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Giovanni33

• Giovanni33 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's

Giovanni33 is under editing restrictions, such that he cannot revert more than once a week, and must discuss all reversions first. Despite this he has resumed a slow motion edit war on the New antisemitism page, removing an image he dislikes, and modifying the lead to a version he prefers (describing it as a "controversial concept"). As far as I can tell, he hasn't discussed his changes to the wording of the lead in weeks, yet he continues to revert to his version. He was blocked for this on January 8, and has responded by slowing down the pace of his reverts. Reverts include:

• January 8, 2008
• May 28, 2008
• June 9, 2008
• June 21, 2008

As his block log shows, he has perhaps the most lengthy block log of any non-banned editor in Misplaced Pages history, returning from his most recent 72 hour block just this month. I'm requesting a longer block at this point, as the shorter ones don't seem to make an impression, or just lead him to game his restrictions. Jayjg 03:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the article and its talk page, it appears that Giovanni has made any justification to his last two reverts to the lead since last month. I have blocked him for a week, and made note of this at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Giovanni33-John Smith's. Khoikhoi 03:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

Lapsed Pacifist

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user blocked for 48 hrs by Shell

• Lapsed Pacifist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Lapsed Pacifist

Per this case LP is "banned indefinitely from articles which relate to the conflict in Northern Ireland. The ban is intended to include any page in Misplaced Pages which Lapsed Pacifist engages in a dispute related in any way to the conflict in Northern Ireland", due to his POV pushing. He was informed here that this did cover POV editing relating to earlier conflicts between Ireland and Britain such as the Irish War of Independence. Yesterday he made this unsourced and contentious edit. BigDunc 12:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

He added that material the same day. When he was reverted and then reverted himself it definitely and unambiguously put the page in the restricted pages - "The ban is intended to include any page in Misplaced Pages which Lapsed Pacifist engages in a dispute related in any way to the conflict in Northern Ireland." Thinking. GRBerry 13:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this is a rather blatent violation of the spirit of remedy, while the article itself is not about the war, Lapsed Pacifist clearly wrote about the conflict and then reverted when the content was removed. I've blocked him for 48 hours. Shell 18:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The Great Hunger

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acted on by Ryan

• Wotapalaver (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Colin4C (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Great Irish Famine

Per remedy #1 from this case - All content reversions on this page must be discussed on the article talk page.

After much misrepresentation of sources and/or original research originally added in this edit by Colin4C, today Colin4C sourced a sentence of previously disputed sourcing with this edit. After reading the source, I saw that it clearly did not source the text that was in the sentence in question. I explained this fully with this edit to the talk page, saying exactly what the source now cited in the aticle actually said, in comparison to the actual text of the article, and invited discussion regarding any possible problems with the wording. I then edited the article, to make the text accurately reflect what the source said, and not original research or other unsourced opinion.

Without any discussion on the talk page, Wotapalaver reverted me, thereby adding original research or other unsourced opinion in the process. In the edit summary (which is obviously not the same as discussion on the article talk page) he stated "Since she died in 1977 it's incorrect to quote her as if reflecting today's view", which was repeated with his first post to the talk page regarding the revert two hours later. However, this is nonsensical as the sentence Wotapalver was reverting to was "The famine caused a sense of lasting bitterness by the Irish towards the British government, whom many blamed — then and now — for the starvation of so many people", which contains the phrase "then and now" which obviously presents the view as today's view. Therefore the only possible justification presented for the revert is now null and void.

Despite this Colin4C reverted the edit, thereby adding original research or other unsourced opinion in the process, and has yet to make any attempt to discuss his edit on the talk page.

My original edit was not a revert to any previous version, it was accurately citing a source, unlike the original research laden version reverted to without discussion by Colin4C and Wotapalver. Thanks. Domer48 (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Notified the three article mentors of this thread. GRBerry 04:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Domer48 inserted text which used an author who has been dead since 1977 and whose book was written in 1962 or so, as a source to describe TODAY'S feeling about the famine. As a source for today she's either 31 or ~45 years out-of-date. The edit he made says clearly "She says that it is the terrible years of “the Great Hunger” which are remembered and she suggests only just beginning to be forgiven." Remember, this woman has been dead since 1977 and wrote those words in the early 1960's so this is factually wrong. She doesn't say anything anymore. There was no date attached, nor any caveat about how this quote as as contemporary as quoting Eden about modern British Foreign Policy. Domer48 is engaged in a campaign of disruption on the article and has been using various tactics to try to own the article. Wotapalaver (talk) 08:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

