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Awards'n'stuff

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I've seen your work in the receent changes log. Good job! Wardhog 22:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Yes, you do! Thatcher131 16:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

On 9 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Byron Darnton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 18:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

On 15 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nell Brinkley, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--EncycloPetey 23:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Musical help again

Recently, I redirected the page Send a Message to My Heart to the album it's on, and Bwmoll3 (talk · contribs) has since been accusing me of "vandalism" (their words, not mine) for redirecting a non-notable song to its album. (See here for more info.) I have tried to inform the user several times that not every song needs its own Misplaced Pages page. Here, I even offered what I thought was a reasonable compromise, but this user refuses to budge and has since told me that they plan to revert all my "vandalism" -- even though I've clearly informed them that I am not vandalisng, I am simply following WP:MUSIC guidelines. Since you've dealt with musical articles before, I figured you might be of help again. Please tell me what I can do with this stubborn, incivil user who insists on "owning" their articles. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 02:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The fact remains that TenPoundHammer is not contributing anything to the Misplaced Pages community by his deletions of materiel. His statement that he is 'consolodating' rings very hollow when I don't see any consolidations by him. Indeed, if you review his talk pages you'll find that I am not the only Misplaced Pages writer which he has upset, so this is not a single isolated incident. I understand the need for editors here, however an editor is one that reviews materiel and enhances it, not willy nilly liking or not liking it and tossing the work of others into the trash can, as it appears he has done routinely to myself and others. I cleaned up his mess two months ago, and hopefully he will find himself another place in the sandbox to do whatever he wants to do, and leaves relevant material alone. The edits he made the other day have been reversed and as the policy states, if you don't like others savaging your contributions then don't contribute. I've been writing professionaly longer than TenPoundHammer has existed on this earth, so I can excuse some of his arrogance to being so young. As I remmber when I was 21 and no one could tell me I was wrong about anything. However at this point the force has been restored and there is no disturbance being caused by him any longer Bwmoll3 (talk) 20:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

With all respect to you, if you look at my account you'll see that I've authored or co-authored about 1,000 wikipedia articles, and made over 20,000 edits. I'm quite accustomed to having others make changes to and enhance what I wrote. I don't consider them "my articles", although I contribute my knowledge to many of them. With regards to TenPoundHammer, I've yet to see any of his 'contributions', other than to delete articles. Perhaps if he did his consolidations and enhance articles - FIRST - then perhaps his statements may carry some validity. However given the fact that he has been less than factual in his statements to me in the past, and his use of profanity when it was totally uncalled for in the past, I find his claims of me being uncivil to him laughable. As he said to me, if I don't wish to have what I wrote edited, then I shouldn't contribute here. He should consider his own words and respect others when they change his writings as well. Now, with regards to this article in question, "Send A Message To My Heart", it seems that TenPoundHammer has made changes to the article after I restored it. I presume then that he is finished with his editing, and with that I consider this matter closed, and quite frankly, have no wish to have a dialoge with him. He can go about his buisness as I intend to go about mine, and hopefully have no more dealings with him, as for some strange reason, I haven't had any problems with any of the other editors in Misplaced Pages... Warmest regards and take care in all you do Bwmoll3 (talk) 23:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• His accusation of swearing is inaccurate. I said "freaking" once and that was it. And no, I'm not done -- I still wish for the less-notable singles to be merged to the albums in question, not deleted. And I already tried to enhance the articles as he said; I searched for sources on most of these songs and found nothing. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 23:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• By the way, I'm horrible at dispute resolution am I not? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 23:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

With respect, how many "freakings" must I have to put up with by this obnioxious individual? And how many mistatements in trying to justify his actions must be toloratd ? And also, with respect, his opinion does not follow any established guidelines in Misplaced Pages. Opinons are just that, and his editing, in my view, consitutes vandalism by him eliminating information which it seems no one else in the Misplaced Pages community finds to be objectionable. If his opinion changes, why is that valid justification for the deletion of information he is making? Bwmoll3 (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

In addition, if I don't agree with this person's opinion, as a fellow Wikipedian, I have the right to revert those chagnes, as I fully intend to do if I don't agree with them. Bwmoll3 (talk) 00:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, this statement ".... And I already tried to enhance the articles as he said; I searched for sources on most of these songs and found nothing...." is simply a justification for his... actions.. There is no attempt on his part, to do any enhancement. Also, as you've stated he works in the area of article deletion extensively, perhaps you may wish to consider moving him to another area where he can perform work without upsetting a large number of individuals. If he would explain his actions and attempt to work with other authors to address the issues he is attempting to in a manner that does not upset others, perhaps he wouldn't find so many people upset with him. However, he seems to be incapable of doing that, as the many upset indivuduals on his talk page can attest to. Bwmoll3 (talk) 00:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

