned him for that. Do some people never learn? Your call on what to do... I'm fed up with trying to explain things. Scarian 09:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Additional note - I've left edit war warnings on the Standardization of Office Open XML and Office Open XML articles. It's the same gang of users in a content dispute (Article bans, anyone?). I feel outnumbered and as if my policy/guideline rantings just aren't getting through to anyone... I'm exhausted. Scarian 12:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Take this up at WP:ANI to get additional support for the article bans and/or wider blocks on all involved parties. I will support any reasonable proposal you give there to curb this problem. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Jack Warner FAC

Hi Jayron32, This message is to inform you that I recently nominated Jack Warner as a featured article candidate. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, again, for your review of the article, which inspired a substantial reworking of the lead and reorganization of the body. Cheers, -- twelsht (talk) 09:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Kenny199

He stopped eleven minutes before final warning. Bad AIV report, please consider undoing. - Revolving Bugbear 18:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

He also has one real edit. - Revolving Bugbear 18:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Peer review quotation

Hi Jayron: I'm wondering if it would be okay with you if I quote you in a dispatch on peer review for next week's issue of the Misplaced Pages Signpost. Please follow the link to see the draft, and the quote I have in mind. Thanks, Geometry guy 18:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Good deal! Go ahead and quote me. If you need anything else, just let me know! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Cheers Jayron! Geometry guy 18:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Sock

This guy is claiming that you blocked him before, any idea what he's talking about? Dreadstar 02:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries, the guy was blocked indefinitely for abusing socks, evading blocks and generally tedentious editing. At least three unblock requests were denied and his userpages protected for unblock abuse. You done good...;) Dreadstar 20:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Prague Spring

Hi Jayron, you think you could take another look at that article and give me a few tips for improvement? I wish to take it to FAC soon, so any comments would help me now, thanks! The Dominator (talk) 02:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you point to what you are talking about?

Hi Jayron, you left me a note about my editing. A single purpose IP account reverted a number of my edits without edit summaries, so I considered this vandalism. Is that not correct? If so I apologize. I have been working on correcting nationality in the lead sentence of biograpahies. Can you please look at my edits and see if you agree or not? I am trying to use edit summaries and the talk pages. Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees

Hi, on the page you said the Lifetime Achievement & Non-performer categories were merged. However, the source you provided only said the non-performers one was renamed, and the rest of the official site gives no indication of a merge of the two categories. Is there something I'm missing? -- Scorpion 19:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It is a bit of a tricky issue. As far as I can tell, the achievement category no longer exists and for a while seems to have functioned as the non-performer category. However, I think the two sections should remain seperate for the time being as they are currently recognized as seperate categories on the official website. -- Scorpion 02:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Blatant advertising

OK, if Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism isn't the place to report it, then what is the correct place? Thanks. -- Dougie WII (talk) 03:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Point Taken

I was just looking through the rules. Thought the Arbitration Committee might be interested in their actions. Sent an email to the arb com and put them on notice for BITE'ng me. Anyways, thanks for caring man. InvisibleDiplomat (talk) 06:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously. The arbcom has better things to do than to deal with this. Ryan and Metros have done nothing wrong, and this line of action is sure to go poorly for you. Just go back to editing articles, and let the whole thing drop. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Mortgage Guaranty Insurance Corporation

Please keep an eye on this article for slow moving sockpuppetry and libelous allegations. The Evil Spartan (talk) 08:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked as a Justjihad sock. Keep me aprised if similar problems come back again. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Unblocking Me

Thank you for understanding and removing the block. Im glad this situation is behind us and the vandals have been stopped.--L33t-Geek (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Please return to civil, uncontroversial editing. Good day. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

unblock on WNDL42 - why?

Can yo explain the following?Y

"Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of IP REDACTED FOR PRIVACY REASONS lifted or expired."

