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Smert' spamionem! This user is a member of WikiProject Spam.

I check in most mornings and most evenings, and occasionally some days during the day. I am on UK time (I can see Greenwich Royal Observatory from my new office). If you post a reply at 8pm EST and get no reply by 10pm, it's likely because I'm asleep. My wiki interests at the moment are limited. I still handle some OTRS tickets.

I am under considerable personal stress at the moment; my father died and I have a lot of other stuff going on in RL including a new job as senior engineer for enterprise storage and virtual infrastructure in a Fortune 500 company. Great job, lots of shiny expensive toys, big responsibility. But Misplaced Pages is still one of my top hobbies, and I come here to do what I can. I respond much better to polite requests than to demands. People who taunt me with "I dare you to block me" may have cause to regret it, as may I. Don't even think of trying to drag me into one of the many cesspits this project offers, I will likely choose only those disputes where I don't actually care too much. Not coming to your party? It's because I've decided it will make me unhappy. Sorry about that.

Above all, please do not try to provoke me to anger, it's not difficult to do, so it's not in the least bit clever, and experience indicates that some at least who deliberately make my life more miserable than it needs to be, have been banned and stayed that way. Make an effort to assume good faith and let's see if we can't get along. Guy (Help!) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

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• See my winter cycling tips - feel free to suggest more!
• My take on the Durova incident.

Note to self

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Istria&diff=192329190&oldid=189359747

cleanups

please undo your deletion of User talk:Jaakobou/Battle of Jenin and User:Jaakobou/Battle of Jenin. Cheers, Jaakobou 18:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't; I've dealt with Jaakobou before, and he's got a problem with POV. Sceptre 18:29, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I know. Abandoned userspace POV-forks, no encyclopaedic benefit, move along please, nothing to see here. Guy (Help!) 19:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Let's try this again but this time in a more collaborative manner and hopefully, without the snide comments by editors who don't know the subject matter.

Please return "User:Jaakobou/Celebrations" for a time span of 5 days. I believe there were a few minor differences between that version and the current one. I'd like to make a comparison and fix whatever it is I could fix and move on to the other pages. Jaakobou 07:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

As noted on your page (above), I request permission to WP:TROUT you for repeated use of the words "POV" and "FORK" in some combination with "no encyclopaedic benefit" bad faith assumptions; and also for lack of conversation/inquiry.

With respect, Jaakobou 13:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Well that made me smile, anyway - the first sane reaction in the whole silly dramah thus far :-) Guy (Help!) 14:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Guy, we have MfD for a reason  :| -- Ned Scott 03:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, this sort of reason: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sherurcij/cars. Guy (Help!) 06:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • JzG, can you please retrieve all the deleted pages (that were not yet retrieved) and posting a list of all the deleted pages on my talk page? I'll run by them as fast as I can and add disclaimers or support/object deletion.
    With respect, Jaakobou 12:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
    p.s. I've also left a comment here. Jaakobou 12:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm actually in need of some of the material on the not retrieved pages, and this lag is somewhat of a disruption to my[REDACTED] work. Please fix this so we can end this undue waste of time. Jaakobou 11:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• I thought they had all been undeleted? I know some have been re-deleted since. Can you be more specific? Guy (Help!) 17:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I actually don't know all the pages you've deleted. Maybe you can go over your deletion history for anything with the word "Jaakobou" in it and list them all here and then we'll quickly run them down? Jaakobou 18:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• I think they were all undeleted already, and some were re-deleted. I don't see any that weren't already undeleted. What do you think is missing? You musty have a fair idea as you say it's hampering your Wiki activity. Guy (Help!) 18:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm pretty sure I'm missing my complaints file on Eleland and PalestineRememeberd, and also my Arbcom related page. I'm not sure what articles were deleted and I also think I accidentally wasn't watching all of them. Can you please list all the pages you deleted so I can be sure to where I'm standing with the material? Jaakobou 00:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist#technocracynet.eu

Hi. I'm following up on a request from an established user -- can you take a look at this one? Thanks, --A. B. 14:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:N/CA

Because of the limited discussion, this proposal was marked rejected. It can be resurrected at any time, and may become useful in the future, but for now, just wanted to thank you for your contributions. Best wishes Fritzpoll (talk) 15:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

