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'''Keep it''' the pub crawl is just people going to pubs and drinking but that is on. I don't see why our tradition can't be included and noticed.]

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The result of the debate was Keep (no consensus). --Ryan Delaney  08:21, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Zeta Alpha II



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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3  12:36, August 15, 2005 (UTC)



I'm in a rat in a cage


A fairly blatant attempt to "evangelize" this catchphrase, as the "Regal Social Club" (rather undoubtedly the page's authors) are openly declared to be doing.  Delete. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:20, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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Here's a park bench photo.  I took this pic at a park in downtown San Francisco yesterday:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/NicCageSticker.jpg



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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Handface


Delete Band vanity, 318 Google hits  Soltak 00:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:13, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



U.S.S. Lalo


Delete non-notable fancruft ... I would direct everyone to User:Soltak/Views#Fancruft for specific comments Soltak 00:30, 9 August 2005 (UTC)





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The result of the debate was speedy. Sasquatch↔讲↔看 21:04, August 9, 2005 (UTC)



Mike Slinde


This page should not be deleted, though the person that the page is documenting is not at this point in time very important to American society his life is one of the average American story, which is timeless. The very thought that the people here at Misplaced Pages are so unpatriotic as to delete the very essence of the American story is quite disturbing at this time of national hard ships. I hope the people here at Misplaced Pages can realize the mistake they would be making and change their mind on the subject.

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Delete nn, vanity, Google shows high school athlete, minimal hits DR31 (talk) 00:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 01:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Canadian and American health care systems compared


This falls under the category of "what wikipedia is not" because it is essentially "Opinions on current affairs". I have never seen one encyclopedia article anywhere that attempts to compare any two subjects. Any page that attempts to compare the merits of two things or two systems in inherently unencyclopedic. Barneygumble




Keep. If we're going to worry about "excess of information" than we might as well stop contributing to Misplaced Pages now and consider it done. Zhatt 16:59, August 9, 2005 (UTC)





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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Dragon Summit


This is cruft and has copyvio problems. I suggest deleting this page. HKT  00:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)







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The result of the debate was merge and redirect to American Dragon: Jake Long. --Ryan Delaney  08:31, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Ski Trip


Delete non-notable cruft HKT  01:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:08, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



The Totnes Peace Group


Yet another non-article from User:Maoririder. Can probably be speedied, but thought I'd better confirm through vfd first. Grutness...wha? 01:10, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Scienceite


Neologism --malathion  01:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Blast Off


Vanity entry for a non-notable club night of strictly local interest. Nandesuka 02:01, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3  12:40, August 15, 2005 (UTC)



Bursa (Star Wars)


non-notable fancruft Dismas 02:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



KreepyKingdom.com


Not notable website, quasi-advert-- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 02:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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Deez nuts


Because it's already been deleted once and belongs on urbandictionary, not here. AshTM 06:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)






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The result of the debate was delete. Dmcdevit·t 06:42, August 20, 2005 (UTC)



Deez nuts


Deeez Nuuuts was nominated for deletion on 2005-05-26.  The result of the discussion was "delete".  For the prior VFD discussion, see Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Deeez Nuuuts.


Slang that is most likely only known to the author and his buddies. Dismas 02:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Spazer


Non-notable outside of the game. Dismas 03:00, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Robert A. Rohwer


I tried googling his name and came up with about 180 hits, however many of those hits are from mirror sites of wiki. Others are a different Robert A. Rohwer. I can't really find enough info on him to expand into an article. Delete as non-notable.-- Dysepsion 23:08, 8 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was Speedied by Zzyzx11. android79 03:53, August 9, 2005 (UTC)



Matt Costill


Nearly empty vanity page.  No assertion of notability.  Should be speedied. Nandesuka 03:13, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Hi, Nandesuka. You can speedy it yourself with the tag {{db|reason}}. This is clearly a candidate. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do it myself, so I won't. Sdedeo 03:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)





It's being edited and updated at the moment. -The guy who's editing and updating it.




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The result of the debate was delete



The Carlow Crab


"Carlow Crab" gets zero Google hits, as do most of the other characters mentioned in the article (although googling "ashley asshole" does produce a bunch of rather, uh, interesting webpages).  Perhaps it is a work of original fiction by the anon IP author. -- Curps 03:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




JUST DELETE IT. NOW! DELETE IT! IT HAS BEEN ON FOR TOO LONG. DELETE!



