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| Could people here have a look at ] and confirm whether I've got the "Israeli national LGBT organisation" bit correct? Thanks. Also, any Hebrew speakers could check whether I've got the "union" or "organisation" bit right for the Hebrew definition. ] (]) 11:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC) | Could people here have a look at ] and confirm whether I've got the "Israeli national LGBT organisation" bit correct? Thanks. Also, any Hebrew speakers could check whether I've got the "union" or "organisation" bit right for the Hebrew definition. ] (]) 11:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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| Shankbone in his has admitted to having mixed alcohol with an ], and getting very sick. One of the rare side effects of the drug is priapism -- maybe he was looking to kill two birds? Personally I think he had simply been fallen-down drunk, but either way that's no way to live. Can one of you go check on him, or send somebody to? --] (]) 21:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Wider variation
- NOTE: To reply you must do so here, this talk is mirrored onto many talkpages and is designed to be concurrent with all.
Is there an article that has a wider variation that is not exclusively for Lesbians, Gays, Bi(s), and Transgenders. I am looking for a word or article that is on the lines of "everything not heterosexual" and would include Asexuality, Autosexuality, Pansexuality, Paraphilia, Pomosexual, Zoophilia and, like i said, anything not "straight". I ask because i feel that people who aren't "straight" are usually grouped into that one social group and stereotype, one common stereotype (for men) that is prevalent is femininity (Effeminacy) if they are not "straight". --Cooljuno411 (talk) 06:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Queer/Queer Studies would probably be what you're looking for. though I doubt there is a single catch all phrase that means everything not heterosexual.The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Queer means non-heteronormative political striving. It does not necessarily refer to what you are looking for. I don't think there would be such a thing within the realm of language, to be honest. Diachresis.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I concur. I do not believe there will be a phrase meaning everything not heterosexual except - non-heterosexual. For the sake of usage, LGBT is much better than queer in reflecting the homo/bi/trans/inter community. goodone (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Queer means non-heteronormative political striving. It does not necessarily refer to what you are looking for. I don't think there would be such a thing within the realm of language, to be honest. Diachresis.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- We could take a page from Orwell and let 'everything not straight' be known henceforth as "unstraight". Who's with me? Obietom (talk) 16:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
- There is non-heterosexuals. Also, I must admit I'm curious to see where this goes. Banjeboi 02:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
- Can I say that if you're aiming for a word defining a group by who they're not, non-heterosexuals would be a fair choice -- it communicates exactly what you intend: a catch-all "non-typical sexuality" type. (My intuition says most people, straight or otherwise, won't bat an eyelash at the word's "... perceived heteronormativity.") hithereimdan (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Rod McKuen?
Here's something Rod McKuen posted to his own website in June of 2004:
Am I gay? Let me put it this way, Collectively I spend more hours brushing my teeth than having sex so I refuse to define my life in sexual terms. I've been to bed with women and men and in most cases enjoyed the experience with either sex immensely. Does that make me bi-sexual? Nope. Heterosexual? Not exclusively. Homosexual? Certainly not by my definition.
I am sexual by nature and I continue to fall in love with people and with any luck human beings of both sexes will now and again be drawn to me. I can't imagine choosing one sex over the other, that's just too limiting. I can't even honestly say I have a preference. I'm attracted to different people for different reasons.
I do identify with the Gay Rights struggle, to me that battle is about nothing more or less than human rights. I marched in the 50's and 60's to protest the treatment of Blacks in this country and I'm proud of the fact that I broke the color barrier in South Africa by being the first artist to successfully demand integrated seating at my concerts. I am a die-hard feminist and will continue to speak out for women's rights as long as they are threatened. These, of course, are all social issues and have nothing to do with my sex life (although admittedly I've met some pretty hot people of both sexes on the picket line.)
Although wishing to respect McKuen's preferred self-labeling (or avoidance of same) per WP:BLP, it seems clear that he is perfectly comfortable being identified as part of LGBT-ness in general. Add him to the project?
