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User:98.203.11.142 worming his way around a block

You blocked this user yesterday after I reported him on WP:ANI, but now he's wormed his way out of the block! As User:76.119.175.36 (both IPs trace to Mount Laurel, NJ), he's continued his vandalism!--Yolgnu (talk) 08:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Now he's User:98.203.107.95!--Yolgnu (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Since he's jumping from IP to IP, I've semi-protected the articles he's hitting. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVI (April 2008)

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Lol

Check before reverting vandalism to another vandalism. ;) --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom case

Please believe me when I tell you how bummed I am that it's come to this, but I guess there's no other way. The case I filed against you is here: . IronDuke 00:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pure paranoid silliness. It really doesn't reflect well on you. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

So, I've given it some thought and, all things considered, I'd prefer not to go through an ugly arbcom case if there's a way around it. If you were willing to promise to leave me alone, I'd be willing to withdraw the case (assuming the arbs would let me do that). This wouldn't address everything I've brought up, but I'm much more interested in being left to edit in peace than I am in seeing you sanctioned. Does that sound reasonable to you? IronDuke 20:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Vukovar

I'm new to Misplaced Pages and noticed this article was mainly your creation, so I just wanted to alert you to my recent post on the talk page of that article. I'm not sure what is the right course here and thought you might want to have a look. Civilaffairs (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs

Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act

Hi Chris. I found an article you might be interested, dated January 1964, in a magazine named Fact: "The Fight Against Mental Health." Since you've mainly authored the Misplaced Pages article, I thought this might be of interest to you. (The PDF is available by clicking on the page icon on the right, but I will remove it once you have it, as my web hosting space is limited.) -- Raymond Hill (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting, thanks for the link! Will you be leaving the HTML version of the article up on your site? -- ChrisO (talk) 17:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I will keep the HTML version. -- Raymond Hill (talk)

Help?

Jason Beghe

Having trouble with an IP and then a new user inserting poorly sourced info into this article, for example . Could you pitch in your advice or help out? Or do you think I should report this to some noticeboard or start an RFC? I think it is pretty obvious that the sourcing is inappropriate and the info should be removed, pending a citation to a secondary WP:RS/WP:V source. Cirt (talk) 17:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, others weighed in. Cirt (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Battlefield Earth (film)

Could you provide your input here on the talkpage regarding the inclusion of quotes from The Daily Show, The Washington Post, and film critic Richard Roeper in the Critical reception section of the article? Cirt (talk) 22:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could comment again in that thread? Despite the fact that you, me and Bullzeye (talk · contribs) seem to agree, for some reason the thread is still continuing ... Cirt (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

There is now an ongoing WP:RfC, would appreciate it if you could check it out - bottom of the article's talkpg. Cirt (talk) 21:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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HY

I think that we need a help of neutral administrator here:http://en.wikipedia.org/Template_talk:Ethnic_Macedonians there it's a vote about national simbol of Ethnic Macedonians,and i dont think that we are going to find compromise. I woud be wery pleased if someome real neutral administrator coud look that debate.

Thanks --Makedonij (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

"Honest Reporting" alert, criticising WP anti-wikilobby action

Thought you might want to see this, from aggressive media-response alert site Honest Reporting, on the subject of the recent blocking of six users for wikilobbying:

Exposed - Anti-Israeli Subversion on Misplaced Pages

It's based on some further pieces here.

I've started a thread at WP:AN. -- Jheald (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Aegean Macedonians

Hello. Is there any reason why you closed this discussion after I added a {{closing}} tag? That made about half an hour of reading and writing on my part redundant.  Sandstein  18:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong. If no decision has been taken (delete, merge or keep) but the article continues its life cycle... then it seem to me that a decision has been taken to keep it. This can seem unproductive. Thanks Politis (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, it looks like we were closing the discussion at the same time. I posted my close but found myself clashing with your tag. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I find it useful to apply a {{closing}} tag before beginning to edit long AfDs, so as to prevent such conflicts.  Sandstein  20:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I probably should have done that but I wasn't expecting anyone else to be so quick off the mark! :-) -- ChrisO (talk) 21:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• I read your closing comment concerning the Aegean Macedonians article. And although it is clearly no consensus, I noticed a problematic phrase you added: "Frankly this AfD has been so distorted by nationalist POV-pushing and votestacking". I am sure that you did not add this comment in order to try to disqualify any future polling result concerning the merging of the article, but I am still preoccupied with the phrase, since votestacking per Misplaced Pages's rules consitutes inappropriate canvassing, entailing sanctions (I quote: "The greater the number of editors contacted, the more often this behavior is engaged in, and the greater the resulting disruption, the more likely it is that this behavior will result in warnings and/or sanctions.")

Therefore, and since I am sure you are fully aware of the seriousness of your accusations, according to which certain users were involved in this anti-wikipedian and officially condemned behavior, I kindly request you to:

• Expose all the evidence supporting your "votestacking" accusations.
• Name all the users involved in vote stacking.
• To initiate per WP:CANVAS all the appropriate actions against those users involved in votestacking.