  • Delete when the only page that comes up on search is the wiki delete log...that's bad. --Etacar11 00:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Set fire to either page, or my eyes - Hahnchen 01:39, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Speedy Delete nn, fiction, original work, nonsensical.  It also hurt my poor little brain. --Apyule 05:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete, and then stab in the face with a sharp fork.  ral315 14:23, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Delete, will this take 2 weeks to delete, by the way.
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  • comment - I can't help but notice that people who appoint themselves hall monitors and removed articles like this from the speedy delete pile rarely come here to then vote on the matter.  Sometimes I wonder if there isn't a subtle sort of vandalism going on here that ensures ridiculous pages like this stay up for weeks past their expiration date.
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  • Delete.  Or possibly transwiki to Uncyclopedia.  In fact, I'll put a copy there now, it's not like I need anyone's consensus to add something to Uncyclopedia. Aquillion 07:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 01:03, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Etherlords


Besides it's blatant promotional tone "You must simply have this game."  It's not very informative. 66.50.97.114 03:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Buggi


Possible vanity page for a SimCity 4 modder. Speedy delete advisable. ╫ 25  03:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC) ╫




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The result of the debate was KEEP. But it needs moving, although I am not sure to where. -Splash 01:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Schabeefsteak


Slang dicdef.




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:54, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Ancient empires and their roles


Personal essay




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Ananya


WP:WINAD. Dicdef. Already transwikied. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 04:28, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



New Media Education, New Media in Sri Lanka, Web Media Studios


In early 2005, several vanity/advertising pages were formed in Colombo, Sri Lanka... Martg76 04:32, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was Speedied by Fire Star. Closing. Essjay ·   Talk 07:21, August 9, 2005 (UTC)



Cock pushup


Not notable neologism/new phrase.  161 google results-- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 05:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)





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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Banal


A dictionary entry, but Wiktionary already has its own article on banal. Kushboy 05:34, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Midwstern culture


total nonsense Mcfly85 05:39, 9 August 2005 (UTC)








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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 01:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Los Zodiacs


More band vanity. Delete <drini ☎> 06:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Keep, the term "band vanity" should only be applied to non-notable bands. Kappa 09:45, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Weak Keep.  If what the article seems to be saying about them pioneering rock/ballads and appearing regularly on two channels is correct, then they're certainly notable.  It would be nice, though, if we had someone familiar with the Peruvian music scene around to confirm/deny their notability.  They only get 160 Google hits, but that doesn't necessarily mean very much when talking about a Peruvian band that was big thirty years ago...  If it is kept then it will clearly need a great deal of cleanup and work, which is another problem given the difficulty of getting information about them.  Still, even if it was almost exclusively in one country, a band that has had genuine influence and exposure does deserve to be on Misplaced Pages. Aquillion 11:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • There aren't any articles on Allmusic.com about this band nor any English articles available through Google. Delete as unverifiable unless evidence presented of band.


Keep and expand given some evidence. Unfortunately no source documents in English
Capitalistroadster 11:41, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was that Misplaced Pages:requests for comment will take it from here.  The article is now listed at RFC, and discussion of the content dispute has as a consequence begun to appear on the article's talk page.  No-one either here or there has expressed a desire for an administrator to actually delete the article, and no comments have appeared here for almost 12 hours, whereas discussion has appeared on Talk:virii in that time.  I'm closing this deletion discussion early, on the grounds of the nomination being a simple application of VFD by mistake, and so that there is just the one place for the content dispute discussion. Uncle G 00:55:31, 2005-08-10 (UTC)



Virii


I'm putting this up so official consensus can override 154.20.32.131's weird desire to have a seperate article for virii. Virii should be a redirect to plural of virus. Otherwise would be silly, as the plural of virus article clearly states the problem with "virii" and already contains the information present in virii. Apostrophe 06:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Alanna


WP:WINAD. Dicdef. Already transwikied. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 04:11, August 9, 2005 (UTC)



  • Delete if said article has already been transwikied.  ral315 14:25, August 10, 2005 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Anemocracy


Neologism. Complete text is "An obscure nonce word meaning government by the wind." Obscure is right, Google returns 200 hits, of which the top are all Misplaced Pages and mirrors. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 06:42, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:55, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Ape Shit


A somewhat neologistic (I hadn't heard of it but Google shows it to be at least verifiable, if not overly common) dicdef. WP:WINAD. Already transwikied for what it's worth. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 06:54, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Greenyarn and Eco-fabric


Delete Spam for a clothing website, aparently created by that site's owner. 68.212.107.223 07:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:11, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Attercop


A dicdef of an archaic word. WP:WINAD and it's already at Wiktionary. Delete. Dmcdevit·t 07:02, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



BioRad


Promotional article on NN company. Article consists of a single line.