This seems to me to be the ultimate storm in the teacup. The Woodham-Smith source supports the original text that the famine caused a sense of lasting bitterness by the Irish towards the British Government. There is no great original research mystery about this or any other controversy. I just thought that Domer's reformulation was very clumsy. Compare:

• Original: "The famine caused a sense of lasting bitterness by the Irish towards the British government, whom many blamed — then and now — for the starvation of so many people".
• The Domer Version: "According to Cecil Woodham-Smith the famine left hatred behind between both Ireland and England because of the memory of what was done and endured. She says that it is the terrible years of “the Great Hunger” which are remembered and she suggests only just beginning to be forgiven."

IMHO Domer's version makes it appear that Woodham-Smith was just expressing her personal opinion on the matter, whereas in reality the dire effect of the Famine on Anglo-Irish relationships is common knowledge. Also Domer's second sentence has a very contorted syntax and is hardly grammatical at all. Anyway, I leave it up to the sage judgement of other editors as to which version they prefer. Colin4C (talk) 09:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

One other thing..the reversion WAS discussed on the article talk page. So far my last comment on the talk page is the last comment there. So far Domer48, nor anyone else, has managed to say WHY he should quote long dead authors as if they were alive today. Wotapalaver (talk) 09:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you can explain how the same author can be used to source a sentence containing the phrase "then and now", which is in the original research laden version you and Colin4C reverted to without discussion? Domer48 (talk) 12:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Domer48 is - again - forum shopping since he doesn't get his way on the article page itself. The previous text can easily be sourced from multiple sources because it's describing facts that are very well known and entirely uncontroversial (and not even Domer48 is even disputing the facts). If additional references is the concern then there's no problem and Domer48 could provide them himself if he had any interested in improving the article. Unfortunately, it isn't what Domer48 is worried about. He's worried about his ownership of the article being "challenged". His tactics to enforce his ownership have ranged from blanking, reverting, insulting, to now putting in edits which are (inaccurate) block quotes from authors he likes. Wotapalaver (talk) 12:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

As the diffs show, you made no attempt to discuss the revert before making it and your first post on the talk page was two hours later. Colin4C has not made any post on the talk page to discuss his revert. Domer48 (talk) 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Per remedy #1 from this case - All content reversions on this page must be discussed on the article talk page. It is being discussed on the talk page. So far no good argument has been presented against it. Wotapalaver (talk) 14:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Whatever else comes of this, Domer48 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) has been blocked by me - for the lesser of 31 hours or until he apologises - for repeatedly referring to another editor as a liar. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree with GRBerry, the article mentors should act on this. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The article mentors have already acted on this - Domer has been blocked by Angus and I've endorsed it on his talk page. Ryan Postlethwaite 17:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Biruitorul

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I find little merit in Moldopodo's claims. However, I find much in Biruitorul's against Moldopodo. Couple this with Neil's warning to Moldopodo only two days ago that if his disruption continues, he'll be indef blocked, I have little choice but to indef block Moldopodo, so I've done so....next day, changed to a month to comply with Digwuren.

— Rlevse • Talk • 20:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Biruitorul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren

User:Biruitorul, being completely aware of the Digwuren general restriction accuses me of bad faith with no justification, for the mere usage of my right as any user of comment and vote. I have perfectly justified my position: the sources are not credible and highly biaised, the article does not fulfil basic requirements of Misplaced Pages for notability. Besides a gross lie is being put through by those who insist on using UNHCR as an argument, as it has explicitely declined responsibility for the referred to source and the document itself is not even the result of the UNCHR's work, but of one of the unknown organisations.