I am apalled by the amount that in going on in hidden emails here. There is no transparency at all, and given the character involved I have every right to be 100% paranoid. He is "requesting" to all and sundry it seems. My belief in Misplaced Pages is dwindling with each event here. The language in the "reason(s)" above is impossible to find any meaning in. EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT MEANS!!!????! --Matt Lewis (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Another admin lifted the direct block, but forgot to lift the autoblock. You are going to have to talk to Rlverse or Dreadstar, who ACTUALLY unblocked him. I have no idea other than that. Good luck. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Ncmvocalist

There was 15 minutes left in the block. What was the point of the unblock? It's not like he's going to stop complaining or anything... Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 17:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Of all things, now he probably thinks that you support his side. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 17:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
If he continues to be disruptive, I will personally reblock him myself again. Just let me know. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for assuming good faith (clearly, unlike certain others) in removing the block. Given that this action was taken before the block expired and appears to be in entire agreement with the reasons for my request, I have reconsidered. I am postponing the action I initially intended on taking immediately against the admin who enforced the unreasonably unnecessary block. Hopefully, this action will not be necessary at all in the future. However, if the admin continues to make similarly poor decisions, or continues to assume bad-faith (as above) and the like, then I will not hesitate to proceed as I had planned earlier to review his adminship, and this incident will be used as evidence. Due to the circumstances surrounding this case, I think this is quite a reasonable step. Still, I would like to thank you for your time, patience and understanding in fulfilling my request. Ncmvocalist (talk) 02:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Honest to God. I was just screwing with you. I think you've been totally unreasonable, and I think the block was fully justified. I fully support Nishkid's block, and if I were him I would reinstate it. I only unblocked you because I thought it would be silly to remove the block 5 minutes before it expired. Don't take it as anything besides me being a dick... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
fwiw, Ncmvocalist is back rv warring minutes/hours after coming back. He's warring on Carnatic music - an article on which he already has a 3rr vio in the past. Please check his contribs. Thanks. Sarvagnya 03:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh, that was a fast reblock. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not love) 04:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: User:Another Four Plasmids

I was observing what is occurring re: this. I know you're an administrator and know the policies quite well, but I still wanted to say that I was the person who first noticed the use of Slim Virgin's page when I went to the the user's page to leave a message and found it to be quite confusing. WP:Harass says "Harassment is defined as a pattern of offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to have the purpose of adversely affecting a targeted person or persons" which is what it initially did until I sorted out what had happened. I couldn't understand why an administrator would purposely insert a fragment like "is also a prominent substance abuser" into the lead sentence of an article. WP:Harass also says "There is no way to spell out all the behaviors that can be considered harassment from the early incubation of a pattern to an unmistakable offense" and since Slim Virgin approached this user first and removed her page material, and when it was removed again by Crum375, the edit summary specifically said "This is a form of harassment -- please stop." AFP was aware it was objectionable, thus negating any argument that he/she has violated no policy. I admit that my own experience with this user wasn't the best, it also tended to lean toward the disregard of requests and perhaps purposefully evasion of actual issues. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Confused by blocked IP

Hey, Jayron. IPs can't be autoblocked, so this is probably one of my Shankbone rangeblocks. I'll check it out. east.718 at 06:15, March 13, 2008

It's me!

I know you remember me. Hehe! I changed my name. See my page, and I think you'll recognize who it is. How are you doing, by the way? おべんとう むすび (Contributions) 08:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw you changed your name. DOing pretty good here myself! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Riana's request for bureaucratship

Dear Jayron, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats.
I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight.
I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community.
I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana 12:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Pretty flower, not goat-fucking owl. Sorry, maybe next time. ;) ~ Riana 12:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Per our discussion on IRC

  • Peer review for Homerun (film): I am the primary contributor to this article and am aiming for GA status; I do not intend to take this article through the endless nitpicking and incivility that is FAC. This article has already received two reviews; you may wish to do the other one first.
  • Peer review for Flag of Singapore: The primary contributor, Jacklee has not edited the article recently. Although I am currently aiming for GA status, this article is a potential National Day Main Page FA, so review with FAC in mind.