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  18:08, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Genoma


Google searches ("Genoma Forum", Genoma Blzbub, link:www.genomaforum.com) seem to yield unrelated pages or the forum itself – non-notable? Mysid (talk) 08:08, August 9, 2005 (UTC)




Why is it neccessary to delete it?  If some members of a forum wish to have an entry, shouldn't they be granted that?  Isn't that what Misplaced Pages is all about?  STi 21:22, 9 August 2005 (MST)



This is a place for people from all over to have fun. Why do you wish for the members not to be able to spread the word for others to join? Let us keep it. Jonny V 20:47, 9 August 2005 (PST)




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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 01:07, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Progress Quest


Looks like a mix of vanity, advertising, and crystal ball. JustinWells 08:26, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand how anybody can spend that much time on an MMORPG. XD 08:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Hi5.com


Lets get rid of this... Delete Usrnme h8er 08:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




Which website are you referring to here - Hi5, the name of the article, or Doulike, the content? Usrnme h8er 08:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm referring to the Hi5.com name not the content. Never even heard of the Doulike website until now. --Dysepsion 22:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Delete unless decent article establishes notability. While Hi-5 gets a lot of Google hits, a lot of them refer to the Australian and US kids program/band Hi-5. Capitalistroadster 01:46, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete.  Notability is not asserted, and it's easily deletable.  ral315 14:29, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Delete. The website is at least as notable as Myspace.com which everyone can see has its own article. But this article has no link to the website... delete it. Deskana 20:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was DELETE  (excluding the first two, all the keep votes are very new users and appear to be sockpuppets). JamesTeterenko 06:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)



Chris Daley


Not notable. Compare Mr. Daley to Steve Irwin, with whom he is claimed comparable. brenneman 09:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




I'm happy to change my vote if someone provides some evidence that Mr. Daley is notable, or tells me what I'm not
 seeing.  Has there been mention of these ads in any major media? - brenneman 00:44, 10 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Delete. This guy may or may not appear in the Army Reserve ad. As an Australian, I've never heard of him which suggests that his profile is pretty low. In response to Aaron Brenneman's question, I'm not aware of any mentions of him and a Google News search for "Chris Daley" Australian Army returns zero hits see . While I respect and honour him as a serviceman, that does not mean that he meets the criteria for an encyclopaedia article. Capitalistroadster 01:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Strong Delete I'm Australian, and I haven't heard of him.  Also a possible hoax. --Apyule 06:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete to support the opinions of the Australians.  Also in this context he is an actor.  Somehow I don't think as an actor this would meet the bar to become an article.  Vegaswikian 06:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep How can you consider yourself Australian and not have known Chris Daley! Regular viewers of the local Channel Nine news in Perth will have most certainly noticed the often controversial "'Daley' Diatribe" segment of the news. He is a prominent figure throughout the Australian television industry (for his notable contributions) AND the Australian army (for his dedicated service). Whilst it may seem suspicious that I have signed up recently, after viewing the comments related to Chris Daley's reputation, I felt I had a duty as a patriotic Australian. WW Rusty Gates 12:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)



I can find no mention of him on any Australian website (including the 9 network).  I'm going to keep my vote unchanged until someone provides some evidence that he exists, such as a website, the time that he is on TV (preferably on the East coast), anything that someone can check . --Apyule 14:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)




looks like sock puppets to me too, though some of Chozza's new edits are good. --Apyule 02:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I can assure you I'm not a sock puppet... whatever that is. I only dicscovered Misplaced Pages a few nights ago and while I was browsing around a Reserves advertisement came on TV. Out of curiousity I checked to see if he had an article, and was surprised to find that it was up for deletion. So I decided to join up to vote yes, and then figured, "Why not add to the encyclopaedia while I'm here?" I'll definitely be a regular contributor. Chozza 09:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome; forgive the assumption of bad faith. Hesperian 14:10, 12 August 2005 (UTC)




