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Stale?!

I don't understand your action on http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Fovean_Author_reported_by_User:Bobblehead_.28Result:_Stale._.29

You marked it "Stale", but it solely concerns edits within the last 24 hours (I posted it, User:Bobblehead modified it a bit). Were you confused by the fact that I noted some older diffs of similar behavior by User:Fovean Author in the report? Maybe I shouldn't have listed those, but the edits making up the 3RR violation all occurred today. LotLE×talk 21:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Bobblehead had actually posted a report before I did, but I hadn't noticed that fact when I made my report. Bobblehead removed my report heading, but incorporated the additional material from my report into his/hers (all of which seems fine and proper). In any case, both reports were filed in the last 8 hours, and both concern the same edits made today. LotLE×talk 21:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I, too, am confused by your action here. This, too was not stale. I did not contact you earlier as I did not wish to antagonize the editor in question, and I want to make it clear I'm not asking you to go back and block that editor. But I think one of us has a misunderstanding of 3rr reports, and if it's me I'd like to know. Thanks. IronDuke 21:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

As another admin who patrols the board, I also must disagree with this. 3-4 hours is not nearly long enough to assume an edit war is over and in no need of action. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 21:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I come off as rough, by the way. That's not my intention, as I do know from experience that patrolling that board can be a pain and is completely thankless work. Thanks for keeping it up as much as you have, and like I said, I'll see if I can help out more and thus lighten the load a bit. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 22:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Though I've been less active at 3RR lately, I used to close numerous issues there. I believe that the board has a role to play in longer-running disputes. I would tend to mark something as stale if it seems like it is no longer a live dispute, and is merely historical. When you see a case where nobody has reverted in several hours it may be not at all resolved, and may not be getting any better. It often happens that posting the issue at 3RR will cause the participants to stop temporarily. (That's not a sign that the problem is truly solved). It appears that sometimes they are looking for admin participation as a kind of 'Third Opinion' to see who is right. Of course admins usually don't have much knowledge of what's really going on but they can tell if one person is being very unreasonable. This kind of a verdict I believe is useful even if it is delayed a day or two after the original report. So a 4-hour window sounds way too short to me; I'd vote for two days. EdJohnston (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. :) --Bobblehead 17:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for revision fo 3RR status

Hi I see that you have commented on my supposed 3RR violation

If you look colsely none of the reverts pointed to are done by me. Secondly the reverts shown are incorrect. Instead of showing the reverts I had done to Eios1234 and his suspected sockpuppet Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Eios1234, User:68.110.238.158 Eios1234 has deliberately tried to mislead admins by showing revisions to Special:Contributions/59.103.26.30 which I havent done at all. This has 19 intermediate edits which is not correct. I request you to change the status of my 3RRnomination from Satle to "Dismissed"(or incorrect, whatever is the term) as the Nomination is incorrect. Thanks

PS: I am well aware of the 3RR rules--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 06:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Marksell

In case he comes recruiting again. He's reverted me 3 times in 24 hours. My edits were minor word-tweaks for neutrality, and removal of a sentence. No "large chunks." If you are inclined to intervene, please discuss with admin User_talk:Henrik first. He's making a concerted effort to define a neutral role for himself. Thanks. Life.temp (talk) 08:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Your note

Thanks for the heads up. What I was more referencing was the report I had filed, which you also marked stale even though it had only been a few hours since the last revert. I am not, however, asking you to go and block that particular editor. For me, this has mainly been about clarifying what the policy is/should be, and I think it's been a productive discussion -- thanks for your prompt and reasonable replies. IronDuke 20:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Scarian 21:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Dbachmann block

Scarian, yes Dbachmann violated the 3rr. He knows the rule, and you can probably be sure he didn't violate it on purpose. Dbachmann does a very stressful and difficult job, dealing with a large proportion of wikipedia's most troublesome tendentious POV-pushers, and for the sake of the greater wikipedia cause, should be given a break. The offense indeed merits and block but isn't worth the block; but now that it's done can you unblock him or at least change the log to time served? As you said to my stance on Enigmaman's misuse of rollback, following all the rules can be hindering so WP:IAR. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 05:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Fairness

In all fairness, I reported a user for violating the 3RR and you banned me for personal attacks. While I won't get into how I know, he is impersonating a Marine. Beyond that, he DID violate the 3RR and he continues to revert despite the fact that two users other than myself have reverted his additions. If I get banned for personal attacks and he doesn't get banned for 3RR, sock puppetry, and edit warring, what message is that sending? Could you please go to the revision history on Remington 870 and take some action. I've warned him twice and another editor warned him once. I got banned with NO warnings, I think it's only fair. Thanks for your time. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 22:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Great Hunger

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Check the diff times. I made an edit at 1301, Daniel put up the warning at 1303 so there is no question of me "ignoring warnings". I was simultaneously putting up the notice on the 3rr noticeboard and was talking on Danie's chat page at 1305. Look at user Daniel's discussion page. Wotapalaver (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, user Domer48 was also reverting another user's edits, not just mine. Please check with user Daniel what he thought was happening as you seem to have misinterpreted the events. Wotapalaver (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi, thank you for the warning note, I am always cautious not to break the rules. Still, I was engaged in this because user Boodlesthecat has been removing valid, sourced information and this behavior cannot be accepted. I have a question. User:M0RD00R was engaged in edit war with me, I have warned him about vandalism three times on his talk page, and he has removed all warnings. Is this acceptable? Greetings. Tymek (talk) 14:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I see my name is beeing mentioned again behind my back, so I have another question: edit summaries "keep your POV to yourself" , calling me vandal , edits like "I will not accept so-called advice from extreme left-wing, anti-Polish POV-pusher as you. Cheers. BTW Nigdy Wiecej is not associated with Never Again International, read a little before you write lies , "You are left-wing, aren't you? You are an anti-Polish POV pusher, aren't you? Since when writing truth has become a personal attack?" , or user space harrasement titled "A note to a vandal" , and then repeated insertion of bogus warning , is it acceptable behavior here in wiki. I've asked Tymek to stop personal attacks and incivility against me multiple times but this seems to never end. So what do You as uninvolved user think? aren't diffs provided by me in breach with WP:CIV and WP:AGF, and if they are what can be done about it. Thank's a lot. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

User Mordoor exercises unacceptable behavior, he deletes sourced information, just because it contradicts his anti-Polish POV (look here , here ] and here ) and he calls my sourced edits vandalism (sic!). He has started edit war () and then issued me a baseless warning, with a hidden threat (my patience waiting for you to modify you behavior is running low). He frequently engages in edit wars (, , , ), removing “IDONTLIKEIT” information. Creating a comprehensive encyclopedia is impossible with persons who are clearly here because they have axes to grind and who seem to savor calling other editors vandals. Hope that his actions are unacceptable to you as well. Tymek (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)