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Grammar - Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski

Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski, Major General of army of Polish kingdom, is needing immediate attention. Please correct Grammar, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.173.19 (talk • contribs) 16:09, March 31, 2008

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Today I am in Poznan. Everywhere people are flying the red-and-white Polish colours, the yellow-and-white, which I assume is the Papal flag, and the pale-blue-and-white. What is this? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably the city colours, see . - Darwinek (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I have seen that flag, but the one people are flying from their apartments is a plain pale-blue-and-white bi-colour, and not that shade of blue. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 19:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thosa are not city colours. You're just visiting Poznań during Corpus Christi feast (or in its octave). Red&white are Polish flags, yellow&white are papal flag and white&blue are marian flags Radomil talk 19:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC) P.S. Flag of Poznań is used very rare. It looks like that . You can also occasionaly see older version (coat of arms are encircled by gold line, and sheat is blue, not white) Radomil talk 19:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Dziękuję, Radomil. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

How long are you in Poznan for, Mr T? Anyone up for an impromptu (and probably extremely small) wikigathering?--Kotniski (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

It would have to be tomorrow morning. I'm on a lunch-time train to Wroclaw. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, the big Polish wikipedian gathering is just finishing in Rabka ().--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong side of Poland for us, unfortunately. Name a time and place, Mr T; I'll be there, maybe Radomil will join us?--Kotniski (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

And it will have to be conducted in English, since my Polish vocabulary has expanded from nil to about six words since I have been here. I'm staying at the Polonez. You're welcome to join me for morning tea. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I shall. Any particular time or means of recognition?--Kotniski (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

For Kotniski. I'll be in Warsaw probably in August, so we can meet. If you'd be near Silesia we can always meet in Cieszyn. - Darwinek (talk) 20:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I tend to be in Katowice more often than Warsaw, so maybe see you in Cieszyn some time.--Kotniski (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Great, let me know when you'll plan to visit Cieszyn. - Darwinek (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The cafe is on floor A (between 1 and 2). How does 10.30 suit you? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

See you tomorrow then. Others are doubtless welcome too.--Kotniski (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll be the guy in black reading a big book about World War II. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm leaving Poznań on 10:15 and I'll be back after 17:00, so not this time... Radomil talk 20:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested

Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Misplaced Pages! - Richc80 (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting list of missing Poland-related articles

Please see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Lists of basic topics/Draft/List of basic Poland topics.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Piotrus for the notice, the list is indeed interesting. If only I had more time to write. Greetings. Tymek (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Italy

Why is Italy called "Włochy" in Polish? What is the derivation of this word? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC) (now in Krakow)

suggests relation to Wallachia. It is confirmed by and . I am sure somebody else can help and translate more. PS. I will be briefly in Poznań on late Saturday/early Sunday (family trip).--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

If that's a proposal for another of the fast-becoming-traditional Poznań minigatherings, I'll be free from about midday on Sunday.--Kotniski (talk) 15:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably that's not going to work. On Sat evening if anybody's in the area, you can try hotel Royal (Marcina 71?) and ask for room 21. -- Piotrus on IP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.3.136.230 (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Italy is nowhere near Wallachia, but applying the w/g rule gives Gallachia, suggesting that the Poles (as Slavs) saw Italy as part of the Latin or Gallic world, related to the French (although the French use "Galles" to refer to Celts, not Latins). I suppose that makes sense. I still can't find out why the Czechs call Austria "Rakousko". Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is a castle on the historical borders of Austria and Czech lands, it is nowadays named Raabs an der Thaya. However, it was called back then Ratgoz and Bohemian merchants screwed up its name to Rakús or Rakous, and here we go, then they named after it surrounding lands and later on whole land. - Darwinek (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Today I leave Poland after three very enjoyable weeks and far too many pirogi. Jenkuye to all. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Also in old-Polsih simmilar name was used. Even today, Polish queen, Elisabeth of Austria, is known as "Elżbieta Rakuszanka" (or as "mother of kings") Radomil talk 15:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Pre-1994 Poland images

Lately I was busy moving some of the images from Category:Pre-1994 Poland images to Commons. It seems like the remaining 100 images left do not have any sources to support their claim that they were published in Poland in years 1926-1994, since all that had it are already moved. I would propose changing them to FairUse template and to retire PD-Polish template. --Jarekt (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Third faction in the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) article?