How many upset individuals do you count? I only count one other user who had a little bit of a fight with me over Trace Adkins .... but I quickly resolved that one because it was much smaller and easier to deal with. There are many other users who have no problems with my edits whatsoever. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 04:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

This discussion is a good one! Songs absolutely should be standalone researchable articles. Songs are often recorded by multiple artists, are often on multiple albums, and should NOT be redirected to one artist's album. To redirect a song article to one artist’s album basically deletes all the vitals on the song (writers, other recordings, awards, and related links). Why should a hit song (certainly any charted song) be permanently tied within to one artist, when the artist's article can clearly link to the song, broadening the benefits of research? Also, the focus on what is a "notable" song and what is not "notable" should not be for one Wikipedian to decide IF the song was a chart hit in any of the major trade magazines. One particular Wikipedian (one known for massive amounts of "deletion issues") seems to have his own subjective scale of measuring what is notable, what is a hit, what articles deserve to be redirected, etc. I say let the articles (songs and artists) always remain valuable independent sources and benefit from the existence of each...LINK THEM. Songs in many cases are bigger than the artist. Most song redirects that I have seen are deserving of protest.Wikibones (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It is happening again. I have asked TenPoundHammer before to STOP destroying song articles. Here we go again. Within the last 24 hours, TenPoundHammer has again made the misguided and subjectivly independent decision that articles on two highly recognizable hit singles by the artists George Jones and Sammy Kershaw deserve to be destroyed and merged into TenPoundHammer's own articles on the artists. This is extremely questionable that TenPoundHammer continues to destroy song articles for the enhancement of his own artist articles. STOP. I have chosen to not make a quest out of reversing TenPoundHammer's mistakes, but when TenPoundHammer's mistakes effect song articles I have created, I am not going to standby, and I urge others to do the same.Wikibones (talk) 17:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Feedback

I've been working on the stub for Broadcast Journalism. I'd appreciate any feedback you have as well as any suggestions for further expansion on the article. Tmac9986 (talk) 04:34, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Palmer-Ridge‎

Hi, I noticed that you blocked the user and I thought you should know that the using of his talk page to create a page for a fictional wrestler is extremely similar to Jeff Money (talk · contribs) who was a sock of Asadaleem12@hotmail.com (talk · contribs). You can find a list of some of the user talk pages Palmer-Ridge edited that makes me suspect they are socks of his here. -- Scorpion 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

message

Hello Tony,

You may have guessed that I am new to Misplaced Pages. Please note that I never had the intention of, as you put it, vandalising Misplaced Pages. The changes that I made are correct and can be supported by articles published in the Maltese media. Some are in English and others are in Maltese. It seems to me that people like John Dalli or those who contribute about him are only contributing the positive things. I contributed both positive and negative. Where the contributed negative points can only be verified with Maltese newspaper articles I am prepared to provide a translation. You should note that in the discussion tab I challenged John Dalli or his contributors to start legal proceedings should they wish to do so.

I guess that you are in the USA. If that is the case I am sure that you have never followed Maltese politics and the political corruption that has existed for many years. So much so that Transparency International downgraded Malta to the level of Lagos and other countries in that group.

I am also prepared to provide affidavits to verify my contributions. As in the case of r past politicians that had a questionable past the whole truth should be contributed to Misplaced Pages, otherwise there is no point in providing this service.

As you seem to be the judge and jury on this dispute I hope that you will do your research well and be impartial in the process. Do not be intimidated by the fact that John Dalli is a Maltese Government Minister. I look forward to a favourable result if not I intend to dispute it. Signed Hotblackice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.96.63 (talk) 08:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Hotblackice. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Diamond Rio

Hey, just letting you know that Diamond Rio passed WP:GA. Woo-hoo. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 02:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wynonna