Dybryd (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
- I definitely would and I suggest quoting him. Something like, although McKuen has "been to bed with women and men and in most cases enjoyed the experience with either sex immensely" he also stated on his website he considers himself simply sexual and "refuse to define my life in sexual terms", like bisexual. Banjeboi 23:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Gay bathhouse GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Gay bathhouse and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article. Please consider helping address the multiple points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have also reviewed Gender which falls under this project and have raised a few issues on the talk page for the article to remain a GA. Please consider helping to address these issues. If you have questions, please contact me on my talk page. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Deletion page
I was wondering if there might be interest in creating a deletion page similar to what the Wikiproject Video Games does here. I have noticed a fair amount of LGBT related articles coming up for deletion over time and it might be a good idea to have a place to house the discussions of them. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Yes please! Banjeboi 15:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I started it up here. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Great work! Is there a way to add prodded articles? I just saved Transgender Law Center yesterday but were it not on my watchlist not sure if it would have been noticed. Banjeboi 16:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- We could add it to the bottom of the page as another section. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'm unable to add a TfD, why? :-( It's this one. Snif snif, help? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I can not figure it out either. It might be best to add {{tfdlinks|Same-sex marriage footer}} instead and have the reviewer click on the "edit" link to join the discussion. The way templates are organized and kept are different from other deletion discussions. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I was looking around for an answer to this question and found User:Ceyockey/Notifying WikiProjects of Deletion Proposals. It is a good list of other WikiProjects that use deletion notifications. --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Looking through the list I found Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender. Is what I set up a duplication? --Pinkkeith (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'm unable to add a TfD, why? :-( It's this one. Snif snif, help? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not a duplicate as the same articles don't seems to be in both. It may be good to tie the two to each other. Also if you have the interest it would be nice to post an update to this list with each new article, item listed in case we forget to check up on that page. Banjeboi 16:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I put it on the navigation template for the project. --Pinkkeith (talk) 21:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not a duplicate as the same articles don't seems to be in both. It may be good to tie the two to each other. Also if you have the interest it would be nice to post an update to this list with each new article, item listed in case we forget to check up on that page. Banjeboi 16:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
question
does anybody know of a website that takes all the common arguments against homo/bisexuality and rebuts them in as much detail as possible? because I'm always repeating the same old stuff to people (and would prefer not to have to make such a website myself!) :)
p.s. sorry to post this here when its not related to wiki stuff. I didn't know where else to ask —Preceding unsigned comment added by P.MML (talk • contribs) 20:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Can't find the original but this is one of my favorites. Banjeboi 22:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
12 Reasons why gay people should not be allowed to marry!
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if Gay marriage is allowed, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
10. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to things like cars or longer life-spans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.
- Not knowing what information you're actually looking for you may also have luck with Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Banjeboi 21:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Two things
I'm writing July's newsletter here. Let me know if you have any input.
As I was adding our new members to the welcome list, it occurred to me that we should be taking advantage of these fresh sides of meat fine people. Since it looks like we get maybe one person adding their name to the member list a week, what if we had someone add a welcome message to their talk pages and direct them to where we need assistance? Basically be an usher, delivering this (or something prettier, if you're good at graphics).
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The WikiProject LGBT Studies welcome wagon 
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| Welcome to our Wikiproject! Here are the places you can help out / people you can contact for help. Please join our talk page for the discussion. Other messages go here... |
Thoughts?
Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 20:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely. Please mention the new deletion page that was set up and because of it I've noticed that Satyrbot is likely no longer adding LGBT tags to articles so there are articles being added about GLBT subjects but never flagged to this project. Banjeboi 22:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
- I have the member's list on my watchlist, and would happily welcome new members. Can you perhaps help me to create a little message directing people to the areas most critically in need of help? Glad to be back collaborating! Jeffpw (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'd assume that most new members are also new to Misplaced Pages, and its policies and codes. Though code isn't too difficult to learn, policy sometimes is. Up in the box at the top of the page are links to articles that need wikification, cleanup, expert attention, etc. Right now, my best suggestion would be to link to those lists, with a disclaimer that if they're interested in something else they can ask established members of the group how to do what they want to do. Thanks for volunteering, by the way! --Moni3 (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- That's a fun, stress-free project, and I'll start on it with each new member!!!! Jeffpw (talk) 17:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- I'd assume that most new members are also new to Misplaced Pages, and its policies and codes. Though code isn't too difficult to learn, policy sometimes is. Up in the box at the top of the page are links to articles that need wikification, cleanup, expert attention, etc. Right now, my best suggestion would be to link to those lists, with a disclaimer that if they're interested in something else they can ask established members of the group how to do what they want to do. Thanks for volunteering, by the way! --Moni3 (talk) 13:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- I have the member's list on my watchlist, and would happily welcome new members. Can you perhaps help me to create a little message directing people to the areas most critically in need of help? Glad to be back collaborating! Jeffpw (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Note that we've had Template:LGBT Welcome, which produces
Hi, WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies, welcome to WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies! We are a community of Misplaced Pages editors dedicated to improving articles regarding lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex, aromantic, asexual and agender people. LGBTQ+ studies covers people, culture, history, rights, and related subjects concerning sexual identity and gender identity - this covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated!
