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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Thought I might as well be the first to welcome you, seeing as we are already in contact at another page. Feel free to contact me for any problems etc... Regards = ) --Cameron (t|p|c) 18:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Descendants of Queen Victoria

I removed them as a result of this CfD. Wizardman 23:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Righto, thanks!PrinceOfCanada (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

EIIR's Royal Collection

I think it is fine as it is at the moment. But you would need a source to revert me again = )--Cameron (T|C) 11:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Issue titles

My rationale is that they're looking for the person's name, not tile. With all the titles in, it tends to crowd the infobox, too. Therequiembellishere (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

German Titles of House of Windsor

Thank you for your answer:) Do you also know what those titles were?Inge (talk) 07:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Republicanism & Monarchy

I find editing & discussing the monarchy related articles, is a good test of my NPOV approach to Misplaced Pages (I'm even a member of Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Commonwealth realms). PS- Monarchist editors G2bambino & Cameron have also shown surprise over my participation on these articles. GoodDay (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. GoodDay (talk) 12:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I still don't quite understand how one could spend such an amount of time editing articles about a subject one loathes. But I admire GoodDay all the same = ). His NPOV work is amazing! And I always remember not to refer to him as a colonial = )...--Cameron (T|C) 17:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hahahah. You can't refer to me as a colonial either.. I have dual citizenship! PrinceOfCanada (talk) 18:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Both citizenships make you subjects of Elizabeth II = ). Looks like you can't get out of your alleigance either way = ). --Cameron (T|C) 13:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, but I'm a staunch Monarchist, so I'm happy to be her subject twice over. Frankly, I'd be happier if she were able to be a stronger monarch along the lines of the Princes of Liechtenstein. I think she'd do well with more power, and so would Charles (though of course he's probably not going to be on the throne for very long, poor chap). PrinceOfCanada (talk) 13:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite true; the longer Elizabeth reigns? the shorter Charles will reign (and William). GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Based on her mother, Elizabeth will probably be around another 15 years or so. At which point Charles is in his late 70's. Part of me hopes that he will find some way to simply not acceded to the throne (as opposed to abdication), so that Wills can come to the throne at a reasonable age and have a good long reign--that length has been one of E's great strengths. But then, you're a republican.. ;) PrinceOfCanada (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Aww, no King Charles? That would never do! --Cameron (T|C) 13:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think 'Charles' is a bit of a problematic name ;) And yes, it's his right to accede to the throne, of course, but it might be better for the country for him to find a way to bow out. PrinceOfCanada (talk) 13:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

He could use George VII in honour of his grandfather and greatgrandfather = ). He could chose any name he likes for that matter. But it is usually a good idea to use one of one's given names. --Cameron (T|C) 17:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the (unsubstantiated) rumour. Philip would be the other obvious choice, nice homage to his dad etc. PrinceOfCanada (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

What a lovely idea! Philip I!! I hadn't actually thought of that one!It's a wonderful idea. Everyone loves Prince Philip, what with his not-so-politically-correct comments!--Cameron (T|C) 08:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I quite like Philip. He really does think about the future, and leaving a legacy for others to build on. PrinceOfCanada (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't hold your breaths, Charlie & Phil aren't that close (atleast that's what I've heard). GoodDay (talk) 14:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it seems clear there's a certain amount of respect--I think it's obvious that Charles got a lot of his environmental ideas from Philip. PrinceOfCanada (talk) 16:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I would have said they are very close actually. Welcome aboard the Wikiproject by the way Your Highness = ). --Cameron (T|C) 17:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for protection

Based on your edit that followed the request, I'm assuming you meant to request Beatrix of the Netherlands be protected. The request you left asked for protection on your userpage. --Onorem♠Dil 20:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. I can't fulfill the request myself, but I changed it for you. --Onorem♠Dil 20:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XV: June 11, 2008 Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Misplaced Pages weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around. WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled. Is Pride POV? We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring? Harvey Milk and Jim Jones For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer... Queer Studies is offensive! The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors. Lambda Literary Awards What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put ] around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th . The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website . Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate. This month's Wiki stars This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!) Compulsive hoarding of templates Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page. The Violet Quill and magazines Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help. A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation. Mom's nagging for Pride Month It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver. Fresh faces to brighten our pages Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy , Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult, Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003. It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Misplaced Pages. In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon." We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.