Do you think it would be a good idea to move Wynonna Judd back to just Wynonna, seeing as she's most commonly referred to as just Wynonna? I've taken up this issue on the talk page. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• I think I've found some pretty conclusive evidence: All of her chart singles are credited as just Wynonna, from the first week for "She Is His Only Need" onward. She's also credited as just Wynonna on all of her albums. Therefore, I feel that "only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym,...)" (per WP:NCP) applies. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 19:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• Just letting you know that I filed a request for pagemove at Wynonna. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Indef protection

Nope - was too busy with my block-hammer to wield the protection, erm, chisel...I've got them in my contribs, though, so can see that there's been no activity on any of them so far...would the autoblock on one account have caught the others? Not hugely clear on how these things work..._GB 20:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

One of the socks has since blanked (but nothing else) its talk page (User talk:UdunGood) so I've protected it and tagged it. _GB 06:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Vancouver meetup

Greetings. Plans for a Vancouver meetup are in the works here: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Vancouver/Meetup 2008. The more the merrier, so please drop by if you're interested! Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 07:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Vancouver

You are receiveing this message because your name appears on the WikiProject Vancouver Members List. The WikiProject Vancouver is currently having a roll-call; if you are still interested in participating, please visit Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Vancouver/Members and remove the asterisk (*) from your name on the list. If you are unavailable your name will be moved to the inactive list on Monday, April 28 2008. Also the WikiProject is currently discussing some proposed changes on the talk page. Thank you for your time. Mkdw 08:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

message

Hey again. If it's helpful in creating a stub for an entry on Stardoll, I found the following links that I think demonstrate notability: TechCrunch, NY Times Mag, New York Times, St. Petersburg Times, Wall Street Journal, Houston Chronicle. Some other notable facts about Stardoll: they are backed by venture capital firms Index Ventures and Sequoia Capital who have invested in other leading web 2.0 sites like Skype, Last.fm, Skype and Apple, Google, Paypal, respectively. Also, CNET awarded them a Webware 100 award last year in the entertainment category: CNET. And Alexa measures them within the top 1000 sites: Alexa. Just a few things here--happy to find more supporting materials if they're helpful. Thanks!

Wikisolipsist (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)Wikisolipsist

Note to self that it's at User:Tony Fox/Sandbox. Tony Fox (arf!) 07:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, just got your note about the page. Sorry it took a month to look over! Think it's quite balanced and seems all accurate. Thanks for taking the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisolipsist (talk • contribs) 13:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Jeff T. Kane AFD

Hey, there's something wrong with the template on the article page. It doesn't link to the AFD page, it's redlinked. I can't figure out what's wrong with it though. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind I fixed it. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 17:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, please stop posting vandalism on the main page. Thank you!!!! -150.108.232.33 (talk) 02:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Righty-o, then! ... Tony Fox (arf!) 03:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Song help again

I may need your intervention again. See here and here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 16:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Tony...thank you for your attention to the two "here" and "here" issues that TenPoundHammer refers to above. With regard to my choice of the word "destructive", TenPoundHammer's complete redirect of a HIT song article into an album article totally obliterates the song article and the researchable data within that article (the writers, links to artists who have recorded it, cummulative chart data related to the song, awards the song has won, links to websites about the song, links to references, etc). Such actions by TenPoundHammer can hardly be called "collaborative editing", and cause extreme loss of researchable data. If the word "destructive" doesn't apply, I'm not sure what else to call it. It certainly isn't "collaboratve editing" when ONE person subjectively decides what is notable, ONE person subjectively decides what articles contain reasonable references, ONE person subjectively decides to delete others' work on chart HIT song articles by redirecting them to his own articles on artists. These kinds of unilateral, wildly independent decisions on deletions must be stopped. Wikibones (talk) 12:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

You know what?

I hereby declare you my WikiMentor™. You're really an editor I can look up to. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:50, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yesssss... come to the dark side, and together we shall rule this Wiki... ...

• ahem*

I'm glad to help, Hammer. You're a solid editor already - if I can help with sorting anything out for you, just let me know. =) Tony Fox (arf!) 19:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• To quote Bill Engvall, "I snotted Coke out my nose." Anyway, I've noticed that on Talk:Send a Message to My Heart, someone else is finally agreeing with me. What do you think we should do with the articles? Should I WP:BOLDly merge/redirect the content of the lower peaking songs' articles, and maybe ask for the redirects to be protected? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 11:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That is a boldly collusive proposal TenPoundHammer. The discussion of song re-directs is for the enhancement of policy so that policy is not abused, and when you propose to another Wikipedian something like you have suggested above, it is highly questionable. I don't think anyone on Misplaced Pages has ever proposed that song re-directs should be abolished. Re-directs should be more carefully used and applied in cases where the song article in question is clearly one with unverified sources, where the song is clearly not a hit, etc. So, before you enjoin with statements like "come to the dark side, and together we shall rule this Wiki", try to understand that the discussion of song re-directs is a healthy one, the discussion is not without consideration to varied situations where you can make less subjective decisions. The discussion needs time to come to constructive conclusions. I wouldn't advise plotting anything that shortens the time needed to discuss all this.Wikibones (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• I don't see how it can get any more conclusive than "there are no sources about the song(s) in question". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 12:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