I have read about withdrawing Polish units in 1939 being ambushed by Ukrainian insurgents (possibly Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) does anybody know how widespread and notable those attacks were? Should we add OUN to the Soviet invasion of Poland (1939) Military Conflict Infobox? Mieciu K (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Polish witch trials

Hello! I'm interested in witch trials, and think that every country should be represented in the subject. As for Poland, it's hard to find anything about this on the net. If there is anyone here interested in the subject, I think it would be most interesting to have a Polish with trial represented here on wikipedia. Most countrys are alredy represented. I have heard about only two cases; two old women burned in 1793, and Barbara Zdunk, executed in 1811. These where mentioned on the net with very few words. Does anyone here know more about these cases? or any other? I would be grateful just for a stub or a name to google. --Aciram (talk) 11:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see my reply and bibliography here; if somebody would like to write an article - I am a bit busy now - it would be appreciated.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Culture.pl database (for linking)

Hello,

In recent days I've made a new template on polish Misplaced Pages for linking to articles published by culture.pl service (pl:szablon:culture). This is rich and interesting source on polish culture and the articles there are also available in few other languages including english, so I thought you may be interested in creating english version of the template (probably as "template:culture.pl") and using it in appropriate places. -- kocio (talk) 15:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. There are over a 100 pages linking to culture.pl from en wikipedia.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Pomerelia?

Jak to jest po polsku - bo nie ma interwiki do pl wikipedii? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Może Pomorze Gdańskie po prostu? Pomerelia seems to be equivalent to de:Pommerellen, which in turn links to pl:Pomorze Gdańskie; and at pl:Pomorze Gdańskie it gives Pommerellen as the German equivalent.--Kotniski (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Or Pomorze Wschodnie, see Eastern Pomerania. I don't have full confidence in interwikis, or unreferenced Polish Misplaced Pages articles...--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Somebody here who seems to know what he's talking about suggests it's either Pomorze Gdańskie or Prusy Królewskie. The former seems more accurate to me. Anyway, I don't think we're going to find anything better.--Kotniski (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Russia fought the Battle of Grunwald...

User Irpen claims Russia fought at the Battle of Grunwald. Last time I heard this was during Soviet occupation and I recall it was widely fabricated myth by Soviet propaganda. Can anybody look into this. Misplaced Pages should be free from Soviet propaganda in my personal view. Although it can mentioned how Soviet histography tried to present Russians as leading the battle. --Molobo (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Molobo, you should really read books on the subject rather than try to recruit users to help you "outrevert". On a side note, that such frequent use of this board is still being tolerated does not contribute to the improvement of the editing climate here but this is up to its main participants, I guess. --Irpen 00:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Irpen, you shouldn't consider every request for improvement of an article to be 'outreverting'. Please have good faith and relax from Misplaced Pages if it stresses you. I am asking fellow editors to fill out the article for vital information about Soviet propaganda. With so many great minds here interested in Soviet occupation of Poland I won't be surprised if many sources will be presented ! Best regards to you Irpen.

--Molobo (talk) 01:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I was amazed by this being a surprise and thought for a moment that verifying of this info indeed requires a visit to the library for some out of print book or something. But apparently, the most recent book specifically devoted to the subject (by Turnbull, "Tannenberg 1410: Disaster for the Teutonic Knights", ISBN 9781841765617, published by Osprey) says right on its cover:

"In June 1410 King Wladislaw Jagiello of Poland invaded the Order’s territory with a powerful allied army including all the enemies of the Teutonic Knights – Poles, Lithuanians, Russians, Bohemians, Hungarians, Tartars and Cossacks."