The vote also came from Perth, which is where most of the keep votes have come from. Not that it really matters though. --Apyule 01:29, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I think the Chris Daley ads only air in Western Australia. I went to Brisbane for a few weeks in May and didn't see a single one. HipHopOppotomus 09:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Keep, while he is certainyl not as notable as Steve Irwin or Rove, he is fairly popular in WA and worthy of his own article. HipHopOppotomus 09:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Yet another brand new user from Western Australia with a predilection for military edits.  Personally, I think we've got ourselves a whole platoon of meat puppets.  My inability to adhere to the "assume good faith" policy is becoming embarrassing, so I'm going to unwatch this page and leave it to the rest of you.  Hesperian 02:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

      • Apart from Chris Daley, the only military articles I've edited involved the presence of the SAS in Perth. It obviously didn't belong in the "transport" section, and I couldn't figure out where else to put it, but it was still notable. So I created a "Military Presence" section and put some other things in there to fill it out a little. Thank you for your pointless suspicion. HipHopOppotomus 11:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was MERGE to Project Superstar. Clearly not deleting, and consensus among the remainder for a merge. -Splash 01:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Hong Junyang


non-notable, or at the very least merge with Project Superstar - Motor (talk) 09:35:02, 2005-08-09 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was MERGE to Project Superstar. Clearly not deleting, and consensus to merge among all but the nominator. Even including the nominator, it's 5m-2k-1d. -Splash 01:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Kelly Poon


Non-notable - at the very least merge with Project Superstar - Motor (talk) 09:40:23, 2005-08-09 (UTC)



  • Comment The article itself says it all. The TV programme is meant to find the next big singer. Whoever wins it might become notable... until then, their details should be kept on the main programme article... unless, of course, they are notable for other things.- Motor (talk) 09:47:04, 2005-08-09 (UTC)


  • merge (And do we really need their blood type?  Is this a popular statistic in Singapore??) Dismas 09:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

    • I don't get that either, but I note that lots of Japanese videogames and/or cartoons mention the blood type of their character.  So it seems to be a common trope. Nandesuka 15:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep, of interest to fans of the TV show. 10:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC) unsigned comment by User:Kappa
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  • Keep  (well I may have an axe to grind as I worked on it, but...) It is of interest to a reasonable number of Singaporeans and other overseas Chinese.  If she disappears we can always do a VfD later.  In the meantime people who are interested can look her up on Misplaced Pages.  As for the blood type, for some unknown reason blood types have become important in East Asia.  It is thought to be a determiner of character.  Some Japanese companies test applicants these days and it is important when it comes to dating and marriage.  There is no good reason for it as far as I can see, but the sort of people interested in the article will be interested in the fact.  It is also useful as a marker of EA culture. Lao Wai 10:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Merge, re precedent set by contestants from Big Brother, Survivor, etc etc etc. This should have just been merged without clogging up VfD. Proto t c 12:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Merge and Redirect into Project Superstar - as Proto says, we have a precedent from Big Brother etc., it's best to have details of contestants under subheadings on the main article. —Stormie 12:58, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Merge per Proto. Nandesuka 15:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Forumosa.com


Looks like simple self-promotion. Delete.  67.160.63.141 10:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splash 01:30, 16 August 2005 (UTC)



Frank Mohn AS


Tagged for speedy deletion but not a candidate. As a resident of Bergen, Norway, I can confirm that this is a pretty large company in the important shipping equipment industry with more than a thousand employees. I think we should keep this one. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was Keep (no consensus). --Ryan Delaney  18:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Life in the European Union


A POV attempt to portray the European Union as a country with its own culture, geography, education system, sports, etc, in a similar way to the article Life in the United States. All the information here is already discussed in European Union and many other articles. JW 11:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Keep, there's no false or unverifiable information, the subject matter is certainly notable, and it doesn't say that the EU is a country of its own. Europe does have its own culture, geography etc, at least to a certain extent. And while the integration process continues, this becomes more and more of an issue (at least hopefully). - ulayiti (talk) 12:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Europe may have its own culture and geography, but the European Union doesn't. There's no such thing as "life in the European Union", people in Sweden, Italy or Ireland live in different countries. JW 12:11, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

      • Of course it does. And the people in Sweden, Italy and Ireland all have the common denominator of being citizens of the EU (both officially and in practice), and everything that the article states applies to them. And you must see yourself how odd it sounds to claim that there's no life in the European Union. - ulayiti (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