In those cases, you are applying objective evaluation, rather than subjective evaluation, and rightfully so. My argument has never been to stop you from making song re-directs in general. My argument has only been to try to get you to be more careful with re-directs, ones that you have sometimes applied to HIT song articles, articles that DO contain verifiable sources, and articles that HAVE reasonable content. You haven't always kept to reasonable standards, and seem especially reckless in cases where you have applied these song article re-directs into larger articles (on artists) that you have written or are contributing to. Perhaps this is the best place to just ask you to just know that song articles can be valuable resources, leading researchers to vast amounts of other information. All I ask is that you don't always unsheath your sword everytime you see a song article.Wikibones (talk) 13:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I must reference something you said above....Quote: "What do you think we should do with the articles? Should I WP:BOLDly merge/redirect the content of the lower peaking songs' articles, and maybe ask for the redirects to be protected?" What you have suggested here is that YOU shall decide what is a "lower peaking" song (what is a lower peaking song?), then have your decision (in the form of a Re-direct) PROTECTED. This is abusive use of the system TPH. With all the negative commentary concerning your deletion issues and redirects, your decisions should absolutely not be PROTECTED. Protection is used more against vandalism. Something seems askew with your thinking here, especially now that you are taking this behind the scenes approach to gain support. If you really want to ad credibility to your editing, allow the discussion to continue, don't assume that ALL song articles are created by unqualified people, and control your subjective thinking. This is all a good discussion, but will only benefit from a concensus of opinions.Wikibones (talk) 14:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Please stop claiming that what TPH is doing or proposing is abusive. IT IS NOT ABUSIVE. If you look at the discussion at WT:MUSIC and the comments of everyone but you and Bwmoll3 at the above talk page, the redirects are supported for those songs that are not likely to ever grow. Nobody but you and Bwmoll3 are saying that what TPH is doing is abusive or disruptive. Please stop claiming such. At present, the indication is that those songs with no reliable sources and no likely expectation to expand out of stub status should be merged and redirected. I agree that there's no need to protect the redirects, however. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• What do you think I should do then? If I redirect them, either Bwmoll3 or Wikibones is gonna call me a vandal and undo the redirects, and then the chain will keep going. Maybe if I ask politely that the redirects not be undone unless the editor actually creates a decent, well-sourced article on the individual songs in question (this also applies to Politics, Religion and Her, and a couple other songs). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 16:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That's probably the best route. One would hope that as a consensus develops indicating that the current phrasing of WP:MUSIC's section on songs is the appropriate guideline to apply, the editors would turn their efforts to developing a well-sourced article. That's really what we should be doing here in any case - finding sources and expanding where possible, and where not possible, doing something to ensure the subject is covered in some way (in this case by redirecting to the album and including what information is applicable) so we've at least got it covered. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Where do you think I should draw the line? I have a feeling that 99% of the Top 20 hits will probably contain at least one source. Also, you can probably help me merge some of the content if you want, and remove redirecting links. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd say if it's top 20 and there's at least one source discussing it, it's probably okay. Anything outside the top 20 is probably getting just a bit iffy. What I might do is do some additional Googling and see if you can find other sources for those marginal ones - if it's easy to pull another source, then do that and leave the article. You might want to bring this up at WT:MUSIC as well, see what the thoughts there are... I'd be happy to help out (though I really should be doing other things right now, and will be through the day, probably). Tony Fox (arf!) 18:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I got some redirected already; I'd do more now but I have to go to the drugstore. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Done. I kept all the Top 20s and a couple near-misses. I also kept the Vince Gill duet because I found a source for it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 19:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