Also please take note of this comment of User:Biruitorul, which not only is irrelevant on the discussion where it was placed, but also is located far beyond decency and civility.--Moldopodo 18:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, have a look at the difference (namely sources presented after line 70) supported bu User:Gutza, and User:Biruitorul, as well as User:Bogdangiusca - there are about 30 sources provides for what I writeDiscussion on the talk page of article Moldova on the usage of the term "cession" in the Bucharest Treaty 1812, therefore it's a lie to say I provide unsourced edits, or to say I push through POV of any kind. Another talk page - another almost 15 sources provided by me - History of Moldavian language, further - more: Moldavian language - attempts by some users to interpret a scholarly scientifical writing of Dimitrie Cantemir, trying to say what was never said in his work. Here is the edit, which User:Bogdangiusca described as "tedious adding of tags everywhere"; please, admins, and be convinced, that here again, the said does not correspond to the reality, therefore it is another lie, consequently uncivil. On the article Moldovans, please check the sources I have provided, just as on the article Moldavia, where I requested move to the Principality of Moldavia, as these articles are separated on other Wikipedias, and it is the question of a mere logic reasoning: are we writing articles on Misplaced Pages on a specific subject or do we write one article to cover three different topics? As for redirect Moldavia - it should be directed to Moldova (as it is also the case on other Wikipedias) - which is the only political formation which always kept this name, being both subject of international law or a territorial unit inside of a bigger body. In fact the present article Moldavia was merged from Principality of Moldavia with an article apparently called "Moldavia as Romanian region" (please, bear in mind whether this is or is not an original research, as Romanian legislation does not provide, AFAIK, for any specific status, nor does it set any legal framework of any kind for any region with a name Moldavia, nor are Moldavians living in Romania recognised as Moldavians, for example during banal censuses) and some other article (honestly I don't remember, but I am sure experienced admins may check). I have also initiated discussion on the move of Moldovans to Moldavians as the article Moldovans describes Moldavian ethnicity and not Moldovan citizenship, so it's a complete confusion of terms. As for disruptive editing of User:Biruitorul - on the article Cinema of Moldavia - you may se it here (I apologoze, I think I said it was User:Oneil earlier by mistake). The article is clearly about the cinema in Moldavia - Moldavian SSR. Please see another move of - again with no proper justification, nor any comment left on the talk page. (also, please check the talk pages' histories and of both articles, some of the diffs I am unable to find anymore, as I guess they disappeared with repetitve deleting and moving articles by User:Biruitorul - without any constructive contribution to the contents of the article. I hope this gives you a clearer picture (message to admins).--Moldopodo 20:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)--Moldopodo 13:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

This "report" is utterly absurd and disruptive, coming from a user on his final warning. It's a shame I even have to defend myself from such charges, but I'll do it nonetheless.

I accused Moldpodo of bad faith for this remark: "The main goal of this invention is to deny the existence of everything that relates to Moldavian state, ethnicity, nation, culture, history and language". Actually, the good-faith interpretation is simply that the article in question (Moldovenism) is to inform readers about a concept, using the reliable sources where it appears, and this reading of anti-Moldovan conspiracies in articles that he happens not to like is rather tiresome, and indeed manifests a failure to assume good faith.

The next comment is, as noted by an administrator, "no in the least bit incivil or indecent".

The next long rant isn't entirely about me, but let me just defend the egregious charges related to Cinema of Moldova. Moldopdo created a Cinema of Moldavia article (in line with his attempts to conflate Moldavia with Moldova), which I moved to Cinema of Moldova, in line with most every other country's "cinema of..." article. He then split the article into Cinema of Moldova and Cinema of the Moldavian SSR, after I asked him not to content-fork, and it remains split as of now.