VG Cats - talk page

I'll start a new section on the talk page about it. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

User Hibernian

..is using the http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Technocracy_movement Talk:Technocracy movement page like a personal attack blog. Example : Skip quote: "I am not involved in TechInc or NET.". Wow! somebody actually got Skip to admit that he was kicked out of Technocracy Inc.! It took him about 2 years to admit it and come to the realisation, but better late than never I guess! What you didn't mention of-course, is that you were very embittered by that dismissal and have since attacked the organization in any way you can (including on Wiki) and even tried to setup a rival group. You've recently also attempted to insert the name of your "group" into Wiki articles. Hmmm no, no conflicts of interests there, I think Skips just a honest contributor with no hidden agenda at all (And if you can't guess, yes I’m being Sarcastic). --Hibernian end quote.

Could you do something? Could you edit that type of attack off the page ? skip sievert (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a report here as another editor advised. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Talk:Tomislav_II_of_Croatia.2C_4th_Duke_of_Aosta Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts - skip sievert (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit summary

You're right. Responded my talk page. Basically, when told by parties that they don't need to include everything in the source, despite that being the only source they have, because it's "crufty", after seeing them in engage in similar insults to the previous editor who assessed the article, I lost my temper. If you see fit to indicate loss of admin status on that basis, say so and I will withdraw from that status. John Carter (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Nah, you just got carried away. Happens to all of us. Feel free to delete the comments as read and understood, if you realise you did a silly thing then there's no need to rub anyone's nose in it. I only spotted it because I went to Geogre's page for something else, and I was probably overly aggressive myself due to the place I'd come from before that. Bloody Misplaced Pages, full of loons, kooks and Chicken Littles - and that's just me! Guy (Help!) 20:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

And I'm a loon who claims to be from another planet and Chickenman at the same time. But, yeah, I did cross the line. No need to remove the comments though. Megalomaniac types like me need to be reminded to be humble once in a while. :) John Carter (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Stephanie Adams

Why did you fully protect the page? I can understand a semi-protect, but a full is absurd. Every other article about the Playboy "playmates" that I have seen here on Misplaced Pages includes the disputed information. While I disagree with the tactics employed by a certain editor, I agree with his basic point. Playboy is a reliable source for articles about the "playmates," unless someone can make a darn good argument as to why it's not, in my opinion.

I guess I'm not asking you to unprotect the page. I am asking you to restore the information that was being disputed because, in the end, it is accurate and it is standard information for articles of this nature. --InDeBiz1 (talk) 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

reference to issue

I noticed that here... http://en.wikipedia.org/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist#technocracynet.eu MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist - Misplaced Pages, the 💕 user Hibernian (Ross Murphy) is mentioning this site.. which is another blog/forum that is not connected to TechInc the actual group. http://www.technocracy.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=Members_List&file=index&letter=I&sortby=uname&authid=b31ea5612f1f6ec34062fd85bc4cdb96 Hibernian/Icarus user page. Technocracy.ca

I just wished to mention that he is a registered user/participant there.. and that site is a sponsor of the NET site http://www.technocracy.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=Web_Links&file=index&req=viewlink&cid=1 NET promo.Technocracy.ca Also... as has been mentioned he is a registered forum member below. http:DISABLE//en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=85&Itemid=65 Network of European Technocrats - Ross Murphy.

Another editor on wiki named Kolzene is the leader of the TechCa group. Isenhand, Hibernian & Kolzene have acted in unison to control these related articles. Plus other NET forum members. If I could make a suggestion... Technocracy movement would be another good choice in my opinion to put up for an article for deletion. It was purely an invention to support NET. skip sievert (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Historical pederastic couples

Since I know you're capable of drastic action in cleaning this sort of thing up, I was wondering if you'd noticed Historical pederastic couples, which, judging by the one I removed, is full of gross overstatements and misrepresented citations. --Relata refero (disp.) 08:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

winter cycling

it is too late becuase it is summer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.105.89 (talk) 12:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Not in Australia :-) Guy (Help!) 13:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Partisan