New section

By the way, what's up with If My Heart Had Windows? It's still telling me that all of her other albums link to If My Heart Had Windows instead of If My Heart Had Windows (Patty Loveless album) (via the template) even though I've changed EVERY link I can find (even the template links) to point to the latter link. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 12:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Never mind, job queue. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 13:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• An interesting case where a song article needs to be standalone, not only because it was a hit, but because it relates to more than one artist. To re-direct the song into one artist or the other wouldn't be right.Wikibones (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Exactly. It was a Top Ten for two different artists, so it's very likely to have been the subject of multiple reliable sources. A #47 from 1992, however, is very unlikely to grow beyond a stub. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 16:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Meetup

Vancouver Meetup Please come to an informal gathering of Vancouver Wikipedians, Monday, May 5 at 6:30 pm. It will be at Benny's Bagels, 2505 West Broadway. We'd love to see you there, and please invite others! Watch the Vancouver Meetup page for details. This box: view • talk • edit

Best, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 06:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

User:Palmer-Bears

Since I saw that you blocked User talk:Di-Hardcore and User talk:UdunGood, take a look at User talk:Palmer-Bears. Is there somewhere where all this is listed? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

He's been blocked. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

This guy is really getting on my nerves. Check out the checkuser case - it looks like Palmer-Bears got missed in the checkuser. I'll maybe ask Thatcher to take another look with that one... yeesh. Get a Tripod page or something... Tony Fox (arf!) 01:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Collin Raye

Hmm, maybe User:Keri Nowling wasn't wrong after all... (diff) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 11:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that those dates were all over the damn place... in a case like that, I guess the best route to go is to follow the majority, but your compromise with the ref note works as well. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Starfield maintenance needed

Please comment with specific points on the article's talk page about what wikification and cleanup you would like to see, because I'm not seeing major problems. Obviously is could be improved to make it GA/FA, but I don't think the prose is horrible. The refimprove is obvious. Royalbroil 13:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Prof.Carlos Nemer

Dear Tony. This is not what seems, to me. The article was on line for more than 3 years, why this so much worry now? Misplaced Pages has no owner, as far as I understood. The attitude of mr Orange is as if the hole system belonged to him. As an extreme authoritarianism example he deleted an article of a person from the third world without leting it express its relevance. every value of western civilization was completely and unscrupulously overrun by this strange character dressed in orange suit. What´s the reason for that ? I can´t figure out. Mr Nemer studied for 31 years of his life. He deserves his place and given enopugh time I will insert the so much needed justification. Best regards, I say leave the article on the air to show the world there is somebody up to the first world. Carlos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colatina (talk • contribs) 06:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Clarifying my comment on ANI

My point was I was not trying to sound snotty so I refrained from making the joke. I hope that came through - I have no intent of being disrespectful towards you in any way. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

High Tech Redneck

I redirected High-Tech Redneck, a page on a non-notable George Jones song, to High Tech Redneck, the album. Note, however, that both the album and song title have a hyphen in them (even though the album's page is mistakenly spelled without a hyphen). Can you please move the non-hyphenated album page to the correct hyphenated title for me? Thanks. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 23:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

So you're asking for the article on the album to be moved to the spot where the redirect from the song is? I *may* be able to put that together, but I'll have to see... I'm on the road right now and don't know how much time I'll have to fiddle with it before Friday... Tony Fox (arf!) 04:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'm going for. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • 18:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I've been looking at this and I'm not entirely sure I can manage it without screwing everything up. I'm going to call for another admin to take a look and help out, and hopefully let me know the best way to manage it. I'm still kind of new at this stuff, y'know? =P Tony Fox (arf!) 06:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Upping 1 day block to indef block on User:Littlecatracho

Hi Tony,

i just noticed that the above user has likely created a sock/meatpuppet (Exact same vandalizing text) called User:Blezzy to resume his vandalism. As this sock has been indef blocked, its perhaps appropriate to do so on the main account, since its a persistent vandal? Excirial 22:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done Tony Fox (arf!) 15:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Conflict