        • That's not what I said. And it is simply not true to say that the member states of the EU have a collective culture or sports that are separate from that of the rest of Europe. JW 12:38, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Merge with European Union. The page seems to be an accurate description of various EU policies, but the title is misleading. Martg76 12:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



Yes that sounds fair. I would agree with a merge. JW 13:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Keep, perfectly legitimate topic jamesgibbon 13:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep – it is an emerging topic. Although this article can not be exactly compared with Life in the United States, a comprehensive article about the “life” in different countries of the European Union is perhaps not out-of-place. --Bhadani 15:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Merge or delete. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and I would certainly recommend merging or deleting the US equivalent as well. All of this should be mentioned or refered to in article like European Union or United States. It's basically an impressionistic article topic that is utterly impossible to clearly define and delimit. It could reasonably include everything from parliamentarism to knitting and can't be limited to just human activities. / Peter  15:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Nowhere in the article does it imply the EU is a country or a monolithic culture. The article is merely a set of summaries of pages about the European Union and its various human and social aspects, all of which are notable. Merging with European Union (which deals primarily with its institutional and technical aspects) is not a good idea as that page is already too long. Qwghlm 16:02, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Strong Keep - I certainly don't think the EU has any monolithic identity beyond the overt structures, but I don't think this article contradicts that, and I don't really see it as POV. It clearly shows how the EU - a notable supranational body - influences these areas of life, as distinct from how it functions as an organisation in itself. AlexTiefling 16:20, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Why do we need a separate article with a fairly confusing and non-encyclopedic scope and title for this? Why can't this be elaboreated on in European Union or articles like sports in the European Union? "Life in XXX" can mean anything and nothing and seems rather to serve some sort of diffuse portal-like function as a link to various "XXX in region/country/union Y"-articles. We have portals, we have articles for the countries, regions, unions, etc., yet for some reason we need yet another article to explain this with far fuzzier terms. Very few readers would probably ever look for this kind of information in this kind of article. This seems to be more about pleasing ourselves rather than non-participating readers. / Peter  16:41, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep. I see no problem with this, certainly not POV issues. Christopher Parham


(talk) 17:42, 2005 August 9 (UTC)



  • Comment - There is not such thing as "life in the European Union" in a way that there could be "life in Denmark" or "life in Ireland". "Life in the European Union" suggests that citizens of the different member states are part of a single community, the way that nations or towns are. That is POV, as well as untrue, and isn't the kind of approach WP should take on a controversial subject. JW 21:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

    • It's arguably POV to claim that EU membership has no communal value, as you are doing. Please don't use VfD to promote your point of view on European politics. AlexTiefling 15:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete. All the information is contained in other articles already. There is no need to have this as a "mirror". Sdedeo 18:32, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete for the reasons stated by Sdedeo, together with the similar Life in the United States which is currently listed for VfD as well Tonywalton 20:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Merge with Culture of Europe. Rd232 22:06, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete: content is quite shallow and overlaps with other articles. Title is misleading. Pavel Vozenilek 23:43, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete. If there is any unique content (none is immediately obvious to me), merge incontinently with either European Union or Culture of Europe, whichever suits said content best. Don't create forks, please! Who would look for this content under such a title? Who would ever look for the title at all? Bishonen | talk 00:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete It is highly POV to suggest that most of this should be separated out from coverage of Europe as a whole. Osomec 05:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep or Merge with Culture of Europe. --142.163.130.240 14:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete: POV, redundant with the main articles referenced. jglc | t | c 17:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep   There are some POV problems (the various treaties aren't discussed in a historical and political context--few of them have been without controversy).  The effects of membership of the Council of Europe and the European Free Trade Area, even the Schengen Agreement, are neglected. So cleanup, too. --Tony Sidaway 18:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

    • It's too bad that the motivation got hung up on the POV, because that's simply not the issue here. The point is that the article is basically a mirror of a bunch of other articles and nothing that anyone would ever search for if wanting this kind of information. It's just as pointless as the US equivalent. / Peter  09:39, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete the EU is an economic association, not a country, nor a region (the region is Europe, and also includes Switzerland). ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 19:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Although there is a clearly defined 'Europe' region which includes non-EU nations such as Norway and Switzerland, it's easy enough to see that one can refer to the EU as a region, identical with the union of the areas of its member states. Such a region includes Tahiti and not Switzerland, but it's still a well-defined region. Otherwise, how are expressions like 'Entering the EU' (of travellers) meaningful?AlexTiefling 15:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