Since this template is completely unused and it's purpose easily fulfilled by other existing templates, I was wondering if you would mind deleting it yourself and sparing me from filling out forms 1A through 5D.--BirgitteSB 16:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Which template is used for an article sourced solely from partisan sources? Guy (Help!) 17:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

more need of vanished user replacement

See User_talk:Jim_Butler, for the same username as in User_talk:Anthon01. I'd rather not do it myself for several reasons. --Enric Naval (talk) 19:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Incivility in edit summaries

Guy, would you please not be uncivil to me in edit summaries? Today you've told me Don't be too silly, Martin and Be interested to see if anyone other than a notorious POV-pusher thinks this is inaccurate. Thanks ——Martin ☎ Ψ Φ—— 19:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• The solution is for you to stop being silly and, incidentally, stop POV-pushing. You are becoming tiresome. Guy (Help!) 20:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It is not appropriate for you to respond to a request for basic civility with further insults. Please stop it. I had hoped that the RfC would do some good, but apparently it hasn't. Also, this edit summary is completely inappropriate because it is insulting to many who visit the article, and who might want to edit. ——Martin ☎ Ψ Φ—— 20:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It is not appropriate for you to continue this line of baiting. You may now go away. Guy (Help!) 20:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I will go away after this if you say, because it is your talk page. However, I am in no way baiting you. I am asking you, nicely, to stop the inappropriate behaviors in which you continue to engage. ——Martin ☎ Ψ Φ—— 21:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

And I am asking you, very firmly, to stop advancing your fringe POV in articles, because that (unlike my being impatient with you) actively degrades the encyclopaedia. Guy (Help!) 21:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Just an observation - I'm entirely certain that Martinphi does not see himself as "being silly", "POV-pushing", or "baiting". If someone does not think they're being silly at all, then what good does it do to tell them, "stop being silly"? If he doesn't think he's advancing a fringe POV, then what good does it do to say "stop advancing your fringe POV"?

Reciprocally, Martin, if you're reading here, I'm pretty certain that Guy does not consider "stop being silly" or "stop POV-pushing" to be uncivil. I may be wrong about that, in which case Guy will probably correct me, but we might as well realize that nobody is intentionally doing the things that are being accused here. -GTBacchus 21:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you seriously proposing that Martin is not intentionally "advancing fringe POV in articles"? Raymond Arritt (talk) 22:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course. I'm seriously suggesting that he believes that he is making the articles neutral and correct. Why would anyone try to edit an article into a state that they think is incorrect or biased? He probably actually believes what he believes (like most of us), so he doesn't see it a a fringe POV.

What kind of person sees himself as a fringe POV pusher? "I'm off to push some fringe POV on Misplaced Pages!" What? -GTBacchus 23:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"Process"

Delusions, imagination, even fraud is a process. --Nealparr 20:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, but this was not a process for viewing remote object, sit was a process for extracting money form the government to bolster a fantasy. Guy (Help!) 20:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Assuming that, it is still a process where someone ostensibly views a remote target. If you frame it as a con-job, that's the "trick". --Nealparr 20:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't really understand what you;re saying. Guy (Help!) 20:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

It is certainly a proces for attempting to view by ESP. There shouldn't be any controversy about that. There are completely neutral ways to put it. ——Martin ☎ Ψ Φ—— 21:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure there are, I've just not seen any of the pro-parapsychology POV-pushers suggest anything even close yet. Guy (Help!) 21:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Vanished User's name still appears

here. Needs another pass or so.--Filll (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Abuse of admin tools: editing through protection

You are involved in the content dispute, have have tried to delete this article--in fact, you were the nom for the recently failed Afd, and now you blanking this long term section against consensus--through protection! This is clear abuse of the tools:. Protection is not an endorsement of a version, and its quite improper to use ones tools to get it locked in the version you want it in. I ask for this to be undone. I am making an official effort here to resolve this with you. Thanks.Giovanni33 (talk) 21:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you admit in your edit summary, consensus is lacking, it is completely inappropriate to edit a protected article for items that are not copyright vio or violations of BLP. You should know better. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Guy, so you don't risk loss of your tools, please self-revert this. The article's protected. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 23:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't see someone was already discussing, I reported to AN/I. If this was an accident as it appears, please revert. Thank you. --I Write Stuff (talk) 23:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== re Allegations of state terrorism by the United States ==

Hi. It appears that you edited while the above article was fully protected. Perhaps you may wish to self revert while the discussion plays out on WP:AN? Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Already brought up above. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

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