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Revision as of 03:47, 27 April 2008

Hm, leaving now. I don't really want to be associated with this any further. I was going to write a drama-queenish leaving statement, but that pretty pointless. All I want to say is at User:Doc glasgow/The BLP problem. Misplaced Pages was a great idea, but the structure dooms it - it has hit an ethical problem no-one who started it ever anticipated, and its decision making processes, and lack of responsibility, make it impossible for the community to fix it. Everyone with sense knows the problem, but minorities, and people who like to "play" wikipedia unimpeded, make proper radical solutions impossible. The one man who could make a difference isn't willing to try. So, I've had enough. Before anyone says, he's done this before, I will be scrambling my password this time.--Doc 16:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Responses

I'm extremely sorry and disappointed to see this, but I understand your decision. You have been one of the most ethical, thoughtful, and dedicated Wikipedians and will surely be welcomed back gladly if and when you ever wish to return. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that you have chosen to leave the project. I understand that your personal ethics need to come before your participation in the project. The project will miss your contributions. _{(1 == 2)} 16:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, poo. Can't say I disagree too much though. A hui hou, Doc. --Ali'i 16:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This is terrible news for BLP subjects. They've lost an ally. However, I understand your frustration. Hopefully, whenever Misplaced Pages gets serious about addressing the problems that you raised, it will not be too late to change these problems. Hope to see you come back. daveh4h 17:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Be well, man, you were the best chance BLP had here up to now. A pox on all the people that as you put it enjoy playing anonymously with others' lives, including those that tried to pronounce your recent efforts dead within a week of their being posted. They know who they are, on this page. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 17:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Take care Doc. Thanks for the work you did. -- Naerii 17:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Thanks, SqueakBox 17:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• • This is my pledge you have been a great inspiration to me on the project. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
• Very sorry to hear this. I would have signed that pledge in a heartbeat. Maybe someone should undelete it. ++Lar: t/c 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've done so: Misplaced Pages:Responsible Editing Pledge. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Same, I'm sad to see you leave (and I can't agree more with your essay, which I discovered 2 days ago only) -- lucasbfr 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Take it easy Docg. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Doc, I'm really sorry to see you leave, too. Your efforts to fix BLP have already made a tremendous difference to the ethos of the place, and the efforts will continue. I know that when you have to go, you have to go but best wishes for whatever you choose to do next in your future. If you ever feel the need to get back here, you know where we are. Thanks for everything you've done on the project, and thanks for caring about the important stuff - Alison 18:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to see you go Doc. As a parting gift, I've signed your well thought out pledge. ⇒SWATJester 19:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Best wishes, and thanks for everything you have done. Spartaz 20:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• I, too, am sad to see you go, especially because I agree that the BLP issue needs to be fixed, and by having you leave, it's less likely to happen. Hopefully you will come back. --David Shankbone 20:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
• Inevitable really - "Ships that pass in the night.......Only a look and a voice; then darkness again and a silence." Giano (talk) 21:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Toodles, but I know you'll be back, scrambled egg passwords or not :) --Cactus.man ✍ 21:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I really admired your work on Misplaced Pages, especially concerning BLP incidents. You will be missed. I understand your decision to leave. I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors. I can only hope that you'll decide to come back someday. Best regards. -- Qaddosh||contribs 22:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe not the best place to say this, but I do think that Misplaced Pages can discuss these sort of issues and (eventually) reach some resolution. See Misplaced Pages:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders for a well-structured discussion (admittedly with less input). On a personal note, I too will miss you. I hope we see you around again in some way or another. Carcharoth (talk) 23:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Doc, you were one of the first administrators who crossed my path here; your ethical stance made a very big impression on me and has been a guiding light in my development as an editor. Your ideas will continue to live on and to take shape as time goes on. Perhaps it will not be as quickly as you hoped, but the ship has slowed down and is starting to turn. To paraphrase one of my favourite poems: To you from failing hands I throw/The torch; be yours to hold it high. (Apologies to John McRae) Thanks for keeping it going for us for so long; now it is our responsibility to keep things moving in the right direction. Godspeed to you, sir. Risker (talk) 23:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm the first to admit that we've disagreed on plenty, but really, you and your blp stances are exactly what wikipedia needs, especially at this point in time. I can only hope you'll reconsider, if not, then good luck with what you decide to do. Wizardman 01:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Probobly a good decision Doc. Misplaced Pages =/= Life. Life > Misplaced Pages. Viridae 02:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Doc, there hasn't been a more disheartening departure from Misplaced Pages since RickK left. You were a beacon for fairness and responsibility on Misplaced Pages, and losing you is a stunning blow. Good night and good luck. FCYTravis (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Shite on a stick man, it's a shame. All the best and have a good 'un. Hiding T 10:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I am personally sorry to hear this, and it's very bad news for Misplaced Pages. We have to solve this problem one way or another, and I really liked your approach. --Hans Adler (talk) 12:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages will be poorer without your involvement. You've made it better with your efforts and ideas. Thanks for contributing. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I remember feeling the same way after working very hard with 100 other editors on WP:ATT. It feels awful, I know. Maybe, just maybe, this is not unresolvable. Stick around and let us make it happen. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Funny you mention WP:ATT. That caused me to walk for a while and caused me to rethink my whole approach to Misplaced Pages. Hiding T 09:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

So Don't Go Away

But say that you'll stay

Forever and a day Enigma Review 20:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I never had much contact with you, and I haven't always agreed with you, but I do know that you've always done things for the betterment of wikipedia. Thanks for everything, and enjoy real life (I've heard it's nice). --Kbdank71 17:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Question is, what to do with this essay now he has buggered off? Move to wikispace or delete? I find it disengenuous in the least to have been linked to a 'named essay' whose creater has decided to jack it in and leave. As far as the reasons for leaving, well, I think anonymous editing was always a cornerstone of wikipedia, and anyone trying to overturn it, especially of the likes of L Cohen in support of 'harmed' peopled like G Stefano, well the less said the better, but they will probably need a supreme court judgement, so no wonder that silence or running away is the preferred option. Anyway, I posted an opinion as to the fact this percieved problem is bigger than just BLP's if they really want the drama, but then laughably I found the author has fucked off. So, either move this essay to mainspace or delete it, because calling this DocG's essay in discussions anymore is dishonest and misleading. MickMacNee (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, the more I read Doc Gs parting message, particularly paragraph 4, the less I see that anyone with a true sense of what wikipedia actuallys is, could actually agree with him. I think sometimes wikipedians think they are above wikipedia, yet still want to be wikipedians beyond the grave. Well, as they always concede, this isn't the case, babylon will not fall in your absence, and in cases such as LaraLove, people may actualy cheer your non-neutral disappearance, so leave, and leave quickly and quietly. Anything else, and you are a liar to yourself as a former wikipedian. I absolutely resent the idea that a wikipedia article on john doe of hickstown is any less damaging than an article on the next big thing in hydrogen cars. Anyone who thinks this is not an encyclopoedian, but a biographopoedian. Well, big news, articles about things as well as people can cause harm and or lawsuits, or are we all collectively stupid (this would be a classic leaver argument, so I retract). Peace out. MickMacNee (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)