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    • The EU is not just an economic association, it's also a political one ('ever closer union'). -- Joolz 10:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep - 68.72.139.4 16:32, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep --§ 00:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep this article is not a POV attempt at trying to portray the EU as a single country with it's own identifiable culture, rather it's a summary of a number of topics which all citizens of the EU/member states have in common (e.g. the eurasmus programmes, elections to the same parliament, Lisbon strategy etc) and therefore it serves a different purpose to other articles. -- Joolz 10:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was delete. Coffee 15:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)



East Scandinavian Norwegian dialects


I'm relisting this because of the lack of response in this nomination's first go-around. Dmcdevit·t 06:45, August 20, 2005 (UTC)


Original research most likely based solely on the fact that SIL International on very shaky grounds have classified the two official written standards of Norwegian though they were spoken languages (Norwegian has no official spoken standard language) and placed the one based on written Danish (Bokmål) among the East Scandinavian languages, despite the fact that spoken Norwegian is considered a West Scandinavian language in literally all other sources, encyclopedias and linguistic literature alike. The article contains no (factual) information that isn't already mentioned in Norwegian language or Norwegian dialects and should be deleted as an altogether misguiding and flawed article title.

Peter  12:05, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Don't know. Sounds like a content dispute? Kim Bruning 23:59, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

    • Well, the content is not exactly top of the line, but the problem is the article title itself. It contains a pretty serious factual error in claiming that spoken Norwegian could be classified as East Scandinavian. / Peter  01:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Keep and rewrite to reflect the above controversy. There's a source right in the article text, which you also mention, so the issue is not unverifiable, it is disputed. Christopher Parham (talk) 14:31, 2005 August 20 (UTC)

    • Uhm, there's no source in the text at all. There's a link to SIL in the infobox, but their entries are on written standards of Norwegian which are not used by people speaking certain dialects, but are up to the discretion and language-political views of the individual speaker. The classification is founded on the fact that Norwegians wrote in Danish when Norway was part of Denmark and that Bokmål is based on written Danish. However, to use this fact to support the claim that everyone who write Bokmål actually speak Danish (or a language derived from Danish) is pretty far-fetched. The Ethnologue entry does not mention anything about the spoken dialects in this article. I would not mind to be proven wrong about this, but I would like to see it done with proper sources and reasoning. / Peter  15:13, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

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    • While I think this issue might deserve mention, this article is not good and I'm not familiar enough to reform it. No vote. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:42, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
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  • Current article has no value. I have read the Ethnologue entry for Norwegian and, quite frankly, it's bullshit. The article also contains false information. But I find myself agreeing with Christopher Parham. Punkmorten 15:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

    • SIL's credibility is truly crappy when it comes to North Germanic languages. Their separate classification of Scanian and blatant factual errors in synonyms for what they like to call "Dalecarlian" is enough to disregard them as a credible authority in these matters. Just the fact that they're inventing English names for languages is bad enough. It's not a matter of POV, it's just a complete lack of logic in some of the entries. Hopefully, they'll amend this in the 16th edition of the Ethnologue. / Peter  16:01, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete These dialects do not exist. Sam Vimes 22:35, 21 August 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was delete. Coffee 15:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)



Submerged carco pump


I am relisting this because there were only two voters. Dmcdevit·t 06:47, August 20, 2005 (UTC)


Tagged for a speedy, but not a candidate. Unlike Frank Mohn AS (which I voted to keep) this article looks a little bit like advertising, and I am unsure of notability, so I will abstain from voting on this one. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)




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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  08:13, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Salveto


Delete - This language appears to be a very recent invention. As far as I can see, it has no significance whatsoever, and its web presence is limited to this wiki article and the language's homepage (267 ghits all-in). Besides, the article is extremely short. IJzeren Jan 13:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Delete - Most of the 270 Ghits are uses of the word "salveto" in Latin or Italian.  Googling for "salveto language" gets 33 Ghits, again mostly uses of the Latin word; I looked at all three pages of hits and found no third-party reference to the language except in Misplaced Pages mirrors and the "Fallen Tower" conlang list. --Jim Henry | Talk 15:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Delete agree with above, most of the low google score is misc usage (people's last names, etc.) unrelated to the "language".  I counted only 3 unique Google hits related to the language: 2 on its official site and one the wikipedia article.  The official site, by the way, has no alexa rank at all. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:33, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Delete. NN at the moment.  If it takes off in any way, a new page can be put up. --Apyule 06:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)