Allow me, also, to ask you as the closing administrator, why I do not see the AfD archived in the article's talk page as it should be per Articles for Deletion page.

Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

• At least as a minimum sign of politeness, I deserve some kind of answer from your part. Thanks in advance!--Yannismarou (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Aegean Macedonians = Insult

Please, wipe this brutal, cruel and mad attack on Greeks. This article has to be purged and its pushers banned for life from Misplaced Pages for being irredentists and lie-spreading propagandists. Thanks.

--87.219.84.207 (talk) 14:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Aegean Macedonians

This article is a complete FYROM nationalist topic. It is phrase used no where except in Nationalist Fyrom statements and now it has its own article because some Fyromians quickly joined to vote to keep it. Does that seem fair to you, a person who uses a neutrality info box on his user page? I think you have made a mistake with your closing comments and it is very sad. Reaper7 (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Aegean Macedonians

There were several attempts to vote in this AfD well after it was closed and I reverted them. As a closing admin, maybe you could post an extra note there that people should not vote in the AfD after its closure and should take their further comments to the article's talk page. Incidentally, I agree with the comments that you made in your closing summary. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 01:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

CAMERA in the Signpost

If you get a chance, I wonder if you might take a quick look at User:Ragesoss/CAMERA, an article intended for the Misplaced Pages Signpost this week (as in, probably tonight or tomorrow), and make sure I didn't make any major mistakes or critical omissions (it's not intended to go into too much detail, though).--ragesoss (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks pretty decent to me. I've corrected one very minor formatting error. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Your oversight is needed: Manual of Style

Please direct your attention to your own MOS draft. People of questionable scholarship, motivation and on the whole, partizan editors of record, are dicking with it: . Best wishes, --Mareklug

Thank you

Thank you for the correction here: --Southkept (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No probs. I'm translating the rest of the Libération article and will update the "France 2 legal action" section at the bottom of the page. -- ChrisO (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

thanks understood. --Southkept (talk) 19:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Silence

Your silence is astonishing. Disregarding the impoliteness, I find something positive from this issue: for not answering, I conclude that you realized the obvious: Before stating in such an official way any vague or specific accusations, an editor, and most importantly an administrator, whose status entails further responsibilities, should have the appropriate evidence to back them. Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 08:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yannis, your "put up or shut up" challenge overlooks the obvious: Sometimes effects are apparent without us being able to pinpoint their causes. We obviously don't know who votestacked and exactly which votes were the result of it, neither on the one side nor on the other. That's why people do it secretly. The fact that people came to the page, from both sides, who were not previously engaged with the article, had low levels of activity and dropped by just to "vote" along predictable national lines (e.g. Kapnisma, Giourkas and 3meandEr, on the Greek side) is in itself indication enough. I find the assumption of votestacking a very obvious one to make here. And it's not as if that meant we'd have to sanction people. It's just that it's a reasonable consequence in such a situation that a closing admin should disregard predictable national-opinion-faction votes. The real point is really not whether they actually exchanged e-mails; the real issue is the predictability of opinions determined by national background. By the way, why didn't you scold Avg, who made a far shriller and far more over the top accusation ("an organised POV pushing exercise a la CAMERA"). Shouldn't you be asking him for evidence too? Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all, are you representing ChrisO? I expected some answers from him, and not from you. Secondly, I insist on what I said above: "Indications" are not enough for the expression of accusations. And ChrisO expressed vague accusations as facts; not assumptions. This is wrong and inappropriate. If both you and him think that some users are involved in votestacking, then provide names and evidence. About Avg's comment, I don't understand what you say: I did not read it (my mistake maybe), but of course I disagree and I condemn it, if he cannot prove what he says. What I said above stands for any user accuses without evidence. Nd it is even worse, FutPer, when you accuse in general and so vaguely, without even the appropriate precision! Let's ask then, both you and ChrisO and Avg to prove these accusations. I expect proofs from all of you.--Yannismarou (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't got round to replying because I had other things to do. As for the votestacking, it's what FP said above, basically. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you just threaten your fellow administrator with a topic ban or is it my idea? This has gone a bit too far, don't think that your pat in the back for the CAMERA issue gives you some sort of higher status. Also since he's reading, I don't want one other person involved in this conversation (not Yannis) to ever mention my name again and I dedicate to his ungrateful existence the following: Φοβού την εκδίκηση των υπό σου ευεργετηθέντων.-   Avg    00:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Administrators aren't exempt from Misplaced Pages's behavioral standards; if anything, they're expected to meet a higher standard. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's getting very, very tired of Greek and Macedonian editors constantly ragging on each other. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

3RR Report

I filed a report concerning your editing on Muhammad al-Durrah. IronDuke 00:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

If that's the way you want to play it, fine. You won't enjoy it. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)