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Discussion on the expansion of Wikiproject:Commonwealth realms

There is a discussion going on here about a possible expansion of Wikiproject Commonwealth realms to incorporate all the British Empire topics! Please take the time to comment = ). --Cameron (T|C) 18:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Order of Canada

If I can give my honest opinion, the OC that the Queen wears is displayed in the infobox at a higher resolution. Sure, it might not be of the same rank, but does show the bow element. Plus, looking from a copyright point of view, we can easily say "The Queen is the sovereign of the Order" without having to display an image to that effect that is under fair use (and on shaky ground). I honestly believe we should remove the image of the Queen from the article. The focus of the article should be on the Order, not who happens to be leading it. User:Zscout370 21:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Commonwealth realms

Welcome to the WikiProject, from a fellow member. GoodDay (talk) 22:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

HRH The Princess Royal

Hello Prince. Thanks for the pointer on linking. It was an honest mistake on my part. I appreciate your feedback and will be making the amendment right away. Best, ForCarers

Not a problem. Your references, however, would be much more useful if they linked to the documents in question. You will also need to provide NPOV references to all the informtation that looks like it was copied from the organization's website. And.. it's usually best to sign your posts (on talk pages) by typing ~~~~, which gives you this: PrinceOfCanada (talk) 13:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Please be careful of the three-revert rule

Hi there. I know you are trying to uphold the style guidelines at Prince William of Wales, and I believe you are in the right (I need to check some stuff first, but it appears you are), but regardless, be careful of WP:3RR. You could find yourself hit with a short block for edit-warring even if you are right. So be careful :) --Jaysweet (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right.. I'm waiting on the semiprotect ruling before reverting again. Prince of Canada 15:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) On further investiation, I don't think it's as cut-and-dry as I initially thought... I commented on the Talk page. Hopefully we can get this sorted out!  :) --Jaysweet (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Comma in Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother

I see you don't accept either of my sources, yet you don't provide a single source yourself. What sources would you consider reliable in this context? Timeineurope (talk) 14:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

As I understand the convention, it's incumbent upon whoever is making the change to provide solid citations for the change. Debrett's, Burke's, and Gotha would be excellent sources to start with--royal.gov is very unreliable; it has even referred to Diana as Princess Diana if memory serves. Prince of Canada 15:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No, that's not the convention. It's all about which version is better supported by sources. If you don't provide a source that trumps The Times Style and Usage Guide (which is a reliable source whether or not it's right about the spelling of Bowes Lyon), the comma will have to go. Timeineurope (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure how you can consider a source unequivocally reliable when it has already been proven wrong; moreover, the Times Style Guide is about textual and visual homogeneity, not necessarily fact. I deal with branding and style guides in my work, and trust me, they are not about factual presentation. As for convention, I really am quite certain that if a change is being made, it's incumbent upon the person making the change to prove that it is correct, or more correct than the current version. So.. please provide a citation that isn't tainted. Thank you. Prince of Canada 15:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Burke's appears to take the comma, btw. Prince of Canada 16:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

You're dead wrong about convention. Misplaced Pages is all about what can be sourced. The Times Style and Usage Guide is a reliable source per WP:RS; whether you see it as 'tainted' is of no significance whatsoever. Since a reliable source had been provided for the spelling without a comma and no source at all had been provided for the spelling with a comma, the article had to use the spelling without a comma.

So Burke's "appears to take the comma"? Find out if it actually does and provide a link.

Timeineurope (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Ugggggh. Yes, and you must provide a good source if you are going to make a change, one that is more reliable than what is there, which is the convention I was referring to. I notice that you completely ignored my other points. As for Burke's: 1 and 2. So uh.. yeah. We'll be using the comma, as the specific guide to royalty and peerage should supersede a stylistic manual that is less concerned with fact. Prince of Canada 18:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)