So much of Soviet propaganda, HTH, --Irpen 01:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A usual Western generalisation towards Ruthanians under Lithuanian vassalisation. Anyway care to explain why the text where nothing is about Novgorod was used by you to source claim that Novgorod took place in the battle ? I see nothing of the sorts in the text provided. As to Ruthanians-no doubt some were in Polish-Lithuanian army just like Hungarians and Bohemians-yet we do not name Czech Republic or Hungary as part of the battle.--Molobo (talk) 01:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Molobo, you are in no position to argue with Turnbull. But I will add a quote of another Soviet propagandist, Johann von Posilge who in 1418(!) wrote about the gathering of "Tartars, Russians, Lithuanians and Samogitians against Christendom" by Jogaila. Hope this helps. --Irpen 01:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

You are using a source from 1418 ? It's even worse then your usage of XIX century sources from Imperial Russia, i'm afraid. Of course the sources claims are complete false since Jagiełło was Catholic ruler of Catholic country. And of course I doubt dear Johann wrote in English.--Molobo (talk) 01:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

No Molobo, I am quoting the Chronicler through the modern source given above. Turnbull quotes Posilge, I simply reproduced the quote from Turnbull's book. Speaking of Novgorod, the Turnbull specifically noted the Lithuanian-Pskov-Novgorod alliance. --Irpen 01:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

So you are using secondery source and showing it as primary ? Sorry but that doesn't seem very honest thing to do. Also outdated middle ages documents shouldn't be presented as source of undisputable facts. As to claim Grunwald was won by Pskov-Novgorod alliance, that is indeed very interesting Irpen, although my history teacher in the 80s also read similar passages from soviet-dictated history books. Of course laughing together with the class(shows how weak the Soviet stronghold was in reality in occupied countries btw).--Molobo (talk) 01:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Molobo, I did not quote the source (chronicle) in the article. When I do, I always note the intermediate source, if there is any, in the references section. This was a talk page discussion. I gave the name of the secondary source, a book, above. You now argue with Posilge? Good luck. Now, I am happy to hear about your teachers. Unfortunately, to this date you refused to name books you read on the subject. I asked you before and received no answer. Anyway, this is a moot point. Removal of sourced info, spinning it in various ways and trying to recruit editors for the edit war is what concerns me most in your actions. --Irpen 01:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Removing false information, removing sources that say nothing about what they should source and asking fellow editors to improve the article is nothing to be concerned about. Using documents from 1418 as base for Misplaced Pages articles is of course something to worry about, as is usage of XIX century history books published in Imperial Russia as source for Misplaced Pages articles.--Molobo (talk) 01:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

For crying out loud, Molobo. 1418 source was not used as "base for WP articles." It was not added to the article. I quoted it on the talk to demonstrate you the sensibility of your claim about Soviet propaganda (Soviet took the time machine and wrote a Prussian Chronicle.) More, I quoted a book (a modern one) published by the most respectable publisher. More, the book sources exactly what it is used to reference. --Irpen 01:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Guys, this is not a place for this discussion. Please take it to Talk:Battle of Grunwald.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I fully agree with raising the issues one has with articles at their talks. And this is the problem of this board which persists for years. Several editors (I spare the names) come here and help nothing but inflaming matters in the articles in question. There was a box on top specifically for this purpose that was thankfully removed by Balcer. Starting the threads like this one above are not functionally different from that former box. To add an insult to an injury, no only the OP called for the article's attention, he names names.

I don't see other portal's notice boards so extensively used this way. Let's stop it here as well to help improve the editing climate. --Irpen 20:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, extra heavy harassing during those days called for a somewhat different approach, and this was far from the only board where users of various nationalities aired their grievances.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tõnu Trubetsky

You might be interested in this afd. Renata (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

If it is relevant, please list in in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Poland and related sorts.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)