See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/UWMSports Once again UWMSports' roommate is adding his comments on article deletion pages, as they agreed not to do. --Josh (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Where??? I haven't bothered you since. I am purposely staying clear of contact with you. I've only weighed in on AfDs pertaining to pages I have interest in. If you are involved in those so be it, but I haven't gone after your work. Just because some of them didn't go your way doesn't give you the right to go after me.-UWMSports (talk) 03:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That is still not an excuse to not follow the agreement you made. --Josh (talk) 13:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, having had the chance to look at this, UWMSports, I *did* ask you and SlipperyPete411 (your roommate, as you stated previously) to avoid "voting" on the same topics, to avoid the potential accusations of sockpuppetry that were lodged in the past. You both "voted" on the Yahoo! Fantasy Sports AFD. That's not kosher. Please be sure that you two don't do this again, otherwise there might be some issues with meatpuppetry raised that could end up in one or both of you being blocked. As for the AFD itself, it looks like the decision would have been made with or without one of the two opinions. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Please Josh, don't act like the victim here just because a page you created got merged. I also defended you recently on your Drake page. I'm trying to be fair. And I have followed my agreement. Pete posted after I did. I can't control if my roommate crosses my path once in 4 months! I will tell him to go do his own thing again, but if we ever happen to vote on the same issue again just combine our votes. Or I will make a comment in the discussion not to count one of our votes. Again, I have acknowledged from the beginning I know Pete. Therefore there is no puppertry going on here. -UWMSports (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I am not acting like a victim. I am just pointing out that a rule was broken at all. Furthermore, I did appreciate your defending me on the Drake Bulldogs article. It is also good to know what since UWM is done with classes today, this should not be an issue again until August.--Josh (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I also have reason to believe that User:FancyMustard is also a sockpuppet of UWMSports. --SportsMaster (talk) 05:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Can't we all just get along? Yeesh. I've asked them all to avoid a) editing with one another, and b) editing the same articles as you. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If you could also add in C. Avoid nominating my articles for deletion that would be appreciated. The only thing he has contributed to wikipedia has been to nominate my articles for deletion (see Special:Contributions/UWMSports). If you look at the list Robert E. Hawkins (photographer), Maxwell Show, Yahoo! Fantasy Sports, those are all articles I have created and spent a great deal of time on. Also if you would please note that those edits are basically the only things he has done since April 28th, 2008 on Misplaced Pages. I left him a message, asking that he please cease and desist from doing so. --SportsMaster (talk) 16:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Then you need to stop reporting me just because I disagree with your opinions in a AfDs. You need to understand Misplaced Pages is owned by everyone. You're articles are not yours alone. You have, understandably, major conflict of interests about your work. I was only trying to help before and for the most part I've stayed out of your work these last few months. I felt the Yahoo! Fantasy Sports page needed to be merged or deleted when it was brought up again by a DIFFERENT USER! The only article I've nominated of yours in the last 4 months is Robert E. Hawkins (photographer). Anyone can see why I brought that there, as in fact most people have voted for delete. However, I've also defended you a couple times too. I'm being fair! Also, I do not know FancyMustard. I would admit if I did as I did with SlipperyPete. Again, I apologize for that, I have instructed him to go away otherwise we both face penalties. -UWMSports (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Stardoll

I've closed the DRV as allowing recreation based on your draft. Would you like me to move the relevant revisions from your sandbox, or would you rather recreate it by copying and pasting the content? WjBscribe 16:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Waterloo Hawks

Please take note of the consensus that was come to. . Yet User:GoHuskies9904 decided to go ahead an merge it anyway. I feel this is against the consensus that was reached. So I edited the content he moved back into the correct place. Thought I should make note of this with an admin. Furthermore I feel GoHuskies9904 should be notified that this is not the appropriate action to take in those types of situations. --SportsMaster (talk) 16:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

May I ask why the all-time roster is already on the Waterloo Hawks page then a link to the all-time roster that says the exact same thing on a different page? I was being WP:BOLD as directed to be by many people in the deletion discussion. -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If you disagree with the merge, go to third opinion or ask for an request for comment. I'd personally agree with the merge; I don't see the value of having a long list of mostly red links. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

SportsMaster has been reverting my merger edits. I put a Merger proposal tag up. If you could give the opinion you gave here that would be great. I will honor whatever decision comes from this merger discussion, and I hope Master does as well. Discuss here Talk:Waterloo_Hawks_all-time_roster -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with the merger, except that you (GoHuskies9904) did NOT merge it, as a massive amount of the information was not merged into the article.--SportsMaster (talk) 22:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Look at what I initally merged the first time. Everything is there except for the lead paragraph which would be redundant to merge over since its already written!!! It's called a selective merge! --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 00:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way this discussion should be on the Waterloo talk page, not Tony Fox's talk page. -GoHuskies9904 (talk) 04:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Nationalism

Thanks for notifying Nationalism. One thing though, having a single-purpose account isn't a valid reason for blocking, as it sounds like you might be implying there. Being disruptive (as with trolling), however, is. -kotra (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

exactly how do I make a meter that shows how angry or stressed I am?