Keep. To put it bluntly: I don't see that we should have criteria for 'notability', period. Quality of material (as in accuracy, objectivism, etc), lack of advertisement, and keeping meta-articles clean, sure. But deleting something just 'cause it's not popular or it's currently too stubby? No. Saizai 09:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)



Even if we ignore notability, it's not verifiable without some kind of original research; all the information available about it is from the language's creator.  That's what my comments on my vote, above, were about.  See Misplaced Pages:Conlangs/Notability, verifiability, merit, completeness for recent debate on this. --Jim Henry | Talk 11:21, 13 August 2005 (UTC)



Indeed. Look, Saizai, there are thousands of constructed languages around, most of them are merely sketches that are abandoned by their creators after a short while. We surely don't want entries about all of them, so we have to draw the line somewhere. Now, I tend to be rather inclusive and tolerant, but still I think sóme significance is required. In the case of a conlang that could be: a certain number of users, a book that at least mentions it, some proof that it has evoked discussion in academic circles, or whathaveyou. This language simply doesn't meet any of those standards. --IJzeren Jan 06:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I see two points here. First off, I can understand the "verifiability" clause... for most other items on Misplaced Pages.


HOWEVER, conlangs are in my opinion different in a way that makes this not just unnecessary, but exclusionary. Verifiability by definition is so that you know that the info is good, the thing being written about actually exists as described, etc. With a conlang or other work of art, it is 'self-defining'. If the author posts the conlang, ipso facto, it exists as described. Any talk of "verifying" it - e.g. by others talking about it, etc. - goes solely towards 'notability'.


So that bring up my second point. I don't see reason to exclude things from Misplaced Pages for notability. If it's small and not particularly interesting, then don't mention it in the main articles, or in the more exclusive "these conlangs are interesting/notable" lists. But there is no reason I can understand not to have an article about it for whatever it's worth, or to not include it on an all-inclusive list. So I only support "notability" for that 'alone': determining what to include in high-level / central articles. (And FWIW, I would support including as an article even sketch conlangs, if there's anything to say about them, so long as they don't cause namespace problems  and aren't included on "notable conlangs" lists.) --Saizai 15:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)



Delete.  I created this article back when I was less familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies regarding verification and original research.  My bad.  It looks like the Salveto.net Web-site hasn't been updated since, and an e-mail I sent to its author has bounced.  The ideas behind this conlang are very good ones, and it's unfortunate that this project did not take off thus far. --Alex Libman 23:01, August 15, 2005 (UTC)



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The result of the debate was delete. --Ryan Delaney  07:57, 19 August 2005 (UTC)



Tinny mish


Some guys walking and drinking. DJ Clayworth 14:01, 9 August 2005 (UTC)



  • Keep it the pub crawl is just people going to pubs and drinking but that is on. I don't see why our tradition can't be included and noticed. shaneo619
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  • Pub crawls are notable because they are something that people around the world (or at least in English-speaking countries) recognize and do.   Can you provide some evidence that "tinny mish" is a well-known phenomenon, and not just something your group of friends do?  If so, I'll support you to keep this.  Until then, delete. Nandesuka 15:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Unverifiable and not notable. Capitalistroadster 15:18, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete no Google hits, so it's unverifiable for a start.  Sounds fun though. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:27, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Why does it have to be a "phenomenon". I don't understand why you're so dead set against its inclusion. I don't see why we can't share our different traditions. shaneo619

    • Please understand that it isn't anything personal, just that an encyclopedia isn't the place to share one's own personal traditions.  It isn't that it's a bad tradition, just that this isn't the place for it.  Encyclopedic content must, at a very minimum, be verifiable: for example, mentioned in the press, referenced in books, that sort of thing.  Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:50, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
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  • Delete. If 4000 people do it every year, it's "notable".  If 4 do it, it isn't.  Maybe http://www.uncyclopedia.org might be the place? Tonywalton 19:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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  • Delete bizarre.  NN/unverified. --Etacar11 00:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)



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Keep it the pub crawl is just people going to pubs and drinking but that is on. I don't see why our tradition can't be included and noticed.shaneo619


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