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for ages, and often one member or another would take it upon him/herself to put it on the pages of new members. I guess we've fallen down on that lately. Aleta 03:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Opera queen
Please see Opera queen. They have a point, though the Koestenbaum book theorises the construct.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
New navigation box for LGBT/gay slang
heads up for other LGBT topics editors... there is a new navbox live at Template:LGBT-slang for English LGBT slang terms (with links at the bottom to Japanese and Singapore terms). If you would like to check it out and make any corrections or additions, it is at Template:LGBT-slang. The other day I added copy-to-wiktionary tags to a few slang entries (Acault, BGM (slang), Bean queen, Fag stag, Opera queen, Potato Queen) that had not advanced past the definition stage in a year or more. If anyone wants to try to salvage or merge them, the links are still in the navbox (just uncomment them out and remove the copy-to-wiktionary template from the article itself). peace.. --User0529 (talk) 07:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for doing this! Banjeboi 09:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- no prob..... i didn't want to tell them it was your idea in the earlier post in case you didn't like it or the mob attacked me lol. someone removed the copy-to-wiktionary tag from bean queen. Do you guys think it would be a good idea to just merge all of the ____ queen articles into the main article for queen? (some of them haven't advanced past the stub definition phase in over a year) --User0529 (talk) 11:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
NAMBLA
So I'm looking at the NAMBLA page and on the talkpage is this project's header - and it states that:
Explanation for inclusion in WikiProject LGBT studies: The WikiProject banner on this article does not imply acceptance or endorsement of NAMBLA as an organization or the beliefs and practices of NAMBLA members by the LGBT WikiProject.
Only problem is - the first bit doesn't go with the second part - the first part promises an explanation, the second part is actually a disclaimer - those are not the same thing. --Allemandtando (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know why that article is tagged for this project, other than the fact that the organization has been ostracized from LGBT coalitions farther than any other group of people. I don't have a problem with that. You are correct that that is disclaimer and not an explanation. I don't know what the explanation would be, and I would be up for de-tagging it. Others whose memories are longer than mine will probably remember why it was tagged. It may have caused a big discussion here. I don't know. --Moni3 (talk) 19:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- Any homophobe with an axe to grind will be certain to namedrop NAMBLA at some point. Simply for that reason, I think this project has an interest in keeping an eye on the article to make sure it remains factually based. However, the shiny rainbow sticker at the top of the page does look, at first glance, a little like a Big Gay Seal of Approval -- perhaps the article could be monitored in partnership with WP:PAW rather than as part of the main project. Dybryd (talk) 20:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- OK - but what's it to be - is the project going to provide a disclaimer or an explanation or both? --Allemandtando (talk) 20:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- The disclaimer was a compromise made after many well meaning but not too critically thinking people kept removing the LGBT tag. It was decidedd that the tag should remain, but that something weasily should be added so everybody would know that the LGBT Project was shocked and horrified that we are forced to include this obviously related article in our scope of coverage. Any reader of the article can see the obvious reasons why the tag needs to be on the article (though not the explanation). In various archives here and on that talk page you can see the debate and the consensus to have the tag remain. I'll try to reword it today.....<sigh> must we get into another discussion about NAMBLA and how it actually is part of LGBT history? It was tiresome the firs time, and I am certain that particular horse is now decomposed. No need to beat the poor thing any more. Jeffpw (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- OK - but what's it to be - is the project going to provide a disclaimer or an explanation or both? --Allemandtando (talk) 20:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed my point - I'm not bothered about the tag, I'm bothered about accuracy - that tag is incorrect. So does someone want to change the tag so it reads disclaimer? --Allemandtando (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- And you seem to have missed the part of my post where I said I would reword it. I hope it now meets with your approval. Jeffpw (talk) 10:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed my point - I'm not bothered about the tag, I'm bothered about accuracy - that tag is incorrect. So does someone want to change the tag so it reads disclaimer? --Allemandtando (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- Someone's dealt with it. Banjeboi 09:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
- The changes take care of the problem so I think the problem is solved? --Allemandtando (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
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Israeli LBGT organisation
Could people here have a look at Aguda and confirm whether I've got the "Israeli national LGBT organisation" bit correct? Thanks. Also, any Hebrew speakers could check whether I've got the "union" or "organisation" bit right for the Hebrew definition. Carcharoth (talk) 11:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Is at least one of you a real friend to David Shankbone?
Shankbone in his blog has admitted to having mixed alcohol with an anti-depressant, and getting very sick. One of the rare side effects of the drug is priapism -- maybe he was looking to kill two birds? Personally I think he had simply been fallen-down drunk, but either way that's no way to live. Can one of you go check on him, or send somebody to? --72.76.0.104 (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
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