Please tell me (go to my user page) one more thing how do I make userboxes?--Spittlespat (talk) 22:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

I meant every word I've said, but in the interst of keeping the peace, I edited it. Still it doesn't stop the poo throwers from antagonizing the rest of us, if no one stands up to them.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Zippy again

I'm on my way out the door but I thought I'd pass along this: for your continued ...um, lulz? :) Gladys J Cortez 15:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

how do I fight vandalism

How do I know if someone or something is being vandalized?--Spittlespat (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Encyclopedia Dramatica see also addition

I wrote an explanation on the talk page. I should have explained it better, sorry for that. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Lol..... I just noticed that the link to your talk page is "arf!".... and the "fox" on your name... :) and then I saw the userbox :) Well, I removed the link. I was convinced that ED had organized at least one of those protests, so I thought that there was a stronger link there. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL, yeah, when there are conflicts of interest it's always best to let other people decide the removal :) --Enric Naval (talk) 02:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

edits

I done 12 edits so far! (thank you for your friendly messages!:) How many edits should I have before June 14th 20 edits or 30 edits or etc.?--Spittlespat (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Copyright on publications

Thank you Tony for the information. I'm new to all this since I just got involved with WikipediA on April 19, and now working with the creator of the Article, also a WikipediA Administrator, to make it the page with most hits in the history of this site. The Plains of Abraham are mentioned in the Discussion section of the article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Ray_Joseph_Cormier DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you.

DoDaCanaDa (talk) 17:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I wish to dispute your speedy deletion of the article on the band The Muggs. The band is notable, and I was planning to add information to the article today. Bradroenfeldt (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

When The Muggs begins putting out albums they may be notable? Although they have not been signed by a major label as of yet, they have released two very good CDs on their own. I have both of them, and play their music on my KZUM radio show, as well as my Live365 radio station.Bradroenfeldt (talk) 08:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Recrudescence

Kipling wrote a ghost story titled "The Recrudescence of Imray." I've long considered the word apt to describe the reappearance of a blocked user in a different guise. Deor (talk) 18:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

check it out!

I finaaly starting to make my userpage look cool you can check it any time you want since I will be updating it! How should I earn my first barnstar?--Spittlespat (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Clamp information?

Hi,

Just wondering if your friends were able to help with the Clamp (manga artists) information. ^_^ thanks again for the help. I haven't heard from the IP in question so I'll probably be putting the "all-female" part back by the end of the week. Dasmarinas71 (talk) 14:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Zachary Jaydon

There seems to be confusion as to the relation between Jaydon D. Paull & Zachary Jaydon. They are one in the same. A large percentage of performers/artists don't go by their legal name. Any notability no matter which of the two names they are credited under are still assertions of nobility under either or both. Many people are eliminating anything that can be user uploaded or changed. I agree with the principle of this in general, however, videos, magazine scans and the such are irrefutable proof of events or facts no matter where they came from. If there is a video of Mr. Jaydon playing with a National Rock Band, you can't say that because it was put up by a "user" that the fact doesn't remain.

While every sentence of this Wiki Article isn't strongly sourced, it doesn't mean he doesn't meat notability requirements for an article. I have scanned and uploaded quite a few of my sources at: http://zacharyjaydonwiki.blogspot.com/

Also, the following was taken directly from WP:N#MUSIC:

Criteria for composers and lyricists

For composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists:

  1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.

Jaydon has written material on several Multi-Platinum records, including *NSYNC, Craig David, Ryan Cabrera and others. These WERE songs that were included on these albums. They weren't scrapped, or obscure B-Sides. These were songs included on official releases by MAJOR artists. He obviously has notable talent if these artists are choosing to work with him. This is obviously an arguable issue, but given the success of the albums his work has been featured on, it seems at the VERY least, notable. These credits are easily verifiable here:

(, , )

The 3 above sources are all from www.ASCAP.com which is one of the most trusted sources used on Wiki for Songwriter Credit Verification.

() also shows from a VERY large, Fortune 500 companies website with information on Close To Home and confirming Mr. Jaydon's Songwriting Credits. This website would be considered reliable on any front, and also independent of the subject himself.

Skyler Morgan (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)