My own record is clean here; it is Moldopodo who has filled the ANI with tendentious threads in a desperate effort to deflect attention from his own malfeasance, which, I remind enforcers, has already earned him two Digwuren blocks and a final warning. Biruitorul 14:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Biruitorul, please, refrain from irrelevancies and uncivilities in my regard: "This "report" is utterly absurd and disruptive". As for "final warning" it has been dismissed by other uninvolved users and no answers were given to me for the not corresponding to the given qualification diffs first of all, secondly, what's the relevance of this here? It's just like on arbitrator's noticeboard, where you and other Romanian users started posting irrelevancies. Please provide diffs for your accusations.: your constant attempts to confuse the issue have proved disruptive. . Please, also provide a diff how you are: just trying to maintain some order and consistency? Is it by moving pages, independently from my numerous requests to stop your disruption as I was writing the article on the Cinema of Moldavian SSR (I have provided diffs above), or may be by changing all adjectives "Moldavian" to "Moldovan" (diffs provided as well above), whereas the period described is Moldavian SSR and the term "Moldovan" was never even applied to this period of Moldavian history, or by pushing through amateur propagandistic writings of an unknown "personality", whose statements are contradicted by more than 30 sources (at least the ones I 've found), or may be by adding this to the article on the actual state of cinema in Moldavia? Do you consider all of this a constructive non-disruptive contribution to Misplaced Pages?--Moldopodo 15:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Biruitorul, I have provided above detailed diffs, where your conduct is disruptive and have explained the reasons. Please, provide a diff (or rather diffS, as it seems there are plenty of them according to you) for your following statement: "and it is your constant moves, splits and other measures that are disruptive". May be you could also provide a diff where you explained all of this on a talk page? As a matter of fact, you didn't explain anything as you were moving the articles around, leaving all the relevant talk pages on Moldavian cinema - blank, be it Cinema of the Moldavian SSR or Cinema of Moldova, the articles to which you have never contributed constructively, except moving them around. As a matter of fact, User:Biruuitorul has never added any contents to these articles, except after I warned him of this fact, he added a phrase that there is basically no cinema in Moldova today and sourced it to.... Lonely Planet.--Moldopodo 07:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, User:Biruitorul please do not deviate from the subject. The source is not reliable, nor verifiable as it is a mere personal invention of Gribincea, based on references that themselves do not mention the notion of "moldovenism". The UNCHR has explicitedly stated it has no responsibility whatsoever for this writing. The following statements by User:Biruitorul: "and the UNHCR doesn't generally pick unreliable individuals to do their research", "although questioning the validity of the Gribincea paper certainly seems tendentious as well" - are his personal interpretation. User:Biruitorul, please refrain from personal subjective interpretation. Using bad faith argument against a user (me) who is merely stating that the source you provided is unreliable, (and subsequently proved it on this occasion as well as on the occasion of controversial King's writings with 30 sources saying the contrary) seems to me to be bad faith of User:Biruitorul himself.--Moldopodo 15:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Reviewing administrators, please analyse this recent comment of User:Biruitorul in light of my request to apply Digwuren general restriction against User:Biruitorul, as well as in light of Misplaced Pages policies regarding personal attacks.--Moldopodo 15:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Er, where's the beef? This absurd "report" should be laughed right off the page! Biruitorul 15:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
• Reviewing adminsitrators, please also take in consideration, that my first request for the enforcement of the Digwuren general restriction against User:Biruitorul appeared by my error on the administrators' noticeboard, as I really thought that was the place where it had its place. I do not think that when User:Biruitorul tries to make a some kind of argument even out of this is a relevant helpful constructive contribution to this discussion.--Moldopodo 15:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - check out two recent WP:ANI discussions here and here. There's a lot of bad blood between these guys but most if not all of the problem seems to lie with the massively disruptive activities of Moldopodo. andy (talk) 16:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Vassyana trying to referee

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not an AE issue, and even if it was, were applied to both sides in long running problematic area

While I have respect for Vassyana as a person, I think this administrator has imposed a rather ridiculous set of arbitrary standards on me that will make this noticeboard light up. in particular he has tried to claim that I inappropriately edited psychic and spoon bending here: . Both of these articles are on my watch list and I have edited Psychokinesis in the past with respect to spoon bending and I have edited . My work on Misplaced Pages is to make sure that people do not violate WP:FRINGE and WP:NPOV. I am not stalking Martinphi, but this kind of absurd monitoring is unreasonable since I work in a variety of areas. Note also that Vassyana did not comment on the actual edits (as to whether they were justified by out content guidelines) but seems unusually obsessed with who was making the edits rather than what the edits actually are. This is unreasonable. I strenuously object and will continue to raise the issue until someone explains to me some justification for not making edits simply based on who has edited an article previously.

Thank you.

ScienceApologist (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

This set of restrictions applies equally to ScienceApologist and Martinphi. Please see: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Spoon bending and psychic. Vassyana (talk) 18:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have directed Vassyana to no longer warn me on my talk page. Pursuant to the note I left at the restriction page, I do not monitor which individual is making a specific diff. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No accepting intervention by an uninvolved admin that is enforcing an arbCom restriction is unacceptable and in itself a violation of the imposed restrictions. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not an ArbCom restriction. See: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User:MartinPhi. Vassyana (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. Refactored my comment. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

closed. see comment at top. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)