When you have the time, please read the articles and post your feedback at the peer reviews. Thanks.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

ZZ

LOL, I do believe that's the first time in my life I've ever been called a "zealous Zionist." Funny, just a couple weeks ago I was accused of "spreading anti-Semitic hate speech." Sometimes you just gotta laugh ... And thanks for the assist; I don't feel so bad about blocking that one right off any more. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 16:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we don't need that shit around anymore. I protected his talk page and said "Shalom" to that tool... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 16:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Block evasion

Please see User_talk:The_Evil_Spartan#Possible_3RR_block_circumvention_by_Gni. The Evil Spartan (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

IP 12.186.80.1

This user has been unblocked due to my request. Just thought you should know. Dusti 17:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

All good man. You were the wronged party, so it is entirely up to you... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Its all good. I know who did it and they were just joking. Its all moot. Dusti 18:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Adoption or Joint Adventure?

After 2 weeks on Wave Power, it is fairly clear that page is very important to Alternative Energy and it needs to be re-written to bring it up to speed and exceed the Discovery Channel. No joke, I just added 2 patents to the main article, tracked the assignee, and saw their work on a Discovery clip. Fabulous stuff. Given that I am conflicted with www.gewp.org , what can we (mouse in my pocket) / I do to help re-write the article and push it up in importance in the appropriate portals? Not only am I conflicted with gewp, but I am running Google Adwords on the keywords "alternative energy" and "wave power", world-wide. That's half my income, so you might be able to see that I am very serious about doing anything I can to head off (buzz words deleted) over energy.Nukeh (talk) 20:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Did you just say that you have a financial interest in seeing this article's position in search engine's improved, and that is your motivation for editing it in a certain way? I just want to be clear on that. Please clarify --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I am financially conflicted in the opposite manner as normally encountered: My work for gewp.org is pro bono and gewp.org itself places all new technology into the public domain, creating a patent bar immediately upon publication. My payment for AdWords is a charitable contribution to gewp, and gewp is a 501(c)3 nonprofit in formation. I do this as an experienced inventor in biotechnology, having ~600 uspto.gov patent references. One of my patents was litigated through three levels of court up to the CA Supreme Court in 2006, and the award was a record: $34.5M. I also figure the US government has ~ $50M in me via grants and training over a 30 year period. Given the status of energy in our world, and some of the obvious consequences for the future (war, stagflation, greenhouse, nuclear proliferation, etc.), I feel that I have no choice but to act in a charitable manner as an inventor. My affiliations are exclusively to www.gewp.org, and other charitable organizations, having retired from all other work years ago. I have no financial interest in anything except blinded CA State bonds which are the current source of my charitable giving.Nukeh (talk) 02:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Gni ban

Jayron32, I hope you'll reconsider what you wrote here: "Actually, having looked over the whole of the changes to the article, it is you who proprose the major changes while several other editors seem to independently ALL disagree with your changes, and wish to maintain the article's status quo."

The major edit which was being battled over was the insertion into the first sentence of the judgment that CAMERA is pro-Israel (as opposed to "is cited as pro-Israel," which appears in a later sentence and is obviously accurate.) For almost the entire history of this article, there was no such assertion in the first sentence. It was added quite recently, and I was trying to revert to the previous status quo -- while discussing on the discussion page. The other editors would revert this change immediately, and often wouldn't engage in real discussion that addresses specifics questions I raised in the discussion section. Now, it may be true that 3 or 4 editors -- whose biases I won't bother to discuss -- disagreed with me. But that doesn't seem to be a reason to block me, remove the 'neutrality disputed' tag (not you, but the other administrator), and allow the others free reign to make their one-sided edits. (I should note also that there was someone else who backed my view, but he, too was ignored. Even Nagle, who doesn't tend to agree with me on this article, was ignored when he proposed compromise language. Now a new person is proposing compromise language, and is being ignored. So what can be done?) Thanks for your comments. Gni (talk) 03:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)